Crazy times but they are coming to the natural conclusion. There are organizations that had a good purpose in the beginning but that they had became monsters and are eating themselves out. I never been a witnesses of a "gay" person being segregated it or put down or discriminated but history tell me that had been the case in the past, I think is a lie that is still happening, all the contrary I have examples where people have been chosen for a job because they are "gays", in a scientific realm not for a "gay"bar. So I think all these organizations are being highjacked for political power reasons, the only cases that are mentioned from time to time are the bakers who refused bake cakes for "gay" people, and that is non-sense, all the stores in California, one of the most liberal states, have the right to denied service or "reserve the right to deny service to whatever they want" , also I will not give my patronage and money to people who doesn't want me, imposed myself to others doesn't have any sense for me what make me think why a "gay" couple wants to have this particular baker to bake their cakes but not other reason that political ideological division and that to me it is like tyrants operate. I don't believe in "gay" marriage, are you going to put me in jail? Are we all subject to the tyranny of the "gay" people? Do the "gay"people have more rights than the "hetero" people?? Are they victims of the system that discriminate them? really? Because to me looks the opposite. If I think too deep maybe they are the culprit that transgenderism is an option at all? From them it comes a sense of despair and victimization that people that otherwise, as this article well suggested, would be just "gay" but now they are thinking in change their gender because being "gay" is just too terrible!
I used the word gay with quotations because I think that our sexual orientation shouldn't be an identity at all because diminishes us as human beings, humans are much more than their gender or sexuality, actually our sexuality is the less important of all (I know hard to believe in a hiper-sexualized society) but we have so many dimensions that the fact of who i share my bed with it shouldn't being in the public domain knowledge. I have friends who happened to be attracted to their own gender and they agreed with me %100, they don't want the exposure and they don't want to pressure of meeting somebody who wants to marry and go through all the shenanigans that we the "hetero" go through. They said they were free, they had a secret life nobody mind about it or care and all that changed with these LGTB+ organizations that the only who benefit are the ones who are in power of those organizations getting grants for everything and filling their pockets with money. I can compromise in -don't ask don't tell- I don't need to know neither care, let's just be friends.
If someone tells you that he is Napoleon are you required to agree with him? If you fail to endorse his delusions are you being Napoleonphobic? If he tells you that he needs a gun to defeat Wellington do you allow him to purchase one?
It is exactly the same situation if a man tells you that he is a woman. No one can change their biological sex. The mentally ill are entitled to freely live their lives with sympathy and care but not forced acceptance of their fantasies and never should they be allowed to possess deadly weapons. The recent Minneapolis murders of children are a result of ignoring this reality.
flag burning is supreme court ruled free speech protected by the constitution. burn an american flag and that’s a-ok, burn this abomination of a flag, and it’s hate speech and you go to prison. see how we can never win because we live under a world wide kakistocracy?
These new trans flags are hideous. They look like dirty rainbow diapers, or baby clothes, while they communicate ideological oppression, the oppression of people who recognize biological reality, rather than acceptance or even tolerance of alternate views.
They also communicate the forcible conversion of gender confused children into permanently mutilated versions of themselves, to enforce stereotypical gender roles, rather than freeing children from them.
I have also seen a newer version of the flag which includes sex workers, and no I am not joking. I don’t see how sex workers would have any of the same issues as others on the flag.
I saw that too and was initially enraged as sex workers were specifically included but not lesbians. Until I learned a few days later that it WAS meant as satire.
Before the rainbow flag became common, you would as often see the lamda and pink triangle. The ridiculous transqueer invasion flag says it represents more kinds of people. The original flag wasn't about kinds of people at all. The TQ movement has hijacked HRC, GLAAD, AI, SPLC, and ACLU which are now anti-gay and anti-women.
I was at a hospital recently, and at the entrance were three flagpoles. They contained the American flag, a "Donate Life" flag for organ donation, and -- you guessed it! -- that ugly, out-of-place Pride flag, with all the latest stripe additions, of course, including for trans.
Honestly, I felt sick. WHY must that flag fly outside of a hospital? To show they treat LGBTQ-whatever persons? They're an American hospital -- they HAVE to treat anyone who seeks medical care. I don't think the public is confused about that.
Our culture long ago moved from "acceptance" of LGBTQ, to praise and glorification. Now, with that ugly flag on display in so many public places, we have moved on to outright WORSHIP.
It's not worship. It's a symbol to show that the LGBTQ+ community can feel safe to go in those places. Imagine going into a store and being ridiculed for who you are. I'm sure that's not what you would want for yourself. You would want to know that you are going into a space where you don't have to worry what people will say or do to you for just being yourself. I'd feel sick to from being so judgemental.
If you need a flag on buildings or other people to continually validate you and make you "feel safe", then you need psychological help. Your extreme fragility is not due to other people.
Imagine thinking everyone has to fly your flag in order for you to live your life, or you'll threaten to kill yourself.
Seriously?
If you want to fly a symbol to show that the most violently-oppressed people in all human history can feel safe going in public places, you'd better fly a suffragette flag.
If you're not flying that, then you don't actually care about endangered people.
And I'd feel sick being such a male supremacist hypocrite.
When I go into a store, gym, or venue of any kind without flags, it feels much better. Each person in those places have their own opinions and perspectives, but they are going about their business and taking care of business without overtly broadcasting or displaying their beliefs upon others who just want to conduct business or engage in an activity and be on their way to the next one.
Can you identify the white and pale blue and pink colours in flags I've seen. I heard they represent Minor Attracted Persons... IOW pedophiles. Is this true?
They are the colors of the trans flag. There IS a flag for minor attracted persons, though. It has similar colors and a similar striped design, but it also includes yellow.
Well, no (not yet!). The pink, blue & white colors in the new triangle are for trans. There is no yellow section with them as in the minor- attracted flag.
I think it's a bit disingenuous to say that the movement started out as LGB, and the TQ+ latched on without permission. The "T" was included very shortly after LGB became commonly used. The fact that it has spiraled this far out of control is directly correlated to the inability of anyone in "the community" to draw a line in the sand and say enough is enough. The LGB didn't attempt to rein in any of the TQ+ insanity until it was far too late. They were complicit in it from the start, and want to distance themselves from it now that it has become the exact "slippery slope" that we were all warned about. Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for all the "normy" LGBs who now get a bad rap due to the extremism within their community, but to absolve them of any accountability for where things are at now isn't an accurate reflection of the movement's history.
We were using GLB back in the 1970s. It was changed to LGB in the 1980s to honor the lesbians who came forward to care for gay men during the AIDS epidemic.
The T wasn't added until 2012--thirty years later.
Lesbians have been fighting transgenderism since Janice Raymond published The Transgender Empire in 1979.
The T has been in common use since the early 90's. There may have been some lesbians fighting the addition of trans, but the community as a whole has been widely accepting of it, right from the beginning. Nothing I said was incorrect, and clearly the lesbians fighting against it didn't exactly do a bang up job of kicking them out of the movement, considering that now the extremists have taken it over entirely.
I was involved in the gay/lesbian scene in 90s. I don't remember seeing rainbow flags or other rainbow merch at pride. The rainbow was more of a subtle marking to signal to other gay people aka a rainbow sticker in back window of your car. It had more akin to the way early Christians used the symbol of the fish.
Now pride looks much more like the Red Revolution in China except instead of red it's rainbows- showing allegiance to an ideology
When I see these flags I see being conquered by homosexuality. Good to see a push to SCOTUS to define marriage as being between one man and one woman with anything else being defined as something else, God speed to them. Do what you want, with whoever in your home but Marriage is only one man and one woman. It can't be 5 people, it can't be 3 people and a dog or a tree or whatever, which is where we are now. I love all people but I will never love or affirm what books of wisdom call wrong or disordered done by people I love. Gay Marriage got us this Trans issue. Obama was against it before he was for it, I remain against it. It's not good for children. The proof is all around us to see every day. Reality is real. Why? Because we know better that is why. The basis, the best model for children (and civilization, neighborhoods, cities, counties, nations) in terms of family, must be marriage, defined as one man and one woman raising children. We must stop sacrificing children for our whims and desires. Every decision we make must be in the best interests of children, start there. Homosexuality is not that.
Make no mistake, there is nothing organic about the "Progress Flag". It did not originate from grassroots activism, but from the highest powers of control, to represent New World Order. Here in Canada, during the plandemic, the "Progress Flag" was suddenly everywhere; on all banks, government buildings, schools, corporate offices, and painted on the side of fire trucks.
Like the masks, 6-feet-apart stickers and plexiglass which appeared everywhere (worldwide) overnight to indicate and enforce mass fear of a fake "pandemic", the "Progress Flag" is a powerful symbol used and promoted by the parasitic ruling class to enforce mass programming, compliance and control. See the socialist/Marxist/communist playbook for the very obvious focus on brainwashing (and now chemical and surgical castration) of children.
The trans activists who also have popped up overnight are now emboldened and financed by the powers-that-ought-not-to-be, to give the appearance that this is coming from grassroots activists.
An excellent article (June 2022) about the "Progress Flag" is, Everything Wrong with the “Progress Pride Flag” though you can see by the pushback in the comments that many people who identify as LGBT-etc are stuck in hive-mind, group-think mode.
And no discussion about the "Progress Flag" would really be complete without considering the PDFile origins of the "Trans Flag". Genevieve Gluck's brilliant research on that is here:
Comedian Alex Stein commented that his lawyer advised him that he can defend him and win on any issue, but that attacking LGBT Inc. is not so easy. The powerful pedo-parasite-elites won't allow criticism of their New World Order.
Calling any criticism of the prevailing narrative a "conspiracy theory" is a thought terminating cliché, used extensively after the JFK assassination to discredit anyone questioning the official narrative and more recently to silence any dissent in the worldwide Covid scam. Most people using it have very little to add to the discussion.
All of the PSYOPS, constructed and promoted by the so-called “ruling class” (royalty, selected puppet politicians, NGO’s including the UN, the WHO, the WEF, the entertainment industry, etc.) are intimately connected.
People get judged for who they are every day. They're just not the inexplicably untouchable .1% of the population.
Crazy times but they are coming to the natural conclusion. There are organizations that had a good purpose in the beginning but that they had became monsters and are eating themselves out. I never been a witnesses of a "gay" person being segregated it or put down or discriminated but history tell me that had been the case in the past, I think is a lie that is still happening, all the contrary I have examples where people have been chosen for a job because they are "gays", in a scientific realm not for a "gay"bar. So I think all these organizations are being highjacked for political power reasons, the only cases that are mentioned from time to time are the bakers who refused bake cakes for "gay" people, and that is non-sense, all the stores in California, one of the most liberal states, have the right to denied service or "reserve the right to deny service to whatever they want" , also I will not give my patronage and money to people who doesn't want me, imposed myself to others doesn't have any sense for me what make me think why a "gay" couple wants to have this particular baker to bake their cakes but not other reason that political ideological division and that to me it is like tyrants operate. I don't believe in "gay" marriage, are you going to put me in jail? Are we all subject to the tyranny of the "gay" people? Do the "gay"people have more rights than the "hetero" people?? Are they victims of the system that discriminate them? really? Because to me looks the opposite. If I think too deep maybe they are the culprit that transgenderism is an option at all? From them it comes a sense of despair and victimization that people that otherwise, as this article well suggested, would be just "gay" but now they are thinking in change their gender because being "gay" is just too terrible!
I used the word gay with quotations because I think that our sexual orientation shouldn't be an identity at all because diminishes us as human beings, humans are much more than their gender or sexuality, actually our sexuality is the less important of all (I know hard to believe in a hiper-sexualized society) but we have so many dimensions that the fact of who i share my bed with it shouldn't being in the public domain knowledge. I have friends who happened to be attracted to their own gender and they agreed with me %100, they don't want the exposure and they don't want to pressure of meeting somebody who wants to marry and go through all the shenanigans that we the "hetero" go through. They said they were free, they had a secret life nobody mind about it or care and all that changed with these LGTB+ organizations that the only who benefit are the ones who are in power of those organizations getting grants for everything and filling their pockets with money. I can compromise in -don't ask don't tell- I don't need to know neither care, let's just be friends.
Once one form of perversion is accepted as normal in a nation, every other perversion treads the same pathway through the gate.
If someone tells you that he is Napoleon are you required to agree with him? If you fail to endorse his delusions are you being Napoleonphobic? If he tells you that he needs a gun to defeat Wellington do you allow him to purchase one?
It is exactly the same situation if a man tells you that he is a woman. No one can change their biological sex. The mentally ill are entitled to freely live their lives with sympathy and care but not forced acceptance of their fantasies and never should they be allowed to possess deadly weapons. The recent Minneapolis murders of children are a result of ignoring this reality.
https://www.menonpause.info/p/to-be-adored-to-be-respected-to-be
flag burning is supreme court ruled free speech protected by the constitution. burn an american flag and that’s a-ok, burn this abomination of a flag, and it’s hate speech and you go to prison. see how we can never win because we live under a world wide kakistocracy?
These new trans flags are hideous. They look like dirty rainbow diapers, or baby clothes, while they communicate ideological oppression, the oppression of people who recognize biological reality, rather than acceptance or even tolerance of alternate views.
They also communicate the forcible conversion of gender confused children into permanently mutilated versions of themselves, to enforce stereotypical gender roles, rather than freeing children from them.
How did we get here?
Obergefell v. Hodges
I have also seen a newer version of the flag which includes sex workers, and no I am not joking. I don’t see how sex workers would have any of the same issues as others on the flag.
I saw that too and was initially enraged as sex workers were specifically included but not lesbians. Until I learned a few days later that it WAS meant as satire.
Did you hear that from a reliable source?
Including and promoting sex workers is part of the socialist/Marxist/communist agenda.
Well said!
When I see someone with a non traditional pride flag, I take it as if they’re saying, “I’ve been beat down and have surrendered.”
Before the rainbow flag became common, you would as often see the lamda and pink triangle. The ridiculous transqueer invasion flag says it represents more kinds of people. The original flag wasn't about kinds of people at all. The TQ movement has hijacked HRC, GLAAD, AI, SPLC, and ACLU which are now anti-gay and anti-women.
I was at a hospital recently, and at the entrance were three flagpoles. They contained the American flag, a "Donate Life" flag for organ donation, and -- you guessed it! -- that ugly, out-of-place Pride flag, with all the latest stripe additions, of course, including for trans.
Honestly, I felt sick. WHY must that flag fly outside of a hospital? To show they treat LGBTQ-whatever persons? They're an American hospital -- they HAVE to treat anyone who seeks medical care. I don't think the public is confused about that.
Our culture long ago moved from "acceptance" of LGBTQ, to praise and glorification. Now, with that ugly flag on display in so many public places, we have moved on to outright WORSHIP.
It's not worship. It's a symbol to show that the LGBTQ+ community can feel safe to go in those places. Imagine going into a store and being ridiculed for who you are. I'm sure that's not what you would want for yourself. You would want to know that you are going into a space where you don't have to worry what people will say or do to you for just being yourself. I'd feel sick to from being so judgemental.
If you need a flag on buildings or other people to continually validate you and make you "feel safe", then you need psychological help. Your extreme fragility is not due to other people.
It's propaganda, just like a Nazi flag.
Imagine thinking everyone has to fly your flag in order for you to live your life, or you'll threaten to kill yourself.
Seriously?
If you want to fly a symbol to show that the most violently-oppressed people in all human history can feel safe going in public places, you'd better fly a suffragette flag.
If you're not flying that, then you don't actually care about endangered people.
And I'd feel sick being such a male supremacist hypocrite.
Can you imagine thinking their flags and increasingly debauched parades are a way to win over people?
I feel sick from being judged for wanting neutrality and political/ideological free spaces.
If you're in America, there are no political/ideological free spaces.
That's ridiculous.
America is absolutely chocked to the eyeballs with parks and wildernesses. They are, indeed, political/ideological free spaces.
Stop trying to destroy the ideological neutrality upon which this nation was founded, you right-wing woman-hater.
I would state your point without name calling. This space should be open to expressing and opinion without name calling, especially unkind words.
When I go into a store, gym, or venue of any kind without flags, it feels much better. Each person in those places have their own opinions and perspectives, but they are going about their business and taking care of business without overtly broadcasting or displaying their beliefs upon others who just want to conduct business or engage in an activity and be on their way to the next one.
Can you identify the white and pale blue and pink colours in flags I've seen. I heard they represent Minor Attracted Persons... IOW pedophiles. Is this true?
See Genevieve Gluck's excellent The Origins of the Trans Flag:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zaQ-os4yxw
The term "Minor Attracted Persons (MAPs)" is the woke language to soften the more descriptive term of pedophiles.
They are the colors of the trans flag. There IS a flag for minor attracted persons, though. It has similar colors and a similar striped design, but it also includes yellow.
Are the colours representing pedophilia being incorporated into the Rainbow flag I see prominently displayed during the Parades?
Well, no (not yet!). The pink, blue & white colors in the new triangle are for trans. There is no yellow section with them as in the minor- attracted flag.
I think it's a bit disingenuous to say that the movement started out as LGB, and the TQ+ latched on without permission. The "T" was included very shortly after LGB became commonly used. The fact that it has spiraled this far out of control is directly correlated to the inability of anyone in "the community" to draw a line in the sand and say enough is enough. The LGB didn't attempt to rein in any of the TQ+ insanity until it was far too late. They were complicit in it from the start, and want to distance themselves from it now that it has become the exact "slippery slope" that we were all warned about. Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for all the "normy" LGBs who now get a bad rap due to the extremism within their community, but to absolve them of any accountability for where things are at now isn't an accurate reflection of the movement's history.
You must not be a fan of recent history.
We were using GLB back in the 1970s. It was changed to LGB in the 1980s to honor the lesbians who came forward to care for gay men during the AIDS epidemic.
The T wasn't added until 2012--thirty years later.
Lesbians have been fighting transgenderism since Janice Raymond published The Transgender Empire in 1979.
What have you done that's bigger than that?
The T has been in common use since the early 90's. There may have been some lesbians fighting the addition of trans, but the community as a whole has been widely accepting of it, right from the beginning. Nothing I said was incorrect, and clearly the lesbians fighting against it didn't exactly do a bang up job of kicking them out of the movement, considering that now the extremists have taken it over entirely.
To find out how and why the T was included (and Queer, non-binary and eunuch identity) see Jennifer Bilek's, Who is Behind the Trans Agenda:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLXdoqXbC6k&list=PLmrnvFzPoElo48dDzfwGzL4WhdlEA6F9K&index=45
I was involved in the gay/lesbian scene in 90s. I don't remember seeing rainbow flags or other rainbow merch at pride. The rainbow was more of a subtle marking to signal to other gay people aka a rainbow sticker in back window of your car. It had more akin to the way early Christians used the symbol of the fish.
Now pride looks much more like the Red Revolution in China except instead of red it's rainbows- showing allegiance to an ideology
When I see these flags I see being conquered by homosexuality. Good to see a push to SCOTUS to define marriage as being between one man and one woman with anything else being defined as something else, God speed to them. Do what you want, with whoever in your home but Marriage is only one man and one woman. It can't be 5 people, it can't be 3 people and a dog or a tree or whatever, which is where we are now. I love all people but I will never love or affirm what books of wisdom call wrong or disordered done by people I love. Gay Marriage got us this Trans issue. Obama was against it before he was for it, I remain against it. It's not good for children. The proof is all around us to see every day. Reality is real. Why? Because we know better that is why. The basis, the best model for children (and civilization, neighborhoods, cities, counties, nations) in terms of family, must be marriage, defined as one man and one woman raising children. We must stop sacrificing children for our whims and desires. Every decision we make must be in the best interests of children, start there. Homosexuality is not that.
“Books of wisdom”? You mean “religion”.
Don’t go blaming us LGB for the trans nonsense, and take your homophobia elsewhere!
I don't hear a groundswell of LGB protest against trans ideology -- more like a whisper from a few. Why is that?
You've never heard of the LGB Alliance? Or the LGB Courage Coalition?
Alison Bailey, Bev Jackson, Kathleen Stock, Jamie Reed, Lauren Leggieri and their organizations?
You've never heard of Janice Raymond?
You've never heard of Martina Navratilova?
You've never heard of Mr Menno?
You've never heard of MAGADALEN BERNS??
That says a whole lot more about you than it does about them. Why is that?
I'm with you on that. I've always been a supporter of the separation of LGB from TQ+.
Make no mistake, there is nothing organic about the "Progress Flag". It did not originate from grassroots activism, but from the highest powers of control, to represent New World Order. Here in Canada, during the plandemic, the "Progress Flag" was suddenly everywhere; on all banks, government buildings, schools, corporate offices, and painted on the side of fire trucks.
Like the masks, 6-feet-apart stickers and plexiglass which appeared everywhere (worldwide) overnight to indicate and enforce mass fear of a fake "pandemic", the "Progress Flag" is a powerful symbol used and promoted by the parasitic ruling class to enforce mass programming, compliance and control. See the socialist/Marxist/communist playbook for the very obvious focus on brainwashing (and now chemical and surgical castration) of children.
The trans activists who also have popped up overnight are now emboldened and financed by the powers-that-ought-not-to-be, to give the appearance that this is coming from grassroots activists.
An excellent article (June 2022) about the "Progress Flag" is, Everything Wrong with the “Progress Pride Flag” though you can see by the pushback in the comments that many people who identify as LGBT-etc are stuck in hive-mind, group-think mode.
https://thelesbianpost.substack.com/p/everything-wrong-with-the-progress
And no discussion about the "Progress Flag" would really be complete without considering the PDFile origins of the "Trans Flag". Genevieve Gluck's brilliant research on that is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zaQ-os4yxw
Comedian Alex Stein commented that his lawyer advised him that he can defend him and win on any issue, but that attacking LGBT Inc. is not so easy. The powerful pedo-parasite-elites won't allow criticism of their New World Order.
As a lesbian, I don’t agree with all of this trans nonsense, but I have to say that most of your comment is conspiracy theorist crap.
Calling any criticism of the prevailing narrative a "conspiracy theory" is a thought terminating cliché, used extensively after the JFK assassination to discredit anyone questioning the official narrative and more recently to silence any dissent in the worldwide Covid scam. Most people using it have very little to add to the discussion.
Spoken like a true conspiracy theorist.
Conflating women's rights with covid denial is a conspiracy theory.
Conflating completely different issues has very little to add to the discussion.
All of the PSYOPS, constructed and promoted by the so-called “ruling class” (royalty, selected puppet politicians, NGO’s including the UN, the WHO, the WEF, the entertainment industry, etc.) are intimately connected.