Yes, I am enraged. I became angry after my son estranged himself from his whole family because he believed he is a woman. It's the anger that keeps me going. I'm angry at the stupidity of all these people - important or not - who espouse this ridiculous ideology, who hold that gender identification trumps science. We are constantly told that 'the science is there' when talking about climate change. But what about the science of biology?
Thank goodness for PITT (I call it my parent forum that keeps me sane!) I can’t tell you the exact date but I have a vivid “photo” in my mind of the night approximately 2 years ago at a family dinner when were presented with “THE ANNOUNCEMENT” literally the split second the words left her lips my husband and I locked eyes in utter shock! The usual explanation followed but I think we both thought “WTF?” and so it continues: testosterone started Dec’23, disagreements sometimes, treading on eggshells all the time, unfathomable aggressive outbursts, research, research, research, hope after the WPATH exposure, then the Cass Review, but no change in her other than physical. Depressive bouts, helplessness then some relief reading other parents stories and not feeling alone. Hubby deals with it his way (compartmentalising: lucky him!) and me my way: refusing to use her chosen male name or pronouns, avoiding any observations about her changing appearance and just chatting a out the dogs or her job. Then inexplicably she sends her older sister 8 lengthy texts declaring me to be constantly depressed and suicidal (completely untrue!) and she couldn’t care less if I k….d myself and I get 1 chance when she moves away to University next year before she cuts me off permanently??? Her father should divorce me because I abuse him (again not true!) We go on cruises and holidays to get away from her and are our normal supportive, living selves. (We’ve been together for 30 years and have weathered many storms and it’s made us stronger!) This is another storm unfortunately but we are coping with this as well! She ended up with “EVERYONE” in this family should be focussing on her mental health because she has and still is suffering terribly! Okaaayyyy!
My older girl phoned me in a panic believing my su….e was imminent! I reassured her I was perfectly fine and not depressed or abusive or suicidal!The latest incident: hubby, older girl and her fiance and trans daughter went skiing for a week together (I opted out staying at home to look after our dogs and not wanting a repeat of last year’s ski trip which had our trans daughter’s massive outburst at me in which my husband had to intervene and lose his cool and resulted in her tripping up a couple of stairs backwards and bumping against a wall which of course turned into “How dare you push me?” (He didn’t!) “You’re an abuser! How dare you use violence against me! I’m leaving!” She packed her things and left making her way home with me texting her every couple of hours to make sure she was safe! This year’s “event” occurred in a cafe in public at the snow: my older daughter and the trans one screaming and arguing at the table about the trans issue and my trans daughter threatening to “kill” her sister ending up in a “punch up” where they had to be separated by my husband and my daughter’s fiancé. My God! So glad I wasn’t there this time! She threatened to leave again but changed her
mind apparently. Crazy, crazy, crazy and no we are not a “physical” family these episodes have come about only since she made her declaration. 6 months to go before she moves away to Uni! God only knows what that will look like! Anyhow HAPPY ROGD RECOGNITION DAY! Love to you all and thank you from the bottom of my heart for your honesty and endurance it really does help to keep me sane!!❤️❤️
Dr. Jack Turban is a gay man who should know better, but his wee ego has been swamped by his 15 minutes of fame. Hopefully he will eventually lose everything he values, which would be a fitting end to a clinician who has caused so many loving parents to lose their beloved children. Here is a critique of his shameful article in the NYT: https://lucyleader.substack.com/p/a-psychiatrists-new-pitch-for-talking
Brilliant article, thank you! You capture the experience of being an ROGD parent so well, especially the ‘where were you when your child told you’ point. That moment is indeed indelibly seared into my memory. Your child’s announcement via email was particularly brutal!! Mine just mentioned in her message ‘and I may make changes to my body’! At the time I had absolutely no idea what that meant. I certainly do now!! Your tone is light, and very witty. Is that because your child has come out the other side? Or that seeing the humour in the farcical situation we parents find ourselves in is the only sane response? My adult daughter, after taking testosterone for about a year and a half, has stopped, though still identifies as ‘non binary trans queer’. The ‘T’ has had permanent effects which I find distressing but have got used to. Having been estranged for a lengthy period we are now in regular contact, though there are topics of conversation which we studiously avoid. I’m far from being able to be my ‘authentic self’! However, I’m very grateful. I know things could be a lot worse. She is doing quite well in other aspects of her life. I am hopeful that one day we will have a close and honest relationship. I wish you and your family all the best.
Wonder if you don’t mind sharing what lengthy is? And did she reach out? I’m estranged from the one in the cult (3+ yrs) and his older ally bro (almost 1yr).
I’d settle for an honest relationship, but I am dubious about that.
I watched the slow build of gender ideology in my son, thinking his lifelong nonconformity would keep him defending his LGBTQ friends while remaining safe and grounded himself. I was wrong. But I'm commenting on this post because I am deeply disappointed in the reference to Olympic athlete Imane Khalef. Algeria is a strict Muslim country that bans all gender transitions. We who stand up for truth and logic must be willing to admit when we are wrong, and so far we are very wrong in claiming that this boxer is a man. If we persist we are no better than the liars who are telling our kids that they can decree their own biological reality. Let's keep our focus on the science (yay Cass report!), and the ways to heal and release our own kids (pray, pray, set limits, pray) and be the cooler heads in the room.
How are we wrong in saying Khalef is a man? He has been tested twice and he has xy chromosomes. I am sorry that he has been brought up as a female but had he lived in a country that knew more about DSD he would have been diagnosed sooner.
Both boxers, who won gold by defeating all the women, are XY - male - athletes. The olympics should not be a pity party nor should it be the "consolation prize" for the unfairness of genetics. These persons are XY male. They had no business fighting women.
The boxers are not transgender, true, but neither are they women. They have Disorders of Sexual Development and are biological males. I agree that the two situations are different, but they have similar consequences in women’s sports.
Khelif is not transgender, nor does he claim to be. He was born with a disorder of sex development (DSD), or as it used to be called, an "intersex" condition. Genetic testing revealed that he has male chromosomes (XY). His physique, facial structure and physical strength are the result of internal testes that produce testosterone.
Since he appeared female at birth, with genitalia that appear female (a vulva instead of a penis), his family naturally believed he was female and they raised him as a girl. It was not until he went into normal male puberty that his biological transformation began.
Khelif's father has stated publicly that he has a daughter, not a son, and I doubt he will ever be able to accept reality. As you note, I imagine that his Muslim background would make his son's DSD shameful and intolerable. But the evidence is clear from the standpoint of science.
Because Khelif is not as tall and muscular as normal XY boxers, there is speculation that he has a specific type of DSD which prevents him from fully utilizing the testosterone his body produces (this is called PAIS...partial androgen insensitivity syndrome). We will probably never know the details of his specific type of DSD unless he chooses to share it someday, but the fact that he has a DSD is not in question.
Obviously, it's nobody's fault that Khelif was literally misgendered as a newborn and that he and his family are having a difficult time accepting that reality. Nevertheless, as a boxer, he posseses the male advantage in muscularity, reaction times and strength over women. This biological advantage erases the level playing field, which destroys the concept of fair competition entirely. This is why men and women have always competed in separate categories.
The Olympic Committee is to blame. They know that Khelif is XY and they are lying about it. This reduces their credibility to zero and turns the Olympics into a travesty. Allowing men to compete against women turns women's athletic ambition and striving into an obscene joke.
Here is an excellent article on the DSD issue, not overly technical, that explains the science:
Thank you it’s really brilliant to read this description of DSD. It was also horrifying to see a very masculine looking person “bashing” a female opponent in what obviously was a clearly “wrong” match up (I have eyes!) The extra reach, the obvious mismatch of punching power and the insistence of the IOC that the Algerian boxer was a woman was disgraceful, disheartening and deceitful. Having been involved in the boxing world for many years back in the eighties it was terrible to see the damage on the brains of the male boxers and the lifelong brain injuries they sustained. It is a very brutal sport and mismatching like this is a promotion of male violence against females and is incredibly dangerous. The IOC should be ashamed.
He and the Taiwanese man have XY chromosomes and the same DSD as Caster does. Basically the testicles are internal and not observed at birth, but they have XY chromosomes and go through male puberty, and Caster has FATHERED children despite claiming to be female.
It's why the Algerian can prance around without a hijab, he's a dude.
It’s absolutely mind-boggling that virtually every major outlet in the world reporting the Court of Arbitration for Sport ruling yesterday has failed to mention one of the most important facts of the entire case. Caster Semenya has XY chromosomes. It was generally accepted by people following the case closely that Semenya was XY, but now it’s been confirmed as fact since the CAS press release specifically says, “The DSD covered by the Regulations are limited to athletes with ’46 XY DSD’ – i.e. conditions where the affected individual has XY chromosomes.” If she wasn’t XY, the IAAF’s regulations wouldn’t apply to her and she’d have no reason to challenge them.
All the boxers need to do is a cheek swab to prove they're XX, and instead the Algerian is doing photo shoots in woman-face. If he was in a strict Muslim country, he sure as hell doesn't dress like a Muslim woman
I wrote my post before reading yours. It's redundant, but I'll keep it up because it adds some facts. BTW, your comment about how Khelif dresses is very astute.
However, although I've heard this rumor too, are you sure that Semenya fathered a child? He doesn't have a penis or external testicles. He'd have to harvest sperm from his internal testes, which is very tricky and often doesn't work.
Here's the reason the trans activists (and their media servants) are so defensive of this. The extremely rare DSD cases like these are examples of "sex assigned at birth" being wrong, and they bootstrap from that to a wholesale disinformation campaign about how it's really common.
Unless I'm missing something, I couldn't tell from the linked article whether Semenya harvested his own sperm in the couple's artificial insemination attempts. I asked my search engine the question directly but got no answer. The articles I found all mentioned the "challenges" of getting pregnant but didn't explain whether those challenges were related to getting viable sperm from Semenya's internal testes, or simply the difficulties of successful artificial insemination in general.
I do see some positive changes & greater awareness. However, for every glimmer of hope I also see retaliation on the part of the affirming side and those pushing this insane agenda.
I’ve pretty much lost my battle. Our daughter has begun testosterone & simultaneously cut off contact with me. I tried going to a life coach with her, via zoom meetings, to strengthen our relationship and communication. I wish we’d started sooner. For any of you that still have contact, you may want to give it a whirl. We had some pretty in depth conversations & having a non biased party present helped. My reluctance to use her chosen name and pronouns was the breaking point for her.
I don’t know if I made the right decision. I do know my faith tells me to keep Christ first in all things & it’s all in His hands.
I continue to love her, pray for her and think of her. She’s 25 and technically an adult (mental maturity is questionable). It was Nov. 25 2022, day after Thanksgiving that she informed us. I knew things began to change while she was away at college. I just never expected this to be the outcome. My husband & I are heartbroken 💔.
It was February of 2019 and I was sitting on the couch recovering from a surgery. My 13 yo daughter came in and told my husband and I that she was non-binary, her new name was Maddox and she wanted us to use they/them pronouns. I was ignorant of all of this back then. I immediately thought of gay people coming out, told her we loved her and supported her and would try our best with the pronouns. I said "you aren't that 'trans' thing, are you? because my heart couldn't take that." And she said, "no, I'm just non-binary. A day later as I processed what happened, something didn't feel right, and thus began my journey down the shadowy world of gender ideology. Within a week I had determined I would never affirm any of this BS. She is now 19, has only descended further. Her whole existence, her whole life, is about "being trans." She is threatening to medicalize at any moment and also has threatened no contact. Fortunately we still control the purse strings of college. I await the day that we never have to celebrate ROGD awareness again. THanks to PITT, hopefully that day will come sooner rather than later.
The new developments are inspiring and I hope they'll continue. I wonder if the rate of kids declaring themselves trans is increasing, decreasing or staying the same in 2024. I've been listening to Miriam Grossman lately and she specifically mentions this site as a place where parents can go to understand they're not alone. My daughter transitioned with testosterone years ago in college with a bunch of trans friends. There was nothing I could find online that questioned "gender affirming care" but eventually I stumbled onto this site and realized I wasn't crazy for thinking the whole movement was mad. It's probably too late for my child but maybe the tide is turning.
Thank you to all who are on the front lines with this. It is devastating for so many families and we remain vilified for speaking up. I am so grateful for the support groups that are available and hope to see this upside down world come back to reality soon.
My then 27 year old son, who is 6’4”, my older son and my older son’s fiancé were visiting me. They all came to me together and my younger son said, “ I was going to say “I’m gay,” but actually I want to tell you I am a woman. But since I like girls I am also gay.” At least that the gist of it. I was so in shock I can’t remember exactly. My older son said he was glad I “Took it so well.” I didn’t tell them it was actually a combination of shock and knowing I should think and learn more about this nonsense before I said something I would regret.
Yeah my son was 27 and he is 6 ft. Just sent text saying he is now our daughter. He said he would entertain questions as long as we were open minded but otherwise just stick to fluff stuff. I honestly think ( even though there are several who says he can only be AGP) that being white ,male and attracted to females ( now he is "gay") left him in the group "responsible for all the evil in the world". Also pretty sure the make believe world of gaming and possible porn was influential. Supposedly he went for counseling for anxiety and instead of getting actual coping mechanisms trans became the panacea. He did not actually say all that just suspicions on my part . Glad the tide turning even if slowly.
I think exactly like you do on everything you mentioned. I brought up that people were saying it was bad to be a white male. I have never seen them try to get off a subject so fast. They really did not want to talk about that possibility.
I think that many of them are essentially convinced that they are "trans" in a few ways and then encouraged to present it as an ultimatum. This process can take months, maybe starting with school, maybe starting with a friend group on social media. They get all the 1950s sex stereotypes and are told if they don't fit all for their actual sex they are trans and need to become sterile and get surgery ASAP or die. I honestly think there are 4chan type trolls pushing this on kid's that they find online because they like to hurt other people.
To us it seems rapid because they hide it while being groomed. To them it seems like always because kids feel like 6 months is forever.
I got a thank you card from my nephew for the graduation money gift I sent. After a sweet thank you message he then informed me that he was trans and what his new pronouns were and what his new name was. I am grateful I already knew this information because my sister had filled me in on what was happening or it would have been quite the shocker!
I do remember exactly where I was when President Kennedy was shot. It was such a tragedy. I also remember where I was when the Columbine school shootings happened in Colorado. And I will never forget 9/11. I will also never forget the phone call I had with my nephew when I questioned him about transgender as he could not tell my why he was trans or what it meant.
I hope next year for ROGD day in 2025 will indeed be a day to celebrate! Enough is enough! God help the USA.
My daughter went trans as a friend group on a college campus in a 'girls go wild/girls go trans' sort of way. Email was the avenue to inform us but she left off the friend part. The so-called 'friends' were easy to find on social media. Testosterone emboldened them. Many 'friends' had social media accounts where their names were punctuated by a graphic of a dripping syringe and the date of their new birth (aka the day they began testosterone). Like anorexia, the girls/young women compete for 'looks' and actions- the hairiest, the most daring in surgical adventures, posing pics in male restrooms, etc... Many images showed testosterone patches and although I have posted this on PITT before, it is worth repeating.
"AndroGel can transfer from your body to others, including children and women. This can happen if other people come into contact with the area where the AndroGel was applied. Children and women should avoid contact with the unwashed or not covered (unclothed) areas where AndroGel has been applied to your skin."
"Signs and symptoms of early puberty in a child who has come in direct contact with AndroGel may include: Behavior problems, including acting aggressively or behaving in an angry or violent way."
No wonder our daughter turned into a monster. What an excellent way to help fuel a money making drug crazed social contagion!
The orchestration of this took decades and remains an uphill battle.
She is without breasts and was on testosterone for years. It all happened quickly. I do not know details on her beginning to come to her senses but in time perhaps I will learn. I suspect it will take years before she realizes how utterly captured she was and how sinister this cult truly is. Despite estrangements, the new demeanor, the hardened armor, the foreign entity that has invaded a child, leave the doors open. Today she is doing ok and remains a beautiful person - one in hiding for years. I suppose it won't all be smooth sailing ahead as she grapples with the truth though.
Mine was a “movie moment.” Just turned 13, my daughter asked to walk/ skateboard (me waking and her holding onto me while skateboarding)in a nearby park, by the East River, with views of Manhattan, on a beautiful, sunny spring day.
She asked at one point to stop in a grassy area. I had no idea what was coming. She said she had something important to tell me. Then, after a few deep breaths, she said she believed she was really a boy and let that hang in the air. I immediately went into “I don’t want to cause her any pain” mode, thinking of - yes, I went there because I was ignorant - my gay friends who came out in around the 80’s/90’s. I assured her everything would be fine and gave no hint of my internal total freak out.
It didn’t strike me as right though and I never “affirmed” her. I immediately began researching and quickly found Fourth Wave Now and other sites and Lisa Littman’s article, etc.
All was calm until a few months later, when she insisted that she take “T” and have a mastectomy the following summer. The fights began in earnest at that point and it all devolved from there. She is now 18 and on “T” against our wishes. It’s been a long and horrible “journey.”
Yes, I feel and see that things are turning, ever so slowly, so sad for all of us who have children caught in this madness, I hope their eyes and ears are opened today, the longer they go down this terrible road the harder it will be to get on a better path. We must all keep fighting, do not lie about gender or sex or allow lies to pass through us, stand for truth, reason and real science.
Yes, I am enraged. I became angry after my son estranged himself from his whole family because he believed he is a woman. It's the anger that keeps me going. I'm angry at the stupidity of all these people - important or not - who espouse this ridiculous ideology, who hold that gender identification trumps science. We are constantly told that 'the science is there' when talking about climate change. But what about the science of biology?
I don't want you to die young and infertile with painful complications. = I hate you and want you to die to an ROGD kid.
Thank goodness for PITT (I call it my parent forum that keeps me sane!) I can’t tell you the exact date but I have a vivid “photo” in my mind of the night approximately 2 years ago at a family dinner when were presented with “THE ANNOUNCEMENT” literally the split second the words left her lips my husband and I locked eyes in utter shock! The usual explanation followed but I think we both thought “WTF?” and so it continues: testosterone started Dec’23, disagreements sometimes, treading on eggshells all the time, unfathomable aggressive outbursts, research, research, research, hope after the WPATH exposure, then the Cass Review, but no change in her other than physical. Depressive bouts, helplessness then some relief reading other parents stories and not feeling alone. Hubby deals with it his way (compartmentalising: lucky him!) and me my way: refusing to use her chosen male name or pronouns, avoiding any observations about her changing appearance and just chatting a out the dogs or her job. Then inexplicably she sends her older sister 8 lengthy texts declaring me to be constantly depressed and suicidal (completely untrue!) and she couldn’t care less if I k….d myself and I get 1 chance when she moves away to University next year before she cuts me off permanently??? Her father should divorce me because I abuse him (again not true!) We go on cruises and holidays to get away from her and are our normal supportive, living selves. (We’ve been together for 30 years and have weathered many storms and it’s made us stronger!) This is another storm unfortunately but we are coping with this as well! She ended up with “EVERYONE” in this family should be focussing on her mental health because she has and still is suffering terribly! Okaaayyyy!
My older girl phoned me in a panic believing my su….e was imminent! I reassured her I was perfectly fine and not depressed or abusive or suicidal!The latest incident: hubby, older girl and her fiance and trans daughter went skiing for a week together (I opted out staying at home to look after our dogs and not wanting a repeat of last year’s ski trip which had our trans daughter’s massive outburst at me in which my husband had to intervene and lose his cool and resulted in her tripping up a couple of stairs backwards and bumping against a wall which of course turned into “How dare you push me?” (He didn’t!) “You’re an abuser! How dare you use violence against me! I’m leaving!” She packed her things and left making her way home with me texting her every couple of hours to make sure she was safe! This year’s “event” occurred in a cafe in public at the snow: my older daughter and the trans one screaming and arguing at the table about the trans issue and my trans daughter threatening to “kill” her sister ending up in a “punch up” where they had to be separated by my husband and my daughter’s fiancé. My God! So glad I wasn’t there this time! She threatened to leave again but changed her
mind apparently. Crazy, crazy, crazy and no we are not a “physical” family these episodes have come about only since she made her declaration. 6 months to go before she moves away to Uni! God only knows what that will look like! Anyhow HAPPY ROGD RECOGNITION DAY! Love to you all and thank you from the bottom of my heart for your honesty and endurance it really does help to keep me sane!!❤️❤️
Dr. Jack Turban is a gay man who should know better, but his wee ego has been swamped by his 15 minutes of fame. Hopefully he will eventually lose everything he values, which would be a fitting end to a clinician who has caused so many loving parents to lose their beloved children. Here is a critique of his shameful article in the NYT: https://lucyleader.substack.com/p/a-psychiatrists-new-pitch-for-talking
Brilliant article, thank you! You capture the experience of being an ROGD parent so well, especially the ‘where were you when your child told you’ point. That moment is indeed indelibly seared into my memory. Your child’s announcement via email was particularly brutal!! Mine just mentioned in her message ‘and I may make changes to my body’! At the time I had absolutely no idea what that meant. I certainly do now!! Your tone is light, and very witty. Is that because your child has come out the other side? Or that seeing the humour in the farcical situation we parents find ourselves in is the only sane response? My adult daughter, after taking testosterone for about a year and a half, has stopped, though still identifies as ‘non binary trans queer’. The ‘T’ has had permanent effects which I find distressing but have got used to. Having been estranged for a lengthy period we are now in regular contact, though there are topics of conversation which we studiously avoid. I’m far from being able to be my ‘authentic self’! However, I’m very grateful. I know things could be a lot worse. She is doing quite well in other aspects of her life. I am hopeful that one day we will have a close and honest relationship. I wish you and your family all the best.
Wonder if you don’t mind sharing what lengthy is? And did she reach out? I’m estranged from the one in the cult (3+ yrs) and his older ally bro (almost 1yr).
I’d settle for an honest relationship, but I am dubious about that.
I watched the slow build of gender ideology in my son, thinking his lifelong nonconformity would keep him defending his LGBTQ friends while remaining safe and grounded himself. I was wrong. But I'm commenting on this post because I am deeply disappointed in the reference to Olympic athlete Imane Khalef. Algeria is a strict Muslim country that bans all gender transitions. We who stand up for truth and logic must be willing to admit when we are wrong, and so far we are very wrong in claiming that this boxer is a man. If we persist we are no better than the liars who are telling our kids that they can decree their own biological reality. Let's keep our focus on the science (yay Cass report!), and the ways to heal and release our own kids (pray, pray, set limits, pray) and be the cooler heads in the room.
How are we wrong in saying Khalef is a man? He has been tested twice and he has xy chromosomes. I am sorry that he has been brought up as a female but had he lived in a country that knew more about DSD he would have been diagnosed sooner.
Both boxers, who won gold by defeating all the women, are XY - male - athletes. The olympics should not be a pity party nor should it be the "consolation prize" for the unfairness of genetics. These persons are XY male. They had no business fighting women.
The boxers are not transgender, true, but neither are they women. They have Disorders of Sexual Development and are biological males. I agree that the two situations are different, but they have similar consequences in women’s sports.
Khelif is not transgender, nor does he claim to be. He was born with a disorder of sex development (DSD), or as it used to be called, an "intersex" condition. Genetic testing revealed that he has male chromosomes (XY). His physique, facial structure and physical strength are the result of internal testes that produce testosterone.
Since he appeared female at birth, with genitalia that appear female (a vulva instead of a penis), his family naturally believed he was female and they raised him as a girl. It was not until he went into normal male puberty that his biological transformation began.
There are many varieties of DSD, all quite rare. They occur in approximately 0.018% of births (https://statsforgender.org/it-is-not-true-that-1-7-of-the-population-is-intersex-the-proportion-of-people-with-dsds-intersex-conditions-is-0-018/).
Khelif's father has stated publicly that he has a daughter, not a son, and I doubt he will ever be able to accept reality. As you note, I imagine that his Muslim background would make his son's DSD shameful and intolerable. But the evidence is clear from the standpoint of science.
Because Khelif is not as tall and muscular as normal XY boxers, there is speculation that he has a specific type of DSD which prevents him from fully utilizing the testosterone his body produces (this is called PAIS...partial androgen insensitivity syndrome). We will probably never know the details of his specific type of DSD unless he chooses to share it someday, but the fact that he has a DSD is not in question.
Obviously, it's nobody's fault that Khelif was literally misgendered as a newborn and that he and his family are having a difficult time accepting that reality. Nevertheless, as a boxer, he posseses the male advantage in muscularity, reaction times and strength over women. This biological advantage erases the level playing field, which destroys the concept of fair competition entirely. This is why men and women have always competed in separate categories.
The Olympic Committee is to blame. They know that Khelif is XY and they are lying about it. This reduces their credibility to zero and turns the Olympics into a travesty. Allowing men to compete against women turns women's athletic ambition and striving into an obscene joke.
Here is an excellent article on the DSD issue, not overly technical, that explains the science:
https://quillette.com/2024/08/03/xy-athletes-in-womens-olympic-boxing-paris-2024-controversy-explained-khelif-yu-ting/
Thank you it’s really brilliant to read this description of DSD. It was also horrifying to see a very masculine looking person “bashing” a female opponent in what obviously was a clearly “wrong” match up (I have eyes!) The extra reach, the obvious mismatch of punching power and the insistence of the IOC that the Algerian boxer was a woman was disgraceful, disheartening and deceitful. Having been involved in the boxing world for many years back in the eighties it was terrible to see the damage on the brains of the male boxers and the lifelong brain injuries they sustained. It is a very brutal sport and mismatching like this is a promotion of male violence against females and is incredibly dangerous. The IOC should be ashamed.
He and the Taiwanese man have XY chromosomes and the same DSD as Caster does. Basically the testicles are internal and not observed at birth, but they have XY chromosomes and go through male puberty, and Caster has FATHERED children despite claiming to be female.
It's why the Algerian can prance around without a hijab, he's a dude.
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2019/05/what-no-one-is-telling-you-about-caster-semenya-she-has-xy-chromosomes/
1) Caster Semenya Has XY Chromosomes
It’s absolutely mind-boggling that virtually every major outlet in the world reporting the Court of Arbitration for Sport ruling yesterday has failed to mention one of the most important facts of the entire case. Caster Semenya has XY chromosomes. It was generally accepted by people following the case closely that Semenya was XY, but now it’s been confirmed as fact since the CAS press release specifically says, “The DSD covered by the Regulations are limited to athletes with ’46 XY DSD’ – i.e. conditions where the affected individual has XY chromosomes.” If she wasn’t XY, the IAAF’s regulations wouldn’t apply to her and she’d have no reason to challenge them.
All the boxers need to do is a cheek swab to prove they're XX, and instead the Algerian is doing photo shoots in woman-face. If he was in a strict Muslim country, he sure as hell doesn't dress like a Muslim woman
Semenya, Mbome (Silver 200M W - 2021 Tokyo) - all these DSD XY athletes are barred from running. It is unfair to normal non-freak women.
They can run with the males
I wrote my post before reading yours. It's redundant, but I'll keep it up because it adds some facts. BTW, your comment about how Khelif dresses is very astute.
However, although I've heard this rumor too, are you sure that Semenya fathered a child? He doesn't have a penis or external testicles. He'd have to harvest sperm from his internal testes, which is very tricky and often doesn't work.
https://www.timeslive.co.za/tshisa-live/tshisa-live/2022-07-06-caster-semenya-and-wife-reflect-on-4-unsuccessful-insemination-processes-before-their-baby-girl/
Here's the reason the trans activists (and their media servants) are so defensive of this. The extremely rare DSD cases like these are examples of "sex assigned at birth" being wrong, and they bootstrap from that to a wholesale disinformation campaign about how it's really common.
Unless I'm missing something, I couldn't tell from the linked article whether Semenya harvested his own sperm in the couple's artificial insemination attempts. I asked my search engine the question directly but got no answer. The articles I found all mentioned the "challenges" of getting pregnant but didn't explain whether those challenges were related to getting viable sperm from Semenya's internal testes, or simply the difficulties of successful artificial insemination in general.
He's a piece of work
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2023/11/07/caster-semenya-uterus-testicles-world-athletics-olympics/
The presence of testicle and absence of a uterus don't make me less a woman.
I pray daily we defeat & destroy this evil cult.
I do see some positive changes & greater awareness. However, for every glimmer of hope I also see retaliation on the part of the affirming side and those pushing this insane agenda.
I’ve pretty much lost my battle. Our daughter has begun testosterone & simultaneously cut off contact with me. I tried going to a life coach with her, via zoom meetings, to strengthen our relationship and communication. I wish we’d started sooner. For any of you that still have contact, you may want to give it a whirl. We had some pretty in depth conversations & having a non biased party present helped. My reluctance to use her chosen name and pronouns was the breaking point for her.
I don’t know if I made the right decision. I do know my faith tells me to keep Christ first in all things & it’s all in His hands.
I continue to love her, pray for her and think of her. She’s 25 and technically an adult (mental maturity is questionable). It was Nov. 25 2022, day after Thanksgiving that she informed us. I knew things began to change while she was away at college. I just never expected this to be the outcome. My husband & I are heartbroken 💔.
To all of you experiencing this tragedy
❤️🙏🕊️
It was February of 2019 and I was sitting on the couch recovering from a surgery. My 13 yo daughter came in and told my husband and I that she was non-binary, her new name was Maddox and she wanted us to use they/them pronouns. I was ignorant of all of this back then. I immediately thought of gay people coming out, told her we loved her and supported her and would try our best with the pronouns. I said "you aren't that 'trans' thing, are you? because my heart couldn't take that." And she said, "no, I'm just non-binary. A day later as I processed what happened, something didn't feel right, and thus began my journey down the shadowy world of gender ideology. Within a week I had determined I would never affirm any of this BS. She is now 19, has only descended further. Her whole existence, her whole life, is about "being trans." She is threatening to medicalize at any moment and also has threatened no contact. Fortunately we still control the purse strings of college. I await the day that we never have to celebrate ROGD awareness again. THanks to PITT, hopefully that day will come sooner rather than later.
The new developments are inspiring and I hope they'll continue. I wonder if the rate of kids declaring themselves trans is increasing, decreasing or staying the same in 2024. I've been listening to Miriam Grossman lately and she specifically mentions this site as a place where parents can go to understand they're not alone. My daughter transitioned with testosterone years ago in college with a bunch of trans friends. There was nothing I could find online that questioned "gender affirming care" but eventually I stumbled onto this site and realized I wasn't crazy for thinking the whole movement was mad. It's probably too late for my child but maybe the tide is turning.
It often takes 5 to 10 years to detransition-so please don't lose hope.
Thank you to all who are on the front lines with this. It is devastating for so many families and we remain vilified for speaking up. I am so grateful for the support groups that are available and hope to see this upside down world come back to reality soon.
My then 27 year old son, who is 6’4”, my older son and my older son’s fiancé were visiting me. They all came to me together and my younger son said, “ I was going to say “I’m gay,” but actually I want to tell you I am a woman. But since I like girls I am also gay.” At least that the gist of it. I was so in shock I can’t remember exactly. My older son said he was glad I “Took it so well.” I didn’t tell them it was actually a combination of shock and knowing I should think and learn more about this nonsense before I said something I would regret.
Yeah my son was 27 and he is 6 ft. Just sent text saying he is now our daughter. He said he would entertain questions as long as we were open minded but otherwise just stick to fluff stuff. I honestly think ( even though there are several who says he can only be AGP) that being white ,male and attracted to females ( now he is "gay") left him in the group "responsible for all the evil in the world". Also pretty sure the make believe world of gaming and possible porn was influential. Supposedly he went for counseling for anxiety and instead of getting actual coping mechanisms trans became the panacea. He did not actually say all that just suspicions on my part . Glad the tide turning even if slowly.
I think exactly like you do on everything you mentioned. I brought up that people were saying it was bad to be a white male. I have never seen them try to get off a subject so fast. They really did not want to talk about that possibility.
I think that many of them are essentially convinced that they are "trans" in a few ways and then encouraged to present it as an ultimatum. This process can take months, maybe starting with school, maybe starting with a friend group on social media. They get all the 1950s sex stereotypes and are told if they don't fit all for their actual sex they are trans and need to become sterile and get surgery ASAP or die. I honestly think there are 4chan type trolls pushing this on kid's that they find online because they like to hurt other people.
To us it seems rapid because they hide it while being groomed. To them it seems like always because kids feel like 6 months is forever.
I got a thank you card from my nephew for the graduation money gift I sent. After a sweet thank you message he then informed me that he was trans and what his new pronouns were and what his new name was. I am grateful I already knew this information because my sister had filled me in on what was happening or it would have been quite the shocker!
I do remember exactly where I was when President Kennedy was shot. It was such a tragedy. I also remember where I was when the Columbine school shootings happened in Colorado. And I will never forget 9/11. I will also never forget the phone call I had with my nephew when I questioned him about transgender as he could not tell my why he was trans or what it meant.
I hope next year for ROGD day in 2025 will indeed be a day to celebrate! Enough is enough! God help the USA.
My daughter went trans as a friend group on a college campus in a 'girls go wild/girls go trans' sort of way. Email was the avenue to inform us but she left off the friend part. The so-called 'friends' were easy to find on social media. Testosterone emboldened them. Many 'friends' had social media accounts where their names were punctuated by a graphic of a dripping syringe and the date of their new birth (aka the day they began testosterone). Like anorexia, the girls/young women compete for 'looks' and actions- the hairiest, the most daring in surgical adventures, posing pics in male restrooms, etc... Many images showed testosterone patches and although I have posted this on PITT before, it is worth repeating.
From the androgel website (https://www.androgel.com/):
"AndroGel is not meant for use in women."
"AndroGel can transfer from your body to others, including children and women. This can happen if other people come into contact with the area where the AndroGel was applied. Children and women should avoid contact with the unwashed or not covered (unclothed) areas where AndroGel has been applied to your skin."
"Signs and symptoms of early puberty in a child who has come in direct contact with AndroGel may include: Behavior problems, including acting aggressively or behaving in an angry or violent way."
No wonder our daughter turned into a monster. What an excellent way to help fuel a money making drug crazed social contagion!
The orchestration of this took decades and remains an uphill battle.
I’m so sorry ❤️
It is criminal but she did exit the cult - after incurring some damage.
I'm so grateful she left the cult! 🙏❤️🙏 How did she leave and how much damage did she have before she left?
She is without breasts and was on testosterone for years. It all happened quickly. I do not know details on her beginning to come to her senses but in time perhaps I will learn. I suspect it will take years before she realizes how utterly captured she was and how sinister this cult truly is. Despite estrangements, the new demeanor, the hardened armor, the foreign entity that has invaded a child, leave the doors open. Today she is doing ok and remains a beautiful person - one in hiding for years. I suppose it won't all be smooth sailing ahead as she grapples with the truth though.
Not really a "like"...just an acknowledgement and an "I hear ya!"
Mine was a “movie moment.” Just turned 13, my daughter asked to walk/ skateboard (me waking and her holding onto me while skateboarding)in a nearby park, by the East River, with views of Manhattan, on a beautiful, sunny spring day.
She asked at one point to stop in a grassy area. I had no idea what was coming. She said she had something important to tell me. Then, after a few deep breaths, she said she believed she was really a boy and let that hang in the air. I immediately went into “I don’t want to cause her any pain” mode, thinking of - yes, I went there because I was ignorant - my gay friends who came out in around the 80’s/90’s. I assured her everything would be fine and gave no hint of my internal total freak out.
It didn’t strike me as right though and I never “affirmed” her. I immediately began researching and quickly found Fourth Wave Now and other sites and Lisa Littman’s article, etc.
All was calm until a few months later, when she insisted that she take “T” and have a mastectomy the following summer. The fights began in earnest at that point and it all devolved from there. She is now 18 and on “T” against our wishes. It’s been a long and horrible “journey.”
Yes, I feel and see that things are turning, ever so slowly, so sad for all of us who have children caught in this madness, I hope their eyes and ears are opened today, the longer they go down this terrible road the harder it will be to get on a better path. We must all keep fighting, do not lie about gender or sex or allow lies to pass through us, stand for truth, reason and real science.