60 Comments
User's avatar
⭠ Return to thread
GenCrit in N. California's avatar

Thank you for your article. I'm so sorry for what was done to your child. I wish you and your child the best possible outcome: sooner than later.

I would like to ask you and other authors here to provide more specifics, please.

First, as a lesbian feminist, I would like to look up who the man who committed the murder and was recently reported in the news as a lesbian, as this is harmful to kesbians, and is distressing to read about here without knowing any specifics to allow me to take action or share the information. Women and lesbians need to be able to know and follow this. If you would at least provide the state, and the date of the murder or his arrest, or any other information so I can look it up, I would appreciate it. It's upsetting amd depressing to read alarming, vague information without knowing what the crime and incident details are, so I can act, and share it with others who can also

act. Reading things like that without knowing the specifics causes distress, without being able to take action to relieve any of that distress. It encourages a feeling of helpless victimization and dread. Thwre are a lot of articles on here that are distressing that I encourage us to be vicinity instead of taking action.

Imagine if at the end of every article here if the author provided one newspaper or politician we could write to, with an email and sample one-sentence letter?

The sex-deniers are taking action and rolling right over women, parents, and kids, by taking action. If we want this to stop, we must stop it by taking at least a brief action, preferably ideally every time we read another travesty.

It is empowering to know the specifics, to have the option to act.

Second, I have been reading for years vague references to online sites where children are being groomed into this madness.

Yet when I've requested it, no one has provided me with even one specific site, let alone a link to a specific example of that happening on that site.

That's not sufficient.

Again, others and I can only credible report on this occurring, to wake up gender identity believers, if we see this with our own eyes and have a link to provide to one or more specific incidents of this occurring.

I have had people respond worthlessly with, "Oh, it's everywhere. Just look." Or, "It's on every LGBT site, or the XYZ site (some massive national LGBTQ site), just look," without linking me to anything specific.

So please forgive me if I'm becoming wary that this is an urban legend, perhaps based on q one-pff or rare occurrence, which people keep repeating without having seen themselves.

If it's true, anyone, please show me woth a link.

How are we to take action raising awareness with gender-believing people if we can't cite examples of what we claim is happening?

To the author, and anyone else here, please provide links to one or more specific examples of the child grooming into a sex-denying identity to which you refer here.

Let's provide specifics so we can shift to taking action and not let these sex-denier bullies keep harming kids, qnd instead discredit this cult to help bring your kids home.

I'm sure it's gut-wrenching for parents to write these essays. But if we want to stop this, whether for one's own child, or anyone else's, every time we read an article, or write one, it would help if each of us were to provide at least one specific that allows us to take a specific action, such as looking up a crime or writing a letter.

Thank you.

I'm sorry if I sound harsh to the author-mom here. I just want us to win.

Expand full comment
GenCrit in N. California's avatar

Horrific. Thank you for the link. That poor woman.

Expand full comment
Mama Bear Proud's avatar

That is the story that I first thought of when reading this. She is not a woman - they are both trans identified males. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/liara-kaylee-tsai-a-trans-woman-with-incredibly-powerful-energy-found-dead-in-minnesota/ar-BB1ptATO

Expand full comment
GenCrit in N. California's avatar

Oh good grief. These didhonest publications, lying about sex. Thank you. Mama BP.

Expand full comment
Mama Bear Proud's avatar

I'm going to respond about sites -- you can sign up for a medium dot com anonymous userid, select your interests including LGBTQ+ and start reading about trans. The algorithm has gotten better in the past two years, but it fed only the TQ+ stuff prior to that if I even started reading 1 article on it. ( I have created several anonymous profiles throughout the years. My first one got censored because I responded to someone who wrote about her trans ASD "lived experience" which was a bunch of BS. ) I was shocked at how quickly and frequently the content was fed to me via emails and going onto the site. The indoctrination that happens because of the constant "lived-experience" articles fed to a young, vulnerable mind is enough to cause those individuals to start identifying as trans. If you read anything about cults - the reiteration effect can cause people to believe false information or induce them into cults. This is what happened to my son.

I also know that he was also in contact with a male who also helped groom him into the id. My son was in contact with a therapy based website on autism. He self-id as autistic at the same time trans came about. Imagine my anger when I discovered the male who responded to a Quora response my son had written is a co-founder of the autism site and since has come out as trans. His wife is the therapist/co-founder.

Tangentially, yet related. If you look at NCOSE website which is an org that is advocating to pass legislation to restrict teen access to porn and adults contacting children has been influenced by LGBTQ+ organizations to change their bill. They say this - https://endsexualexploitation.org/articles/bigtechbs-how-tech-lies-about-child-safety-and-the-needs-of-lgbtq-youth/. It's less than transparent what was changed, but we parents know that our kids are being groomed by those much older than they are in discord, Tumblr, etc. And there is nothing we can do about YA access to this.

Will I give you specifics links about my son? No. I am trying to protect my family, just as I suspect we all are.

You are welcome to create anonymous accounts and pretend to be a YA and see what experiences you have and report back on it.

Expand full comment
FHLmom's avatar

Coming back to complete my response. You made some good and viable points. I’m not offended at all and so grateful for your desire to take action. Our son was groomed on Tumblr. (We had asked who was “helping” him back in 2014.) He suddenly disappeared six months later. Our connection with the human trafficking hotline basically left us with these points: It does sound like he’s been trafficked. This is so common. There is nothing that can be done unless one can prove he wants out.

Expand full comment
GenCrit in N. California's avatar

I'm so sorry to hear this, FHLmom. May I ask how old your son was at the time of his disappearance, and now? You sound so calm. My heart goes out to you and your son and family.

Expand full comment
FHLmom's avatar

GenCrit, I just came back here to check on a link and see I did not answer your question. Our son was 20 at the time. He is 30 now. “Calm” is easy to pull off behind a screen. Honestly, I have to trust in sovereign providence or I will lose my mind.

Expand full comment
Mama Bear Proud's avatar

Have you thought about talking to NCOSE? I think if there were a group of parents who brought their concern to them, they perhaps would listen.

Expand full comment
GenCrit in N. California's avatar

Ok, thanks. What is a YA, please? Also, this is the same issue. Discord and Tumblr are big sites. I need more specific links or sections of those sites, if anyone can provide some, please.

Expand full comment
Mama Bear Proud's avatar

YA = young adult - 18-25 yrs. At 25, we hope that the brain has fully developed and matured, but it seems the cult arrests that development. :-(

I had thought about creating anonymous accounts and bait groomers, but I don't have the mental space to do so nor do I want to spend countless hours trying to learn platforms and the ecosystem such as anime, tech, and gaming. I think if you can find friends/family who are on discord or Tumblr to teach you would be the best.

Expand full comment
GenCrit in N. California's avatar

Ok, thank you for the YA definition!

Expand full comment
Realitycheck's avatar

GenCrit, I agree that it would be helpful to provide specifics. I don't know what specific violent crime the writer is referring to, so a link would be helpful. As for grooming, a quick Google search turned up the following websites. Sadly, there are many more. I can well imagine a confused kid in school, complete with Pride month and trans flags, who learns about gender identity and is asked to "share pronouns". He or she discovers content similar to what I have posted below and enters the trans rabbit hole.

https://upviews.com/blog/trans-youtubers/

https://sociallypowerful.com/post/transgender-influencers

https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/q43aq6/what_are_your_favorite_trans_influencers/?rdt=46859

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bQCG-Ix0RU

Expand full comment
GenCrit in N. California's avatar

I went back to look at the first one, and it creeped me out so much again, I had to close out of it within seconds. These men's sites, just their photos and the paragraph about the content of each of them actually frightens me. I don't want to go anywhere near their content. Do you feel similar about that first site you listed, please? I mean, truly frightened and sickened.

Expand full comment
GenCrit in N. California's avatar

Also. What Google search phrases did you use, please? I never have any luck. Usually men who say they're women answer.

Expand full comment
GenCrit in N. California's avatar

Thank you. I looked at the first one and it made me ill. I'll keep looking at the others, also.

So is the main way that kids are being groomed by watching influencers?

Are there group dialogues where kids are persuaded by others they're born in the wrong body?

How are kids persuaded this applies to them, please?

Expand full comment
Anon's avatar

I think you nailed it right there. I just can’t look

Expand full comment
GenCrit in N. California's avatar

Thank you

you. I want to see evidence. We qll should be shown it. No more vagueness about this. It's a serious accusation, grooming, that requires clear proof.

Expand full comment