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Eleganta's avatar

"or lack of faith"

This phenomenon is actually most powerfully seen in religion.

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anpanman2's avatar

I think it is OK to be influenced by your friends. Young people can experiment as much as they like as long as it is not harming anybody: pink hair, cross dressing, gay sex, whatever. The trans problem is medicalization and the lies about it that are spread by just about everybody (doctors, press, schools...). It is brutal mutilation, sold as the new way of being "cool".

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Lunafalls's avatar

I feel even social transition is WRONG for minors. Some of these kids are declaring trans identities as young as 11-12 years old.

Five or six years and a naturally matured body later, sanity might return. But how can a female possibly feel confident in desisting, when she has spent her adolescence denying womanhood? She has wasted her growing-up years on the all-consuming tasks of trying to ACT like a boy, trying to LOOK like a boy, trying to THINK like a boy, pretending to BE a boy, and demanding affirmation as a boy -- instead of learning to be a woman.

And how can a socially transitioned boy who spends his formative years identifying as a girl, ever become a confident man? He has never identified with nor related to adult males as one of them. Instead, his adolescence was devoted to an elaborate game of pretend, and the world pretended right along with him.

Social transition only brings on the flood of "affirmation" from every direction, encouraging a young person to seek the next step, and the next, and the next.

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Alistair P-M's avatar

Yes, accepting 'social transition' as harmless just validates the concept of gender as an attribute independent of sex. It's like non-trans people putting pronouns in a bio or saying "I think gender is a social construct but I'm against kids getting surgery" - if you accept part of it, you implicitly condone all of it

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Ghost12's avatar

As a desister I think it goes beyond normal experimenting with your identity. For me and many others it was an obsession that I fixated on all day for years. It made my mental health and self esteem worse. I wouldnt shower so I wouldnt have to look at my body and I would sometimes cry seeing my body especially my breasts. I wanted to get hormones and surgeries so badly and developed delusional ideas about my body like seeing my breasts as tumors or something that needed to be removed. Instead of developing my identity I created a new one. I told everyone that this was me and how harmful it was to not affirm me, so it was embarrassing desisting i admit. I lost all of my friends because I was too scared to tell them. So I would compare it more to a potentially social contagion illness like anorexia or maybe self harm. Yeah there's no physical affects if you don't medically transition but I do not believe social transition is a neutral act it is a step on a slippery slope

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Eleganta's avatar

Yes, it is an extreme form of self harm. Doctors don't hand out meds to make it easier to cut or burn yourself, and they certainly don't do it for you. Except in the case of transgenderism.

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anpanman2's avatar

Indeed, this idea that you need to change sex if you don’t comply with gender stereotypes that is forced on children may be just as harmful as the actual medicalization. What kind of bs are we telling our children, at a time when they are struggling with their evolving bodies? This is very scary.

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Eleganta's avatar

Transgenderism is the 100% opposite of feminism.

Feminists have spent half a century working to destroy gender. Now the male supremacists are enforcing it by LAW.

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anpanman2's avatar

I remember going to the gender clinic with a scheme that I drew about my ideas about gender. I had biological sex on it (female), sexual attraction (attracted to men) and gender expression (any way I feel like that day). I asked them why I needed gender on my drawing. They said gender was about my soul: did I ”feel like a woman? You can express your gender as a man but still feel like a woman.” I asked them what they meant by that. All they could come up with was stereotypes. I told them that this ”feeling” might be there but that it was such a small one, compared to all other feelings and that it was not getting my attention at all. I didn’t get it, they showed me the gingerbread man to educate me. I concluded that my whole generation must be non-binary, free to pick any gender expression at any time. We boomers…

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Average Dad's avatar

Along with Natural Immunity, the importance of IQ, sunlight, meat, puberty difficulties and challenges, fresh air, family, friends, we also forgot how important it is for teens especially girls to resist social contagions, we also forgot that girls are especially vulnerable to social contagions. Maybe such things need to be taught again. However, today we can't trust the teachers and if we don't were bigots or whatever. Quite the Catch-22 we are in.

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Alexander Joseph Hamburger's avatar

I like that you mentioned meat. The consumption of fatty meat, fish and eggs provides essential nutrition required for a healthy mind and hormonal development. Veganism is another kind of social contagion. The low-fat high-carb diet pushed by the U.S. dietary guidelines has caused much suffering and death. What it comes down to is that you have to eat animal fat for your body to make all its hormones, everything from testosterone and estrogen to thyroid hormone, adrenalin and the hormones that keep your brain functioning and your body healing.

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Average Dad's avatar

So true and one of the best source of meat is cows, their meat provides a rich bounty of what we need. Cows have many stomach chambers to digest grass, we don't. The lie being perpetuated on humanity to eat bugs, and tofu and vegetables with little to no meat is rubbish. Our ancestors knew, Robin Hood knew, Romans knew, Gladiators knew. Meat is good for you. Control your meat and they turn you into weak peasants. The war being raised on our farmers and ranchers is real and needs to end. Want to turn a desert into usable land, let your herd deposit it's carbon on it and watch it come back to life. Carbon is life. Meat is good for you, good for us all.

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Lunafalls's avatar

Believing that girls are more susceptible to social contagion would mean admitting that female teens and young women have brains that actually DO match their biological sex. And THAT would mean -- uh-oh! -- they must not be in the "wrong body" after all.

Everybody knows girls are more likely to have anorexia, and that it spreads by social contagion. Who questions that? Yet, wondering about a similar reason for the sudden, enormous increase in girls thinking they are boys is NOT allowed. 🤯

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Eleganta's avatar

It's not girls' brains that make them more susceptible to social contagion. It's their enforced helplessness under violent patriarchy.

That's why they only become more susceptible than boys when they reach puberty and begin grappling with how incredibly unfair their lives as women under violent patriarchy are going to be. This forces them to bond with others in the same situation. And it makes those bonds so essential to survival that they'll do anything to maintain them. . .including destroy their healthy bodies.

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Ghost12's avatar

It is hard for teens and young adults specifically to stay grounded in who they are and thats why they are targeted by abusers. Its naturally a time of not knowing who you are or what you're doing and a time when you question everything and look for guidance. It is why you'll notice a large amount of trans identified people are teenagers or young adults. They are susceptible to cults too.

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