My daughter is a young adult, a very intelligent one at that, with a science-based college education. She tells me now, as an adult, that she is transgender. And my heart, my mind, and every fiber in my body screams, “NO!” because I know that she has been dragged into a cult, a cultural mania, however you choose to think of it. Never in a million years did I ever think I would be mother to a “transgender” person. This new identity, chosen for me, has turned my world upside down. What am I now? What I am is confused, bewildered, lost and depressed—beyond that, I really can’t say.
This reminds me so much of the rise of religious cults in the 70s and the stories we heard of children who turned their backs on their families to join the cults. It's so sad that this latest cult is doing so much damage.
My heart goes out to you. One cultural myth is that we are somehow completely independent of one another and that we must forge individual identities as thought we are some kind of last frontier to overcome. But it's a lie. We're interconnected and on a deep level, as family members, mothers, we affect each other deeply. From the early days of attunement to our babies as they grow within us, to the days and nights of waking, feeding, changing and comforting, to the time of childhood and adolescence with so many ups and downs, we love our children and they are a part of us. Praying that there will be healing and restoration for you and your child.
I've been thinking about your comment. You are right. There is some sort of force trying to blast us all into individual pieces but we exist happily as an interconnected web. The mother-daughter link does not disappear at the magic age of 18. And, if one had a 25 or 40 year old adult family member who was addicted to opioids (instead of "T") or crazy in some way that was self harming (like cutting or suicidal as opposed to the socially acceptable chopping off of healthy body parts) would the correct response be: you are an adult, you do you, you be your authentic self/perform your authentic life - good for you! hurrah! smile smile and clap!
We are victims of our culture... MPIs are always culture bound:
"Fantasies of killing educators." That's terrible. Well, good luck to you. Here you'll find parents whose hearts couldn't be any more broken. But we still have love to spare. Sounds like you could use some?
In regards to minor ROGD, “my opinion’s below” and of my internal, motherly pain of confusion and for seeing gender dysphoric further dig it’s claws into my child’s brain with clinical support of affirmation of transgender transitioning.
In our future of this world, how will our children’s children’s be, if Gender Dysphoria is Globally, a social norm’ acceptance:
As a dysphoric thinker, perhaps one day A future trend/socially excepted of: (no breasts) three breasts, (opposite gentle) both genitals, even a favourite animal part sewn into their body? Anything is possible with a Dysphoric thinker and they need a new type of support.
… When is Gov’t/medical intervention gone too far to alter a body image of a “minor” human being – let alone anyone – that has clinically been fully tested as XX/XY.
My story is similar to many, the pain as a parent wanting to only protect our children from self harm. Our ROGD diagnosed at 14, thankfully our FTM Minor consented:
Paediatric psychiatric evaluation, Ultrasound, chromosome and MRI is: XX.
As a family, we have therapy support not to affirm not to not affirm. Time for her to mentally grow, talk with a professional about her feelings without confirmation. We as a united family in pain on all sides are just taking our time. Heart of mine exhausted but this is how it has to stay for now.
For the last 6 months, I had written countless letters to GP’s some in different countries, counsellors, therapists, 1 paediatric psychiatrist, head of medicine professor. Etc.
I want to know and for there to be other professional Gov’t approved, path direction option’s, be available for our ROGD minors to recover from the Dysphoric thinking—before irreparable damage.
I believe any minor’s within their hidden/internal, potentially, even partial-alleviated dysphoric thoughts – will regret but general social acceptance pushes them into this abyss deeper – to stay transitioned on whatever level they are – even though they no longer necessarily believe.
How can opposite gender clinical affirmation with the intent of gender transitioning be an acceptable alternative for a minor who thinks dysphorically.
No to conversion therapy,
No to puberty blockers, hormones, nor gender Image alteration opposite gender surgery as a minor,
Nor for any human being that is scientifically proven; identified XX/XY without any abnormalities
For this generation for now: Dysphoric thinking children—Must have another option to help Allleviate their Dysphoric Belief without clinical affirmation of opposite intervention causing potential, irreversible damage.
Just my Motherly opinion about my with no opposite gender belief/action while growing up. 14-year-old, FTM believe. I am deeply concerned beyond breathe and thinking of our future XX/XY children of tomorrow’s.
Heterophobic Group: Logical Action of change to protect to dissolve, ROGD-Dysphoric Thinkers by government incorporating support in offering option of medical Dysphoria care with the consent of the child; other options of choice to receive support other than surgery or
unnaturally, otherwise.
We need Jordan Peterson to help combat ROGD. An option to medically receive professional support to distinguish Minor Gender Dysphoria is the another Human Rights “without affirmation” of a human being in what, they “believe” they are because they are dysphoric. “If” the ROGD dysphoria is no more the child would believe to whom she/he naturally believed, was born to be.
–Prove it first!!
Fight dysphoria; not otherwise.
*Excuse my errors, I lost my glasses and with a heart been broken over and over again and daily feel my child’s pain – how can we see clearly and know which way is truly righteous.
Peace be to you all in body and mind and within online interactions. Please do not post any hate speech, it only causes more pain people are already feeling. 🙏🏿🙏🏾🙏🙏🏼🙏🏻
I read many articles recently by people who have since detransitioned - many still supportive of trans rights but also highly sceptical of what is happening to minors, the sole focus on affirmation and eventually medicalisation/surgery etc. There are also trans people out there critical of whats going on and who support those who detrans too. It made me think that a group of both - adults who have been through these experiences and could openly and honestly talk to minors about it all could be invaluable. These children will never trust the type of parents represented here and will most likely become more defiant and determined to run in the opposite direction, but maybe they would learn from people who are not judgemental and are acutely aware of all the complications and confusing thoughts and feelings involved - not to mind with practical experience of all the negatives associated with hormone therapy, the reality of what surgery can and cannot achieve, future relationships, living, loving and accepting yourself as perhaps a naturally feminine man or masculine woman etc. who has a lot more to offer the world than what gender they are. I hope that support groups like this will evolve and educate teachers, schools, governments, doctors as well as parents and most importantly the people with gender dysphoria themselves. It sounds like many who detransed in their 20s, 30s and 40s could have benefitted a lot from talking to someone just like themselves when they were teenagers. A parent is not capable of doing that, especially parents who are all or nothing on the matter, which includes those here, no matter how liberal, and those who go the 100% affirmation route. Unfortunately parental instincts touted here by many as sacrosanct are actually counterproductive, as parental instincts are also tied to the individual parent's belief system and are about the parent not the child.
I'm so very sorry for what you are going through. Your story is heartbreaking. My daughter is still young, but I fear what lies ahead. I can only hope she comes to her senses before she reaches adulthood.
My heart aches reading your story. Your feelings about your new, unwanted identity are the same ones I feel. Our 17 year old daughter ran away two and a half weeks ago and is insisting that the only way she will return is if we call her by her new male name, never refer to her as a girl again and stop talking to her about any gender issues. She declared this trans identity a while ago, but we could have never imagined that she would give us the “parents of a run away child” title. Even if we do manage to get her to come home, we have been forever changed by this entire ordeal and quite damaged. Like you said, the love will always be there waiting for her, but we will not be the same people. Sending you hugs and strength!!
We know she is staying with a family of a school classmate. She tells us she’s “safe” but we fear the further psychological damage being done while living with people who are encouraging her in her delusions.
You may wish to speak to an attorney. I would recover my child, and then take her out of town to her grandmother's or somewhere else. Getting children isolated from these toxic friends is important.
If only that had been possible in the UK where police actually “protect” these teenagers from their parents if they claim to be transgender. Shockingly awful and heart wrenchingly painful for a mother to be treated as a criminal for wanting to protect her daughter! I tried to rescue my daughter from a toxic friend. The social worker would not let me. This world is awful!
yes, that is terrible. That people enable and assist children in this insane delusion is unacceptable. Are these people engaged in illegally concealing your child? Is that kidnapping in some sense?
I wonder if so much of this utter madness is about sexuality, and wanting to make oneself into something attractive to who you are attracted to. You like girls, girls like boys, so you want to be a boy.
In reality, of course, hetero females like REAL males, or men. We don’t want some half assed approximation of one. And girls/women who like girls/women want a real female.
You are not alone in this terrible pain of being upended in your entire identity; your child is also experiencing this wave of dislocation, and has become, as you say, drawn into a cult. We are going to have to devise deprogramming techniques if there is any hope of saving the next generation from being chewed up by this medicalized machine. I wonder if it is possible, by listening very closely and gently engaging with her, curiously exploring her new reality, where it comes from, what are the benefits she thinks she will find,how will she feel better in her new identity, to try to get her to experience and think for herself, some bit of insight into the reality of this delusional system. We are at a difficult time in the history of this trend where the critical mass of desisters is beginning to make themselves heard; I hope their voices can somehow make it to her consciousness. I am so sorry you are experiencing this .
It's clear you have no experience as a parent. You do not know what it's like to bring a child into this world. You have no voice here. I suppose if you're finding some satisfaction in your trolling, it's your choice to continue, but most here won't take your words seriously. I suspect your own relationship with your adults is strained? I hope you find healing.
This reminds me so much of the rise of religious cults in the 70s and the stories we heard of children who turned their backs on their families to join the cults. It's so sad that this latest cult is doing so much damage.
Exactly how I feel!
Sending you my love. I can’t imagine your pain. So very difficult watching our children be harmed. x
My heart goes out to you. One cultural myth is that we are somehow completely independent of one another and that we must forge individual identities as thought we are some kind of last frontier to overcome. But it's a lie. We're interconnected and on a deep level, as family members, mothers, we affect each other deeply. From the early days of attunement to our babies as they grow within us, to the days and nights of waking, feeding, changing and comforting, to the time of childhood and adolescence with so many ups and downs, we love our children and they are a part of us. Praying that there will be healing and restoration for you and your child.
I've been thinking about your comment. You are right. There is some sort of force trying to blast us all into individual pieces but we exist happily as an interconnected web. The mother-daughter link does not disappear at the magic age of 18. And, if one had a 25 or 40 year old adult family member who was addicted to opioids (instead of "T") or crazy in some way that was self harming (like cutting or suicidal as opposed to the socially acceptable chopping off of healthy body parts) would the correct response be: you are an adult, you do you, you be your authentic self/perform your authentic life - good for you! hurrah! smile smile and clap!
We are victims of our culture... MPIs are always culture bound:
https://bprice.substack.com/p/tiktok-tics-and-mass-sociogenic-illness
https://bprice.substack.com/p/trans-is-something-we-made-up
Well said, and lovely.
Why are you here?
"Fantasies of killing educators." That's terrible. Well, good luck to you. Here you'll find parents whose hearts couldn't be any more broken. But we still have love to spare. Sounds like you could use some?
Agreed!
In regards to minor ROGD, “my opinion’s below” and of my internal, motherly pain of confusion and for seeing gender dysphoric further dig it’s claws into my child’s brain with clinical support of affirmation of transgender transitioning.
In our future of this world, how will our children’s children’s be, if Gender Dysphoria is Globally, a social norm’ acceptance:
As a dysphoric thinker, perhaps one day A future trend/socially excepted of: (no breasts) three breasts, (opposite gentle) both genitals, even a favourite animal part sewn into their body? Anything is possible with a Dysphoric thinker and they need a new type of support.
… When is Gov’t/medical intervention gone too far to alter a body image of a “minor” human being – let alone anyone – that has clinically been fully tested as XX/XY.
My story is similar to many, the pain as a parent wanting to only protect our children from self harm. Our ROGD diagnosed at 14, thankfully our FTM Minor consented:
Paediatric psychiatric evaluation, Ultrasound, chromosome and MRI is: XX.
As a family, we have therapy support not to affirm not to not affirm. Time for her to mentally grow, talk with a professional about her feelings without confirmation. We as a united family in pain on all sides are just taking our time. Heart of mine exhausted but this is how it has to stay for now.
For the last 6 months, I had written countless letters to GP’s some in different countries, counsellors, therapists, 1 paediatric psychiatrist, head of medicine professor. Etc.
I want to know and for there to be other professional Gov’t approved, path direction option’s, be available for our ROGD minors to recover from the Dysphoric thinking—before irreparable damage.
I believe any minor’s within their hidden/internal, potentially, even partial-alleviated dysphoric thoughts – will regret but general social acceptance pushes them into this abyss deeper – to stay transitioned on whatever level they are – even though they no longer necessarily believe.
How can opposite gender clinical affirmation with the intent of gender transitioning be an acceptable alternative for a minor who thinks dysphorically.
No to conversion therapy,
No to puberty blockers, hormones, nor gender Image alteration opposite gender surgery as a minor,
Nor for any human being that is scientifically proven; identified XX/XY without any abnormalities
For this generation for now: Dysphoric thinking children—Must have another option to help Allleviate their Dysphoric Belief without clinical affirmation of opposite intervention causing potential, irreversible damage.
Just my Motherly opinion about my with no opposite gender belief/action while growing up. 14-year-old, FTM believe. I am deeply concerned beyond breathe and thinking of our future XX/XY children of tomorrow’s.
Heterophobic Group: Logical Action of change to protect to dissolve, ROGD-Dysphoric Thinkers by government incorporating support in offering option of medical Dysphoria care with the consent of the child; other options of choice to receive support other than surgery or
unnaturally, otherwise.
We need Jordan Peterson to help combat ROGD. An option to medically receive professional support to distinguish Minor Gender Dysphoria is the another Human Rights “without affirmation” of a human being in what, they “believe” they are because they are dysphoric. “If” the ROGD dysphoria is no more the child would believe to whom she/he naturally believed, was born to be.
–Prove it first!!
Fight dysphoria; not otherwise.
*Excuse my errors, I lost my glasses and with a heart been broken over and over again and daily feel my child’s pain – how can we see clearly and know which way is truly righteous.
Peace be to you all in body and mind and within online interactions. Please do not post any hate speech, it only causes more pain people are already feeling. 🙏🏿🙏🏾🙏🙏🏼🙏🏻
I read many articles recently by people who have since detransitioned - many still supportive of trans rights but also highly sceptical of what is happening to minors, the sole focus on affirmation and eventually medicalisation/surgery etc. There are also trans people out there critical of whats going on and who support those who detrans too. It made me think that a group of both - adults who have been through these experiences and could openly and honestly talk to minors about it all could be invaluable. These children will never trust the type of parents represented here and will most likely become more defiant and determined to run in the opposite direction, but maybe they would learn from people who are not judgemental and are acutely aware of all the complications and confusing thoughts and feelings involved - not to mind with practical experience of all the negatives associated with hormone therapy, the reality of what surgery can and cannot achieve, future relationships, living, loving and accepting yourself as perhaps a naturally feminine man or masculine woman etc. who has a lot more to offer the world than what gender they are. I hope that support groups like this will evolve and educate teachers, schools, governments, doctors as well as parents and most importantly the people with gender dysphoria themselves. It sounds like many who detransed in their 20s, 30s and 40s could have benefitted a lot from talking to someone just like themselves when they were teenagers. A parent is not capable of doing that, especially parents who are all or nothing on the matter, which includes those here, no matter how liberal, and those who go the 100% affirmation route. Unfortunately parental instincts touted here by many as sacrosanct are actually counterproductive, as parental instincts are also tied to the individual parent's belief system and are about the parent not the child.
She may not write as well as Abigail Shrier but I feel her pain, her love for her daughter, and her concern for subsequent generations.
https://abigailshrier.substack.com/p/what-i-told-the-students-of-princeton
This ideology is infecting families all over as folks rush to "affirm" and deny basic reality. It is really tragic as the cult members supply so much pressure: https://percolately.com/mom-grandparents-son-proper-pronouns/?fbclid=IwAR2KqqPPkHvFsucO6e6gdsbkJRf4sG3qczyOB1OIeA_hDyYyfdELYxE-Frw
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I'm so very sorry for what you are going through. Your story is heartbreaking. My daughter is still young, but I fear what lies ahead. I can only hope she comes to her senses before she reaches adulthood.
My heart aches reading your story. Your feelings about your new, unwanted identity are the same ones I feel. Our 17 year old daughter ran away two and a half weeks ago and is insisting that the only way she will return is if we call her by her new male name, never refer to her as a girl again and stop talking to her about any gender issues. She declared this trans identity a while ago, but we could have never imagined that she would give us the “parents of a run away child” title. Even if we do manage to get her to come home, we have been forever changed by this entire ordeal and quite damaged. Like you said, the love will always be there waiting for her, but we will not be the same people. Sending you hugs and strength!!
How devastating. Is she safe?
We know she is staying with a family of a school classmate. She tells us she’s “safe” but we fear the further psychological damage being done while living with people who are encouraging her in her delusions.
You may wish to speak to an attorney. I would recover my child, and then take her out of town to her grandmother's or somewhere else. Getting children isolated from these toxic friends is important.
If only that had been possible in the UK where police actually “protect” these teenagers from their parents if they claim to be transgender. Shockingly awful and heart wrenchingly painful for a mother to be treated as a criminal for wanting to protect her daughter! I tried to rescue my daughter from a toxic friend. The social worker would not let me. This world is awful!
yes, that is terrible. That people enable and assist children in this insane delusion is unacceptable. Are these people engaged in illegally concealing your child? Is that kidnapping in some sense?
Yes, it is like kidnapping.
God I’m so sorry! My heart hurts for you.
I wonder if so much of this utter madness is about sexuality, and wanting to make oneself into something attractive to who you are attracted to. You like girls, girls like boys, so you want to be a boy.
In reality, of course, hetero females like REAL males, or men. We don’t want some half assed approximation of one. And girls/women who like girls/women want a real female.
My heart goes out to you. ❤️🩹
Another story that I could have written and we will be there when they come home in broken pieces. God where are you?
You are not alone in this terrible pain of being upended in your entire identity; your child is also experiencing this wave of dislocation, and has become, as you say, drawn into a cult. We are going to have to devise deprogramming techniques if there is any hope of saving the next generation from being chewed up by this medicalized machine. I wonder if it is possible, by listening very closely and gently engaging with her, curiously exploring her new reality, where it comes from, what are the benefits she thinks she will find,how will she feel better in her new identity, to try to get her to experience and think for herself, some bit of insight into the reality of this delusional system. We are at a difficult time in the history of this trend where the critical mass of desisters is beginning to make themselves heard; I hope their voices can somehow make it to her consciousness. I am so sorry you are experiencing this .
I'm so sorry. Hopefully she will let you ask questions. Hopefully she will let you in a little bit. How painful.
Do not assent. Do not buy into this madness.
She is an adult. She can do what she wants. She cannot control your thoughts.
Nice how you have no human sympathy. Also, you use "they" improperly. She is discussing one person, her daughter :)
It's clear you have no experience as a parent. You do not know what it's like to bring a child into this world. You have no voice here. I suppose if you're finding some satisfaction in your trolling, it's your choice to continue, but most here won't take your words seriously. I suspect your own relationship with your adults is strained? I hope you find healing.