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S. A. Dad's avatar

I lost two daughters to the gender plague. I don't let the present rob me of the past. I have a running screen saver slide show of more than 1,000 pictures from happier times. Even knowing the horror show ending of that life, I still cherish the memories of those happy times. I know they loved me. I know we were a happy family. Nothing can take that away.

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Grieving Father's avatar

Agree completely. Having lost both my kids (son and daughter) to this madness, I will not under any circumstances allow them to rob me of my past and my cherished loving family memories too.

My son especially has demanded that I take down or replace my family portraits and whatnot, but my stern response is that ‘if you want me to respect your future, then you must respect my past.’ This has worked so far and I have maintained a rough but still reasonably loving and respectful relationship with both kids.

Keep fighting and never give up. I think a few cracks are already starting to appear. We’ve got 10,000 years of civilization on our side, and all they’ve got is a crackpot theory. Eventually human nature will reassert itself (and at a rapid pace once ‘trans’ ceases to be ‘cool.’).

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Dionne leitschuh's avatar

I like your comment about if you want me to respect your future you have to respect my past. I am happy that you have still got a relationship with your kids. I will not give up hope that someday I will have a relationship with my child again !

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Anon's avatar

I really like this response but I have to ask, You have a reasonably loving & respectful relationship…that is wonderful but how so?? Those very word ‘reason & respect ’ doesn’t exist for us.

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Grieving Father's avatar

Thanks. Well I guess I’ve been lucky. I was close with both kids growing up, and my wife (to my annoyance) is generally affirming in her views. Also our family dynamic has always favored discussion over yelling, and both kids (now in college) recognize that continued financial support is needed. Bottom line is that they still seem to want us and need us in their lives, which works so long as I moderate expression of my own views. They know my opposition very well, but it is not necessary to live in a constant state of agitation.

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Anon's avatar

…so you are able to agree to disagree. The best you can do in this situation. That’s positive at least. Difficult power dynamic too isn’t it. Sigh!

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Grieving Father's avatar

Good way to put it. 30 years as a litigator also helped me with lots of crossover skills, especially de-escalating hostile situations. Hopefully I can buy enough time for sanity to return.

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Anon's avatar

That’s admirable, & I’m glad they still want you in their lives, I hope you can build on that. Most often it’s all or nothing. It certainly is in my case. My refusal to use my son’s preferred pronouns or name has led to estrangement. Never through yelling on my part but there was no discussion., no debate, no compromise. It’s beyond me & that’s not for lack of understanding. It’s simply madness.

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Natalia's avatar

Yes, and our brains have hundreds of thousands of years of evolution behind them. They have got to start working again. And with God’s help their brains and bodies will recover.

I recently read news of another detransitioner on Twitter having become a mother for the second time. This makes me very optimistic. I think evolution will make our bodies heal and God will make our spirits heal.

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Anon's avatar

This is positive, but I think that’s the point of what is so harrowing about this phenomenon. Their bodies will not recover, the damage is irreversible. So your point is right, for the future of course we I hope this will pass. It is with resignation that II see my/our kids as somewhat sacrificial if that makes sense & that our stories heard for it to end.

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Natalia's avatar

If detransitioners are having babies then it may not always be true that testosterone makes you sterile. Or at least there could be a point where the damage can still be reversed? I know of course that there is a point of no return, when you get vaginal atrophy and stool incontinence etc but detransitioners having babies is a wonderful thing.

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Anon's avatar

Yes..I guess I was looking at it mostly because I have a son caught up.. 3 years on oestrogen I think he is pretty much sterile

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Natalia's avatar

😔

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Team Reality's avatar

They're trying to escape the stuff they see in porn and feel safe. It doesn't make it better, I get that. But who wants to vomit during oral sex or be punched and choked during anal sex? That's what girls see. And unless you live in a land without internet that's what they've seen.

Visit trans spaces. They will rail about how gay biological men don't want them.

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