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Fearful Symmetry's avatar

A substantial percentage of the youth who identify as transgender do so because they are homosexual and see no happy future for themselves as lesbian women or gay men. Your rabid homophobia aligns you with the conservative parents of gender non-conforming children who opt to "spay the gay away" by transitioning them (Kai Shappley is one high-profile victim of this) and the trans-rights activists who harass lesbians who aren't willing to date trans-identified men.

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Michele a/k/a Nana's avatar

A teeny tiny small percentage. I am speaking to the adolescents that have deep seated trauma to deal with instead of gender. I recommend every one of our kids to wait until they are 25 to make a permanent decision. We all have issues in our heads that need nurturing and healing. I know because I’m one of them. Trust me, I’ve done my homework. And I know my own child. I respectfully agree to disagree with you. I hope we all find our happy endings. Because we all deserve to be happy.

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Fearful Symmetry's avatar

Let me be clear that I strongly oppose underage transition. What I object to in Marek's comment is the phrase "gay pervert" (that, and the frankly unhinged rambling about soy).

I agree with you that same-sex attracted teenagers probably make up a minority of trans-identified teenagers. However, I don't think they're a "teeny tiny small" minority. You're probably familiar with Tavistock, the central NHS gender clinic for minors in the UK. In 2019, several doctors left Tavistock due to a crisis of conscience and went public with their concerns; one of those concerns was that they were transitioning many homosexual teens—especially lesbians—who were bullied by their peers or whose families would rather have a straight son than a gay daughter. Apparently there was a dark joke among the staff that eventually there wouldn't be any gay people left at all.

(Of course, I can’t say anything about your daughter one way or the other, but . . . is she involved in fandom? My intuition is that this is probably the single biggest risk factor for trans-identification among teenage girls.)

You are, of course, at liberty to consider gay people "perverts"—I have no wish to abridge your freedom of thought or speech—but as I am a lesbian, there is no way for the disagreement to be a respectful one.

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Beeswax's avatar

Thank you Fearful Symmetry. I'm a lesbian too, who's been aware of, and resisting, the ideological sinkhole of transism for close to 50 years. Marek's comment about Ellen DeGeneres is part of his special sauce...we don't take him very seriously around here, although sadly he probably speaks for too many people who don't understand the difference between gay and trans.

Suffice it to say that homosexuality is not a perversion, it is a normal but rare variation that affects a small but persistent percentage of the human population, always has and always will. And for the record, transism has been devastating to the gay and lesbian community, as narcissistic transactivist fetishists attempt to remake the human race in their truly perverted image. The bodies and brains of young girls and boys who would otherwise grow up to be gay if simply left alone, are being maimed and mutilated. Then the detransition experience, although better than nothing, often leaves them with irreversible damage.

Homophobia is alive and well in transworld, as well as the "real world," but lesbians like you and I understand the difference between gay and trans as well as the insanity and utter evil of turning innocent children into clients of a billion dollar body-maiming industry. I support every possible measure to shut down the "education" and transitioning of children.

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Michele a/k/a Nana's avatar

Oh my! “gay pervert” did not come from my lips. I would never bash anyones gender. My only dog in this fight is for our kids to just please wait until you’re of an adult mind before making a permanent decision. Whoever made that comment was not only wrong but very offensive.

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Katie1178's avatar

The one who gay bashes here is Marek. He shows up often to enlighten us all of the perversion of being gay.

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