Thank you, now that we - my husband and I, look back we wish we had homeschooled, we wish this and that but we didn't we trusted the school, we trusted the system, we failed as parents . We never saw this coming We heard about trans but stupidly think "This won't happen to us" The ignorance, the arrogance, the stupidity. My son came out at 20yo, I admit something in the back of my mind was telling me "is he gay my son?" But trans no we never expected it We both try conversations, more me because he was willing to have a conversation with me mor than with his dad. However, neither of us have any sort of degree, so he always said things like "you guys don't know anything" I tried to educate myself and look, and did research and have shared it with him I don't want to say with no success because I know that all than info that I sent to him is there in the back of his mind and I want to think and believe that my son will eventually realize that doctors and the people that pushed him to become trans and to believe that he is trans, LIED My child is super smart, sweet, compassionate, and I know he is in a lot of pain like all the children that have fallen for this lie that the government -Democrats in the US, pharma, wealthy Jewish families, people with no compassion for our children, created. My son like hundreds of many others had been seen as experiments for monsters that saw this ideology as a way of making $$$$ I am crying while I write this, because we are loosing our son, he just moved out and doesn't want to see us and he is planning to have facial surgery done so yes our world is collapsing my whole world is collapsing
I hope if there is a God and he is fair and just made the people that created this charade pay.
I tried showing my kid stuff like Jordan Peterson and PragerU as well as an adult neighbor. I had stubbed across them, however when I shared them I was shocked at both my child’s and my neighbors reaction. Apparently they were “blacklisted” and I was so stupid and hateful to listen to such people. I never heard of these people or organizations before, yet they both had.
My neighbors response to the Detrans documentary was…
“I hear your concern and appreciate your willingness to share information and your concern for kids. I’m not going to watch these videos because I choose not to support the organizations that created them.
I really believe you have been misinformed. I also think this side of the issue fails to recognize the rates of suicide in kids who don’t feel accepted for their gender identity or how they choose to express it. I would rather a kid grow up and regret their top surgery over having killed themself any day.”
Facts don’t change peoples minds.
If you share information from sources that have been deemed hateful already by the one you are sharing it to, it will backfire.
This is a casualty of the two-party political war our elected “leaders” and unelected “talk-show personalities” aka., paid idealogues, have walked us into over 30 plus years.
There can be no discourse with the “other side” once lines of battle have been drawn and each side contorted into an existential threat in the eyes of the other.
Later I was able to have a conversation with my child where I said, “It’s statistically impossible that I only find all the false information, and you find only all the correct information.”
Since then I have been able to get my child to watch some opposing viewpoints in small amounts. I also had to work on listening more to my child’s viewpoints and gain trust.
We also need to leave religion completely out of the public debate on trans. Any mention of religion causes instant rejection of the entire message for many. Fighting the false premise of gender ideology shouldn't be a religious thing. It's biology. It's science. It's common sense.
Agree. The same forces who favor unlimited diversity and variation in all things are also inherently anti-religious doctrine. And their spears are already well-blooded. That battle was a precursor to the one we face now and already largely lost.
Just realize the other side also stands it’s arguments on biology (it’s rare mutations) and science (it’s medical and chemical “advances”), with clear-eyed and creative re-interpretations of what is to them also common-sense (ultimate self-importance, relentless individual freedom, and the sacrosanctity of feelings).
You won’t make any headway there because they’ve already re-translated the language.
The argument can only be that any path ultimately requires self-acceptance - and toleration of all one’s imperfections.
It then becomes a matter of simplicity and pragmatism to choose to work now at accepting what you are, instead of later facing the same task of accepting at best a partially converted or at worst a mutilated and compromised modified self.
Absolutely. A few examples. In Huckleberry Finn, the boy Huckleberry poses as female “Sarah Williams”. In The Rocking Horse Winner, a child’s magical fever responds a family’s financial distress, but the magic kills him. In Romeo and Juliet, Juliet says to her father “ Good father, I’m on my knees, begging you, please be patient and let me say just one thing.“
Well done! Fantastic list and resources. I love that you created such a safe space to have dialogue. That is the key to making any progress in this. Thank you for taking the time to share this.
Your commitment and patience are praise-worthy for sure, and I am glad your son is coming out of the ether. I'm not trying to make you feel guilty in anyway saying this, but I can't help but wonder if instead of biology being #8, had it been #1 starting at an early age if the influence of all of the others would have been less for this. For newer parents, the simple truth that boys cannot be girls/girls cannot be boys needs to be ingrained from the beginning with toddlers. It leaves plenty of room to explore personality preferences of gender within the set boundaries of sex. I wonder about that a lot.
Agree - if any of us had seen this current insanity coming for us we’d have headed it off years ago! Unfortunately, the casual, let-it-work-itself out approach of the 70s-80s that we experienced was unbeknownst to us a crack in the foundation to be exploited by leftist activitsts.
And the familair, formerly benign influence of chlidren’s entertainment had already begun to be infiltrated by woke agenda - even as it was previously biased against heroic female roles. So, for raising daughters, this was a confusing double-edged razor to walk on.
Even had I known, I would not have had much support against the rising tide of contortionist reasoning and social influence of the internet.
I appreciate your feedback. Every family is different, but there is a very specific reason for tackling biology last. You would be dealing with a brainwashed teen whose mental and emotional attachment to the ideology is on a cult-like level. If logic and rational reasoning and explaining biological facts worked, none of us would be here. My child grew up with a very solid understanding of biology and that he was a boy, but none of it mattered when he was ideologically captured.
I agree. The capture can happen regardless of the knowledge of biology as those here can testify. The trans phenomenon is beyond logic - it's spiritual at it's core - but many are not ready to accept that or just can't see it. I would actually make #1 instilling the love of God for them Who created them unchangeably either male or female. I know those kids aren't always safe either. The goal is to leave no stone unturned and cover all the bases.
At the time today's ROGD teens were toddlers (10-12 years ago, perhaps), who could have foreseen that such a basic fact -- that "boys cannot be girls/girls cannot be boys" -- would ever be in dispute for their child?
I meant the toddler remark for those who have toddlers now. I can't say it's never too late to start instilling that truth, because too many here know it can be. What I am saying is the younger the better.
Yes, I agree with that. And let's hope that by the time today's toddlers are teens, the gender cult will be breathing its last.
I just wouldn't want any parents of current ROGD kids to feel guilt for not having taught them years ago that humans can't change their sex, when nobody could've dreamed that lesson would be necessary.
It was not my intent to add any guilt to anyone and feel guilty now thinking I did. My heart breaks for anyone caught in the trap. I've edited my original comment hoping to change that perception. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Thank you, now that we - my husband and I, look back we wish we had homeschooled, we wish this and that but we didn't we trusted the school, we trusted the system, we failed as parents . We never saw this coming We heard about trans but stupidly think "This won't happen to us" The ignorance, the arrogance, the stupidity. My son came out at 20yo, I admit something in the back of my mind was telling me "is he gay my son?" But trans no we never expected it We both try conversations, more me because he was willing to have a conversation with me mor than with his dad. However, neither of us have any sort of degree, so he always said things like "you guys don't know anything" I tried to educate myself and look, and did research and have shared it with him I don't want to say with no success because I know that all than info that I sent to him is there in the back of his mind and I want to think and believe that my son will eventually realize that doctors and the people that pushed him to become trans and to believe that he is trans, LIED My child is super smart, sweet, compassionate, and I know he is in a lot of pain like all the children that have fallen for this lie that the government -Democrats in the US, pharma, wealthy Jewish families, people with no compassion for our children, created. My son like hundreds of many others had been seen as experiments for monsters that saw this ideology as a way of making $$$$ I am crying while I write this, because we are loosing our son, he just moved out and doesn't want to see us and he is planning to have facial surgery done so yes our world is collapsing my whole world is collapsing
I hope if there is a God and he is fair and just made the people that created this charade pay.
Thank you for reading May God Bless you
I tried showing my kid stuff like Jordan Peterson and PragerU as well as an adult neighbor. I had stubbed across them, however when I shared them I was shocked at both my child’s and my neighbors reaction. Apparently they were “blacklisted” and I was so stupid and hateful to listen to such people. I never heard of these people or organizations before, yet they both had.
My neighbors response to the Detrans documentary was…
“I hear your concern and appreciate your willingness to share information and your concern for kids. I’m not going to watch these videos because I choose not to support the organizations that created them.
I really believe you have been misinformed. I also think this side of the issue fails to recognize the rates of suicide in kids who don’t feel accepted for their gender identity or how they choose to express it. I would rather a kid grow up and regret their top surgery over having killed themself any day.”
Facts don’t change peoples minds.
If you share information from sources that have been deemed hateful already by the one you are sharing it to, it will backfire.
This is a casualty of the two-party political war our elected “leaders” and unelected “talk-show personalities” aka., paid idealogues, have walked us into over 30 plus years.
There can be no discourse with the “other side” once lines of battle have been drawn and each side contorted into an existential threat in the eyes of the other.
Later I was able to have a conversation with my child where I said, “It’s statistically impossible that I only find all the false information, and you find only all the correct information.”
Since then I have been able to get my child to watch some opposing viewpoints in small amounts. I also had to work on listening more to my child’s viewpoints and gain trust.
I wish you all the patience, love and wisdom you need in this.
We also need to leave religion completely out of the public debate on trans. Any mention of religion causes instant rejection of the entire message for many. Fighting the false premise of gender ideology shouldn't be a religious thing. It's biology. It's science. It's common sense.
Agree. The same forces who favor unlimited diversity and variation in all things are also inherently anti-religious doctrine. And their spears are already well-blooded. That battle was a precursor to the one we face now and already largely lost.
Just realize the other side also stands it’s arguments on biology (it’s rare mutations) and science (it’s medical and chemical “advances”), with clear-eyed and creative re-interpretations of what is to them also common-sense (ultimate self-importance, relentless individual freedom, and the sacrosanctity of feelings).
You won’t make any headway there because they’ve already re-translated the language.
The argument can only be that any path ultimately requires self-acceptance - and toleration of all one’s imperfections.
It then becomes a matter of simplicity and pragmatism to choose to work now at accepting what you are, instead of later facing the same task of accepting at best a partially converted or at worst a mutilated and compromised modified self.
In my day, the public school curriculum included several books that shaped my attitude to freedom versus conformity.
1. Huckleberry Finn
2. Lord of the Rings
3. Lord of the Flies
4. Animal Farm
5. Brave New World
6. 1984
7. The Grapes of Wrath
8. Of Mice and Men
9. The Mouse That Roared
10. The Rocking Horse Winner (short story by D.H. Lawrence)
11. Tales of O’Henry
12. Romeo and Juliet
13. A Midsummer Night’s Dream
14. Twelfth Night
Ironic how the left would view most of these as supportive of their ideological break from normative “oppression”.
Absolutely. A few examples. In Huckleberry Finn, the boy Huckleberry poses as female “Sarah Williams”. In The Rocking Horse Winner, a child’s magical fever responds a family’s financial distress, but the magic kills him. In Romeo and Juliet, Juliet says to her father “ Good father, I’m on my knees, begging you, please be patient and let me say just one thing.“
In Twelfth Night, a woman pretends to be a man.
Incredible post. Thank you for sharing it.
I so appreciate your wisdom here. You have been a guiding light to many, many parents over the years. I'm so grateful to you.
Great post!
Well done! Fantastic list and resources. I love that you created such a safe space to have dialogue. That is the key to making any progress in this. Thank you for taking the time to share this.
Great resources, useful even for non-homeschooling parents. Thank you.
Your commitment and patience are praise-worthy for sure, and I am glad your son is coming out of the ether. I'm not trying to make you feel guilty in anyway saying this, but I can't help but wonder if instead of biology being #8, had it been #1 starting at an early age if the influence of all of the others would have been less for this. For newer parents, the simple truth that boys cannot be girls/girls cannot be boys needs to be ingrained from the beginning with toddlers. It leaves plenty of room to explore personality preferences of gender within the set boundaries of sex. I wonder about that a lot.
Agree - if any of us had seen this current insanity coming for us we’d have headed it off years ago! Unfortunately, the casual, let-it-work-itself out approach of the 70s-80s that we experienced was unbeknownst to us a crack in the foundation to be exploited by leftist activitsts.
And the familair, formerly benign influence of chlidren’s entertainment had already begun to be infiltrated by woke agenda - even as it was previously biased against heroic female roles. So, for raising daughters, this was a confusing double-edged razor to walk on.
Even had I known, I would not have had much support against the rising tide of contortionist reasoning and social influence of the internet.
I appreciate your feedback. Every family is different, but there is a very specific reason for tackling biology last. You would be dealing with a brainwashed teen whose mental and emotional attachment to the ideology is on a cult-like level. If logic and rational reasoning and explaining biological facts worked, none of us would be here. My child grew up with a very solid understanding of biology and that he was a boy, but none of it mattered when he was ideologically captured.
I agree. The capture can happen regardless of the knowledge of biology as those here can testify. The trans phenomenon is beyond logic - it's spiritual at it's core - but many are not ready to accept that or just can't see it. I would actually make #1 instilling the love of God for them Who created them unchangeably either male or female. I know those kids aren't always safe either. The goal is to leave no stone unturned and cover all the bases.
At the time today's ROGD teens were toddlers (10-12 years ago, perhaps), who could have foreseen that such a basic fact -- that "boys cannot be girls/girls cannot be boys" -- would ever be in dispute for their child?
I meant the toddler remark for those who have toddlers now. I can't say it's never too late to start instilling that truth, because too many here know it can be. What I am saying is the younger the better.
Yes, I agree with that. And let's hope that by the time today's toddlers are teens, the gender cult will be breathing its last.
I just wouldn't want any parents of current ROGD kids to feel guilt for not having taught them years ago that humans can't change their sex, when nobody could've dreamed that lesson would be necessary.
It was not my intent to add any guilt to anyone and feel guilty now thinking I did. My heart breaks for anyone caught in the trap. I've edited my original comment hoping to change that perception. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.