That is the reason why we shouldn't send our children to renown universities. My friend's son got into Davis among others, he is a very smart man but when Davis demanded him to be vaccinated my friend put her foot on and convinced his son not to go there, he is smart he doesn't need Davis, Davis need him! He ended up going to an UNI in Montana and he is so happy there, so stress free, he is in engineering and he says that really nobody talks about all these issues neither known a transgender in his area, they focus in curriculum and learn the most they can and with the internet what the university can't provide he has access anyway. "prestigious" universities are good for networking, that's all, their reputation is on the pit after all the last scandals, but who really wants to network with people without ethics or principles who would look the other way when crimes are committed for their own gain in life? Who wants to hung up with criminals? I know people for money would shut up their consciences but eventually that will catch up with them, with people like that the whole society loses and we have the problems we have. Such a shame! I have a friend who payed $27k for a spine surgery in Switzerland, a super specialized with a super specialist back doctor. He was ten days in the hospital one room and he payed $8600 euros, he is Italian not Swiss, it would be cheaper for a Swiss (IDK) but still we pay medical here like we are all millionaires. Another friend had to sell the house to pay for the cancer treatment in the Andersen, yes she is healthy now but medicine is a business in this country, should never be because when it is a business what does happen is that some diseases will have prominence or be provoked (I know of a case at Kaiser where the doctor dismissed the blood in the stool of the patient for six months), also not all patients will be treated equal because they are not profitable. It should be illegal that doctors received pays off from Pharmaceutical companies or anything because that compromise their integrity, doctors should have freedom to prescribed whatever they considered good for the patients and doctors also should have the freedom to look for the origin of the disease but we know by now and confirmed by the pandemic, doctors only do "palliative care" they not heal, only "manage the condition". For instance, diabetes 2 is very manageable and cure with diet but here doctors give you medicine so you can eat your donuts and your fried chicken, and people think because doctors let people think that that those pills will not have any side effects but you are eating a lot of sugar and then you counter act with a pill, that stress your body bc you are sending contradictory signs to your body and that ill take a tool on it and you will never be cure but dependent on a pill.
My ASD 22 year old son went to his university health care center to get back in his Rx for severe anxiety and immediately began hormone treatment. It was a PA, not even a doctor! He's also seeing a "therapist" on campus. We're several months in, and he refuses to discuss it and won't let me help him find a doctor off campus. Universities are destroying our most vulnerable young adults.
Thank you for writing the letter and sending it. I’m being ghosted by my child’s high school, which I think is actually better than that response!
When the school was asked a bunch of questions about the GSA club and their secret events and meeting times. The GSA club sponsor is no longer the club sponsor.
Let’s keep writing, keep asking questions and speaking out!
"I'm sure" is one of those phrases used by people to let you know that they refuse to deal in reality.
"You're sure? How are you sure? Because you say so? That's not how the world works."
It's avoidant.
It's trivializing.
It's rude.
It says nothing more than, "I am the only one of us whose opinion matters."
In a university president--someone whose job it is to teach young people how to pay attention to facts and logic and to open their minds to others' opinions--it is absolutely unacceptable.
That president is hired by a Board of Directors. Every one of the members of that Board should hear from you. They won't know this president is behaving irresponsibly if you don't tell them.
It seems there's just no way to get through to these closed minded people !! Academia has now become a sick joke and they should all be defunded until they return to reality. There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see. God Bless all the families affected by this abhorrent cult. Prayers 🙏🙏🙏
Our children are not safe anywhere. I am so worried about my 5-year-old granddaughter who just started Kindergarten. She wants to be a veterinarian...but she needs to complete the 12-years of secondary schooling first. Then onto a university. I hope and pray her schooling, studies, and training will go well and that she will not be harmed in any way. All of us sent our children to school thinking it was safe - I lived in Colorado when the tragic Columbine High School shootings happened. My daughter was in 3rd grade then, and there are still school shootings happening today over 25 years later! This trans ideology is far more frightening to me now because the bad guys could be teachers, counselors, coaches, and principles who think that the trans-cult lies are the truth. Keeping secrets from parents? Unheard of, but it continues to happen. I do not know when this war on our children will end, but it has already taken too many lives, too many prisoners, and has wounded way too many innocent minds and bodies. The reply you received from that university president was lame and insensitive. You deserved to be treated with respect, your concerns acknowledged, and your feelings validated. None of that happened, which means the same treatment will happen to the students that attend that university, or any university as long as the "T" ideology is believed.
University health systems are often staffed by poorly trained physicians. Years ago (1971 or so), I had a problem with a recurring skin fungal infection, Tinea versicolora or multiflora. I knew very well what the fungus was, and what an OTC treatment was (a sulfur shampoo, in the Selsun product line). When I saw a physician at the Student Health Service (to get a prescription version), he told me that I was not bathing enough, and I should go and bathe. I was, to this jerk, nothing but a dirty hippie (my hair was long). I was completely offended, and annoyed. I should have reported him but did not.
Wow, that was quite the heartless reply from the university president. That stance is probably still the same but WOW. Makes me wonder what else they are heartless about.
Yes, what you get back is dismissive, insulting--with references to your child with wrong sex pronouns. Do universities have form letters to send parents distraught over a recently hatched trans identity, a medicalized identity?
I did not state that "transitioning is undoubtedly the correct course for some". Not sure if the author believes in this statement or thought it necessary to sound like a reasonable, nuanced, liberal parent.
Sadly, we all learn that there is no reasoning with people or institutions that embrace trans Newspeak.
Meaning that some patients will feel it was the right decision for them. Do you think every single person taking hormones or undergoing gender surgery regrets choosing this route?
Of course, there are people happy with their persona reinvention--along with extreme cosmetic body modifications.
And naturally, they would be just fine without taking this road.
Most of us in western countries have many choices we can take in life. Some are much more consequential than others. Deciding on a trans identity (with medicalization) is highly consequential. It would be difficult to turn back, to admit an error. Because of this, no one can know the true rate of trans regret.
All I'm saying is that gender dysphoria is real. It always has been. There are a few people who may benefit from medical intervention. They are a MINORITY of individuals who think they might be in the wrong body. The others will outgrow their dysphoria over time. Many are victims of social contagion.
I don't care if someone thinks they "benefit" from f'ing up their body. There are people who think they "benefit" from cutting off their limbs, so that someone else has to care for them for the rest of their lives.
I don't care what selfish people want. Deliberately making yourself a burden on others--as do those who take free elective cosmetic meds and surgeries paid for by insurance and taxpayers, as well as those who think they need to "benefit" by violating the single-sex spaces of others--is wrong.
I don't know the full history, but there have been surgeries performed on the gender dysphoric throughout the last century. "Sex reassignment," as it was called, is not a new idea. I do take your point about cutting off healthy limbs on a mentally disturbed patient. Of course gender surgeries are controversial, as they should be. We should not be using the euphemistic term "gender affirming care," and absolutely not encouraging patients to think they'll die by suicide without it. We shouldn't be celebrating trans identities and thinking they're just as normal as so-called cisgendered people. They aren't normal, because they're suffering from disturbing mental delusions. But of course that's obvious to us. Why trans ideology stubbornly persists, I can't understand.
But my point is, that gender dysphoria is a condition that has afflicted people over the centuries, so you can't attribute every case to the gender ideology of today. And unless you've been in their shoes, who are you to judge whether they feel better after surgically altering their bodies? Should insurance cover these surgeries? That's a different question, and again, I see your point. But it is still a fact that some people do not regret medical transition, and we should be honest about that.
Yes. Every single person regrets. Reality does not care about feelings. Do you think a gender groomer cares about the feelings of your child? Do you think the doctor that slices off your child’s body parts cares about the feelings of your child?
“I call heaven and earth to witness against you today that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Choose life so that you and your descendants may live". Deuteronomy 30:19.
Trans mutilation makes it impossible that your descendents may live, because there will be no descendents. To choose trans is to choose death.
Universities are the worst. It is where this was all hatched.
When the PITT substack started everyone seemed to think "other folks are this trans thing and somehow need medicalization but not my kid". Or, maybe they were being "nuanced". The understanding has evolved/become much more clear, I've noticed. I especially appreciated the recent "No One is Trans, Stop the Harm" post.
Our family been in this mess since 4thwavenow.com days so it was a little hard to read comments at first but most have come around to a reality based understanding, rather than assuming that The Narrative^TM must be correct for the most part/everybody else.
The gender studies programs are at the heart of this nightmare. For parents paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to have their kids indoctrinated in Judith Butler’s circular magic thinking their should be grounds to sue these universities. If they cannot teach facts in basic biology and human development they are failing students and society and should suffer the consequences. I lost a kid and her three friends ( no group think there) to the great women's studies program at a prestigious university. Three sets of healthy breasts disposed of along with lots of testosterone leaving three sets of devastated families.
this type of group contagion is not supposed to happen according to WPATH and Gender Affirming Care protocols. The ROGD hypothesis of social contagion is reviled by GAC. ... yet your example, which you witnessed first hand, demonstrates social contagion
I sent one of these letters (actually 3) to my son’s PhD professors and the director of his program. I was ignored, told on more than one occasion that my concerns would be ignored. I also mentioned to them that there were multiple lawsuits coming and they were not immune. I stated that if anything happened to my kid, I would be one of the parents suing (that was after receiving dismissive emails back).
Excellent, Joy! Just as they bull-rushed (football term) unsuspecting parents to the point where the parents believed they had to affirm or at least accept their child's transition, you knock them back on THEIR heels with a threat to sue. My greatest wish were that the individuals (and not just the institutions) involved were ALL legally and financially liable. That would be when the rubber really meets the road. Hopefully some day. You mention dismissive e-mails that they sent you. More than anything, to me that shows how insufferably arrogant they are, and how strongly they believe their ideology is ascendent and will inevitably wash away any resistance. They're on the "right side of history", after all.
Well the harm so far is estrangement and physical self-harm. He is more indoctrinated and less able to see any other perspective than the trans perspective. I don’t yet know the outcome, but the personality shift from the time he entered the college until he left his program (not sure the reason as they won’t tell me anything) was significant. He went from a loving, connected family member to a totalitarian bully. I am concerned that once he wakes up suicide is a possibility. I say this as he was a previously compassionate, gifted, person interested in “seeking to understand” always with a “win-win” attitude to a “you’d better sign your initials to 23 points of agreement with me or you don’t deserve to speak with me and our relationship is over”. Literally that’s what he expected of me. I consider that to be a bully. This makes me feel that once he opens his eyes to how this cult has infiltrated his mind, he could be vulnerable to even more self-harm than the ideology itself is doing to him.
Well the harm so far is estrangement and physical self-harm. He is more indoctrinated and less able to see any other perspective than the trans perspective. I don’t yet know the outcome, but the personality shift from the time he entered the college until he left his program (not sure the reason as they won’t tell me anything) was significant. He went from a loving, connected family member to a totalitarian bully. I am concerned that once he wakes up suicide is a possibility. I say this as he was a previously compassionate, gifted, person interested in “seeking to understand” always with a “win-win” attitude to a “you’d better sign your initials to 23 points of agreement with me or you don’t deserve to speak with me and our relationship is over”. Literally that’s what he expected of me. I consider that to be a bully. This makes me feel that once he opens his eyes to how this cult has infiltrated his mind, he could be vulnerable to even more self-harm than the ideology itself is doing to him.
I’m so sorry and I have no answers. My non-binary daughter is just as sucked into the cult. I have no idea how it will turn out. I’m hoping for all of us that society will wake up soon.
That is the reason why we shouldn't send our children to renown universities. My friend's son got into Davis among others, he is a very smart man but when Davis demanded him to be vaccinated my friend put her foot on and convinced his son not to go there, he is smart he doesn't need Davis, Davis need him! He ended up going to an UNI in Montana and he is so happy there, so stress free, he is in engineering and he says that really nobody talks about all these issues neither known a transgender in his area, they focus in curriculum and learn the most they can and with the internet what the university can't provide he has access anyway. "prestigious" universities are good for networking, that's all, their reputation is on the pit after all the last scandals, but who really wants to network with people without ethics or principles who would look the other way when crimes are committed for their own gain in life? Who wants to hung up with criminals? I know people for money would shut up their consciences but eventually that will catch up with them, with people like that the whole society loses and we have the problems we have. Such a shame! I have a friend who payed $27k for a spine surgery in Switzerland, a super specialized with a super specialist back doctor. He was ten days in the hospital one room and he payed $8600 euros, he is Italian not Swiss, it would be cheaper for a Swiss (IDK) but still we pay medical here like we are all millionaires. Another friend had to sell the house to pay for the cancer treatment in the Andersen, yes she is healthy now but medicine is a business in this country, should never be because when it is a business what does happen is that some diseases will have prominence or be provoked (I know of a case at Kaiser where the doctor dismissed the blood in the stool of the patient for six months), also not all patients will be treated equal because they are not profitable. It should be illegal that doctors received pays off from Pharmaceutical companies or anything because that compromise their integrity, doctors should have freedom to prescribed whatever they considered good for the patients and doctors also should have the freedom to look for the origin of the disease but we know by now and confirmed by the pandemic, doctors only do "palliative care" they not heal, only "manage the condition". For instance, diabetes 2 is very manageable and cure with diet but here doctors give you medicine so you can eat your donuts and your fried chicken, and people think because doctors let people think that that those pills will not have any side effects but you are eating a lot of sugar and then you counter act with a pill, that stress your body bc you are sending contradictory signs to your body and that ill take a tool on it and you will never be cure but dependent on a pill.
My ASD 22 year old son went to his university health care center to get back in his Rx for severe anxiety and immediately began hormone treatment. It was a PA, not even a doctor! He's also seeing a "therapist" on campus. We're several months in, and he refuses to discuss it and won't let me help him find a doctor off campus. Universities are destroying our most vulnerable young adults.
Thank you for writing the letter and sending it. I’m being ghosted by my child’s high school, which I think is actually better than that response!
When the school was asked a bunch of questions about the GSA club and their secret events and meeting times. The GSA club sponsor is no longer the club sponsor.
Let’s keep writing, keep asking questions and speaking out!
PARENTS CANNOT BE CANCELLED.
"I'm sure" is one of those phrases used by people to let you know that they refuse to deal in reality.
"You're sure? How are you sure? Because you say so? That's not how the world works."
It's avoidant.
It's trivializing.
It's rude.
It says nothing more than, "I am the only one of us whose opinion matters."
In a university president--someone whose job it is to teach young people how to pay attention to facts and logic and to open their minds to others' opinions--it is absolutely unacceptable.
That president is hired by a Board of Directors. Every one of the members of that Board should hear from you. They won't know this president is behaving irresponsibly if you don't tell them.
It seems there's just no way to get through to these closed minded people !! Academia has now become a sick joke and they should all be defunded until they return to reality. There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see. God Bless all the families affected by this abhorrent cult. Prayers 🙏🙏🙏
Our children are not safe anywhere. I am so worried about my 5-year-old granddaughter who just started Kindergarten. She wants to be a veterinarian...but she needs to complete the 12-years of secondary schooling first. Then onto a university. I hope and pray her schooling, studies, and training will go well and that she will not be harmed in any way. All of us sent our children to school thinking it was safe - I lived in Colorado when the tragic Columbine High School shootings happened. My daughter was in 3rd grade then, and there are still school shootings happening today over 25 years later! This trans ideology is far more frightening to me now because the bad guys could be teachers, counselors, coaches, and principles who think that the trans-cult lies are the truth. Keeping secrets from parents? Unheard of, but it continues to happen. I do not know when this war on our children will end, but it has already taken too many lives, too many prisoners, and has wounded way too many innocent minds and bodies. The reply you received from that university president was lame and insensitive. You deserved to be treated with respect, your concerns acknowledged, and your feelings validated. None of that happened, which means the same treatment will happen to the students that attend that university, or any university as long as the "T" ideology is believed.
University health systems are often staffed by poorly trained physicians. Years ago (1971 or so), I had a problem with a recurring skin fungal infection, Tinea versicolora or multiflora. I knew very well what the fungus was, and what an OTC treatment was (a sulfur shampoo, in the Selsun product line). When I saw a physician at the Student Health Service (to get a prescription version), he told me that I was not bathing enough, and I should go and bathe. I was, to this jerk, nothing but a dirty hippie (my hair was long). I was completely offended, and annoyed. I should have reported him but did not.
Wow, that was quite the heartless reply from the university president. That stance is probably still the same but WOW. Makes me wonder what else they are heartless about.
Umm…medical transitioning should NEVER be done by a University health center meant to treat colds, strep throat and stds…..
And, yet it is. They are only now beginning to dial back for the minors, with a green light for 19+.
I sent one of those letters long ago.
Yes, what you get back is dismissive, insulting--with references to your child with wrong sex pronouns. Do universities have form letters to send parents distraught over a recently hatched trans identity, a medicalized identity?
I did not state that "transitioning is undoubtedly the correct course for some". Not sure if the author believes in this statement or thought it necessary to sound like a reasonable, nuanced, liberal parent.
Sadly, we all learn that there is no reasoning with people or institutions that embrace trans Newspeak.
“Undoubtably” the correct course????!!??!!!???
Oops, edited!
Meaning that some patients will feel it was the right decision for them. Do you think every single person taking hormones or undergoing gender surgery regrets choosing this route?
My boring standard response to this argument:
Of course, there are people happy with their persona reinvention--along with extreme cosmetic body modifications.
And naturally, they would be just fine without taking this road.
Most of us in western countries have many choices we can take in life. Some are much more consequential than others. Deciding on a trans identity (with medicalization) is highly consequential. It would be difficult to turn back, to admit an error. Because of this, no one can know the true rate of trans regret.
All I'm saying is that gender dysphoria is real. It always has been. There are a few people who may benefit from medical intervention. They are a MINORITY of individuals who think they might be in the wrong body. The others will outgrow their dysphoria over time. Many are victims of social contagion.
I don't care if someone thinks they "benefit" from f'ing up their body. There are people who think they "benefit" from cutting off their limbs, so that someone else has to care for them for the rest of their lives.
I don't care what selfish people want. Deliberately making yourself a burden on others--as do those who take free elective cosmetic meds and surgeries paid for by insurance and taxpayers, as well as those who think they need to "benefit" by violating the single-sex spaces of others--is wrong.
And society should not be putting up with it.
I don't know the full history, but there have been surgeries performed on the gender dysphoric throughout the last century. "Sex reassignment," as it was called, is not a new idea. I do take your point about cutting off healthy limbs on a mentally disturbed patient. Of course gender surgeries are controversial, as they should be. We should not be using the euphemistic term "gender affirming care," and absolutely not encouraging patients to think they'll die by suicide without it. We shouldn't be celebrating trans identities and thinking they're just as normal as so-called cisgendered people. They aren't normal, because they're suffering from disturbing mental delusions. But of course that's obvious to us. Why trans ideology stubbornly persists, I can't understand.
But my point is, that gender dysphoria is a condition that has afflicted people over the centuries, so you can't attribute every case to the gender ideology of today. And unless you've been in their shoes, who are you to judge whether they feel better after surgically altering their bodies? Should insurance cover these surgeries? That's a different question, and again, I see your point. But it is still a fact that some people do not regret medical transition, and we should be honest about that.
Yes. Every single person regrets. Reality does not care about feelings. Do you think a gender groomer cares about the feelings of your child? Do you think the doctor that slices off your child’s body parts cares about the feelings of your child?
“I call heaven and earth to witness against you today that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Choose life so that you and your descendants may live". Deuteronomy 30:19.
Trans mutilation makes it impossible that your descendents may live, because there will be no descendents. To choose trans is to choose death.
Universities are the worst. It is where this was all hatched.
When the PITT substack started everyone seemed to think "other folks are this trans thing and somehow need medicalization but not my kid". Or, maybe they were being "nuanced". The understanding has evolved/become much more clear, I've noticed. I especially appreciated the recent "No One is Trans, Stop the Harm" post.
Our family been in this mess since 4thwavenow.com days so it was a little hard to read comments at first but most have come around to a reality based understanding, rather than assuming that The Narrative^TM must be correct for the most part/everybody else.
The gender studies programs are at the heart of this nightmare. For parents paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to have their kids indoctrinated in Judith Butler’s circular magic thinking their should be grounds to sue these universities. If they cannot teach facts in basic biology and human development they are failing students and society and should suffer the consequences. I lost a kid and her three friends ( no group think there) to the great women's studies program at a prestigious university. Three sets of healthy breasts disposed of along with lots of testosterone leaving three sets of devastated families.
maybe you can write this up and submit it to the FTC --
https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/pdf/GAC-RFI-FINAL.pdf?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
this type of group contagion is not supposed to happen according to WPATH and Gender Affirming Care protocols. The ROGD hypothesis of social contagion is reviled by GAC. ... yet your example, which you witnessed first hand, demonstrates social contagion
Amen
Close them down if they do not change.
I sent one of these letters (actually 3) to my son’s PhD professors and the director of his program. I was ignored, told on more than one occasion that my concerns would be ignored. I also mentioned to them that there were multiple lawsuits coming and they were not immune. I stated that if anything happened to my kid, I would be one of the parents suing (that was after receiving dismissive emails back).
Excellent, Joy! Just as they bull-rushed (football term) unsuspecting parents to the point where the parents believed they had to affirm or at least accept their child's transition, you knock them back on THEIR heels with a threat to sue. My greatest wish were that the individuals (and not just the institutions) involved were ALL legally and financially liable. That would be when the rubber really meets the road. Hopefully some day. You mention dismissive e-mails that they sent you. More than anything, to me that shows how insufferably arrogant they are, and how strongly they believe their ideology is ascendent and will inevitably wash away any resistance. They're on the "right side of history", after all.
Joy I hope you don’t mind my asking but has any harm come to your son and if so did you sue? I’m interested
Hello Mrip,
Well the harm so far is estrangement and physical self-harm. He is more indoctrinated and less able to see any other perspective than the trans perspective. I don’t yet know the outcome, but the personality shift from the time he entered the college until he left his program (not sure the reason as they won’t tell me anything) was significant. He went from a loving, connected family member to a totalitarian bully. I am concerned that once he wakes up suicide is a possibility. I say this as he was a previously compassionate, gifted, person interested in “seeking to understand” always with a “win-win” attitude to a “you’d better sign your initials to 23 points of agreement with me or you don’t deserve to speak with me and our relationship is over”. Literally that’s what he expected of me. I consider that to be a bully. This makes me feel that once he opens his eyes to how this cult has infiltrated his mind, he could be vulnerable to even more self-harm than the ideology itself is doing to him.
Hello Mrip,
Well the harm so far is estrangement and physical self-harm. He is more indoctrinated and less able to see any other perspective than the trans perspective. I don’t yet know the outcome, but the personality shift from the time he entered the college until he left his program (not sure the reason as they won’t tell me anything) was significant. He went from a loving, connected family member to a totalitarian bully. I am concerned that once he wakes up suicide is a possibility. I say this as he was a previously compassionate, gifted, person interested in “seeking to understand” always with a “win-win” attitude to a “you’d better sign your initials to 23 points of agreement with me or you don’t deserve to speak with me and our relationship is over”. Literally that’s what he expected of me. I consider that to be a bully. This makes me feel that once he opens his eyes to how this cult has infiltrated his mind, he could be vulnerable to even more self-harm than the ideology itself is doing to him.
I’m so sorry and I have no answers. My non-binary daughter is just as sucked into the cult. I have no idea how it will turn out. I’m hoping for all of us that society will wake up soon.
I will name one - Brown University !