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Notorious P.A.T.'s avatar

"I believe there is a debate as to whether or not it exists."

No doubt about it! I haven't seen a shred of proof that there really is such a thing.

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Anon's avatar

Language…what a joke

This post is reminding me of a book I borrowed from our public library when I was doing a unit for my preschoolers about the human body. It was titled ‘All about vulvas and vaginas’ Not a single she, her, mother, sister, daughter blah blah reference to sex or gender, because PEOPLE can have these body parts. Silly me, will have to re educate myself & start reading books for kiddies. Oh & it tells you all the different ways you can have a baby…surrogacy, wow, so many options to be aware of at the age of 5

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Sad About Our World's avatar

That’s absolutely ridiculous and it is indoctrination of children under 5(preschool, right) I hope you didn’t read it to them. I honestly do not believe a teacher should be teaching children about their sexual parts. Their parents should. If you had a Muslim in your class, I’m guessing the parents would be outraged. I know I would not be happy

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Anon's avatar

I did not read it to them. I also discovered its partner book by the same author ’All about Penises’ & that 7 copies of each were available. It prompted a back & forth discussion via email about how books are selected for purchase at the library with our generous taxes. It was general in nature until I started naming books & the subject of gender. Then the responses came to an abrupt end. Silence….

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A-diet-stress-model-of-lgbt's avatar

"What is gender precisely?"I think that it is the outward expression of female or male sex, where female is the individual that has the ovum, while male, the individual that has the sperm. Any difference in behavior, appearance that is due to sex, is part of gender.

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Marianne's avatar

They are pretending to be the opposite sex, so why can’t they keep pretending until they get tired of it, or something better comes along? Why the altering of their bodies which doesn’t even make it easier to “pass”. They don’t want to pass because if they really fooled others they would never be misgendered and miss out on all the fun and games that comes from that.

Whatever happened to androgyny? I knew people back in the 1970’s who were androgynous and it worked for them. I lost touch with them so I don’t know how they turned out, but it should be an option now. It was all clothes and hair, no body parts were involved.

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EyesOpen's avatar

It is not kind to lie to kids that they can be a different sex than they were born. How did lying to kids become so acceptable and encouraged?

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Hippiesq's avatar

First, let's be clear. Nothing about this movement to "protect" "trans kids" is kind. It is one of the cruelest things I have personally witnessed in my life. Of course, it is not nearly as cruel as the Holocaust, but I was not there, and it is, arguably less cruel than slavery or its aftermath, but I was not there for those things either. In my lifetime, thankfully not having been witness to murder or rape - which certainly happens, but isn't endorsed by all of the major institutions of society or our "friends" and neighbors - the most unkind thing that I have witnessed [in my own home as my 18-year-old daughter embarks on a course of chemical assaults on her body and pretends she is male, binding her breasts and lying every day] is the encouragement of vulnerable young people by all of society to chemically and surgically alter their perfectly healthy bodies under the gaslighting guise of allowing these confused young people to be their "true, authentic selves" (because, apparently, pretending you are not the sex you are and harming your body to appear the opposite sex is somehow authentic and true), the tearing apart of families, the demonization of everyone who questions any of this, and the placement of male-bodied individuals in female-only spaces and sports.

That having been said, let's discuss "gender affirming care." "Gender" has many different meanings. It could simply mean one's biological sex and has often been used that way. However, lately, it has more often been used to refer to the psycho-social aspects of one's behaviors and preferences as they relate to "femininity" and "masculinity," which are terms that also vary - over time and across societies, but are the stereotypical sex-related preferences and behaviors, as far as we understand them at a given time and place. Thus, the preference for the color pink, dresses, make-up, and gently playing with Barbie dolls are currently examples of what is considered feminine. Crew-cuts, playing football, and rough-housing, are currently examples of what is considered masculine. We all know that males can wear pink and make-up and play with dolls, and females can have crew-cuts, play football and roughhouse, but "gender" can relate to those qualities.

When we speak of "gender-affirming care," however, we are using "gender" as an odd mix of biological sex (male or female) and the psycho-social aspects of femininity and masculinity. "Gender-affirming care" means:

(1) - the social choices - name changes toward typically male or female names, references to someone as a boy or girl, man or woman, placing a person with biological males or females, appearance changes toward typically male or female clothing and haircuts (above-noted stereotypes) - all of which are meant to make someone feel like they belong in a given sex category regardless of their biological reality;

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(2) - the medical interventions that cause someone to appear as if they are the opposite sex (synthetic hormones, and surgeries such as double mastectomies, castration, vaginoplasties and phalloplasties, etc.).

The assumption is that someone who "feels like a female" or "feels like a male" needs the world to "affirm" those feelings by facilitating changes to the person's appearance and referring to and treating the person as if they are actually the sex that they "feel like."

Of course, the big question is: how can one "feel like a female" or "feel like a male" when every single female and male in the world, now or ever, has experienced or is experiencing being female or male differently? What does it possibly mean to think you are something you are not, other than either delusional thinking, or having false beliefs about it being better or worse to experience life as one or the other sex (or a combination of the two)? Why are we "affirming" these thoughts and beliefs? Is that caring or doing harm?

Yeah, sorry, that was too much, but I couldn't help myself!

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Dunia Garcia-Ontiveros's avatar

I couldn't agree with you more. Very well said.

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Rukshana Afia's avatar

Absolutely !

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Average Dad's avatar

"Sometimes, I’ll just be walking down the street and I’ll stop mid stride because I’ll remember that an Australian court said that “sex is changeable” despite no human being ever changing sex and I’ll be almost paralyzed by the shock of it all." Sall Grover

Stand for Truth, and use satire to mock men in dresses as much as possible. And Women with a Penis, as if...

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ccGrandpa's avatar

For more on this, please see:

https://newdiscourses.com/translations-from-the-wokish/

God Bless.

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Jeff's avatar

Thank you for that reference.

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ccGrandpa's avatar

Glad to help. James Lindsay is one of my top three research sources. There other two are www.solari.com www.davidmartin.world.

God Bless your efforts to be informed.

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Terry M.'s avatar

Yes, say words with freedom. Sex, right, wrong, compete, excellence, butchery, adolescent, manipulation, parental rights, woman, man, girl, boy. This list is way too long. Let’s take them all back.

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Rukshana Afia's avatar

I am old enough to remember when it was an insult . Some tried to 'reclaim' it . Now it has a contested and often unpleasant meaning .

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Cavatina's avatar

What about 'queer'? Ask ten people and you'll get ten - or more - definitions. Which is the point of 'queer', perhaps.

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ccGrandpa's avatar

Excellent work by Logan Lansing and James Lindsay:

https://queeringbook.com/

God Bless

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