Hi, so, we've been "in it" since TransgenderTrend in the UK and 4thwavenow in the US, the go-to site prior to PITT. Somewhere I read that the 4thwavenow founder, Denise Caignon, who went by another name until her daughter desisted, was interviewed for that Atlantic article & that she went to bed the night before publication thinking her perspective would be included but woke up finding that her voice had been removed because it was critical of "trans". Her daughter got off the trans train prior to taking testosterone. But, that daughter formed a group, Pique Resilience Project, with 3 other young women who went farther down the medical path, receiving medical harm at the hands of doctors and also Planned Parenthood. See https://piqueresproject.com/ Those young women have moved on. I was referred to The Atlantic Article way back when.... and my daughter has only recently begun taking testosterone proscribed by doctors even though it is off label - which is a concept she did not even grasp (I hope the doctors get in legal or criminal trouble someday as I will not forget this).
This article reports on The Atlantic:
"It leaves out the part where she compares the “gender affirming care” she provides to that for diabetes, telling The Atlantic, “I don’t send someone to a therapist when I’m going to start them on insulin”. And it somehow overlooks that Dr Olson-Kennedy suppressed the publication of a $10 million taxpayer-funded study she ran which did not find any improvement in the mental health of children treated with puberty blockers. She claimed the findings would be “weaponized” to gate-keep the treatment." Right? We really have not gotten very far at all.
"When Denise Caignon’s 17-year-old daughter Chiara came out as a trans man in 2014, she thought it was “cool” at first.
Even though Chiara made her announcement after watching trans-oriented YouTube videos and social media for just a few weeks, Denise said she wasn’t worried.
“The trans thing sounded like it was going to be the next big civil rights issue and I thought, great!” said Denise, who lives in North Carolina. “I didn’t know much about it.”
But when Chiara immediately began talking about undergoing a medical transition, which can involve puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones and surgery, Denise got nervous. Chiara wanted a mastectomy, or what is called “top surgery.”"
Another thing that apparently has been left out of the NYT podcast (in addition to how a regretter can just go get "new breasts" a if breasts were a decorative ornament) is how Dr Olson-Kennedy convinced an 8 year old girl that she is actually to boy with her infamous pop tart analogy (and by the way, President Joe Clinton celebrated 8 year old girls as boys - such a good "moral Catholic").
"Johanna Olson-Kennedy in 2017: "“I just gave him the language”: Top gender doc uses pop tart analogy to persuade 8-year-old girl she’s really a boy"" "Olson-Kennedy is the Medical Director of the Center for Transyouth Health and Development at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles, the largest transgender youth clinic in the US. She delivered these remarks at the inaugural USPATH conference in Los Angeles this past February, as part of a symposium entitled “OUTSIDE OF THE BINARY – CARE FOR NON-BINARY ADOLESCENTS AND YOUNG ADULTS.” "[2:40] And I said, “oh, so …and I completely made this up on the spot, by the way, but …I said, “Do you ever eat pop tarts?” And the kid was like, oh, of course. And I said, “well you know how they come in that foil packet?” Yes. “Well, what if there was a strawberry pop tart in a foil packet, in a box that said ‘Cinnamon Pop Tarts.’? Is it a strawberry pop tart, or a cinnamon pop tart?” Your body is just a wrapper, a piece of foil to be discarded (more like: pumped full of hormones, sterilized and eventually surgically reconfigured) so the “real” self can be revealed. [3:00] The kid’s like, “Duh! A strawberry pop tart.” And I was like, “so…”
Considering it was the NYTimes, my expectations were low. I was pleasantly surprised they interviewed some of the relevant figures in this issue, but the reporters bias comes thru in her tone & questions.
In my opinion, Marci Bowers came across as arrogant & obnoxious telling the reporter you can not show both sides.
I hope they will continue to dive deeper & talk to those who have regret.
I’d also like them to dig deeper on the increased number of autistic kids who are being swept up in this cult.
After listening to the entire podcast, I thought that the producers must've requested the montage of voices at the end, to try and make it seem more "balanced." There is so much reported in that podcast that is indefensible, and the advocates for subjecting children and their families to this "Protocol" sound so unsympathetic. The montage of voices seemed tacked on - perhaps an attempt to defray the outrage of the most outrageous.
The most frustrating thing is that The Times will never ever interrogate the IDEA that children can be transgender. They just banter back and forth about the "best ways" to treat this patient cohort that didn't exist at all until only a few years ago. It's like debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin and not realizing that the proposition itself is absurd.
I cancelled my NYT subscription because of the way that they were either ignoring or doing extremely biased reporting on this subject. When their article "The Strange Report That's Fueling the War On Trans Kids" (about the CASS review) came out in August 2024 I made a comment on it. I was used to the Times not allowing my comments to be published so I didn't think much about it when I didn't get a notice that my comment was approved. Then yesterday, exactly 9 MONTHS later I get an email "Your comment has been approved!" These approval notices usually come through in minutes, maybe an hour or two at the most. This massive delay never happened before and I have no idea how it even did happen. It's maybe just an algo glitch, but to me it's a hilarious example of how the TImes will either ignore or suppress the voices they don't want to hear. Just one very small example amongst hundreds. When I cancelled my subscription I wrote to them that they had become a LBGTQIA++ advocacy group and not a news outlet anymore. Won't make a bit of difference of course but I could no longer support the NY Times.
I canceled my NYT subscription when they never covered Dr. Lisa Litman's study or Abigail Shrier's book while instead publishing breathless stories by Barnard English professor "Jennifer" Boylan and his sex change ideology regarding his true womanhood. It went from bad to worse when Boylan wrote a piece the NYT published about how one of his two sons also "became a woman" and how beautiful that was. I'd have even stayed with the NYT if they'd also published something about "Irreversible Damage".
The NYT has been getting just slightly more waffley on the matter as they see how some information regarding the CASS review is making it through to the public, removing body parts from little kids has become unpopular, and the very prominent Dr. Johanna Olson Kennedy is in trouble.
The thing is, they need voices like yours in their comments, and I feel optimistic that the Times is finally becoming aware that readers want more balanced coverage on this and other "woke" issues. I'm continuing my subscription.
Yeah, I get that. The Times does occasionally do some good coverage on this issue. The real breaking point came when the HHS Report on transing kids came out and I couldn't find anything on it at all. I kept looking and trying different search terms, nothing. Then weeks later I found the story. The Times had waited three days, until a Saturday, and then buried the article on page A18 and gotten two young, obvious LBGTQIA++ "allies" to write it too. The story was accurate but extremely biased also. Is this how you report on what's the "American Cass Report"?! This was the last straw and I decided to pull the plug on the TImes.
I'm upset that Kavanaugh described any decision as necessarily harming "some kids". I was expecting a better understanding of what is happening from a conservative justice. Good God.
Yes, that sums up The New York Times coverage on the transgender movement.
In the past, NYT has asked for detransitioner voices, experiences with binders, and so on.
For the most part, we receive censorship.
Endocrinologists have sent in Op-Eds, or Letter to the Editors--they were ignored.
There are obviously gatekeepers at the NYT. (Perhaps even people who have erased their histories.)
I haven't listened to "The Protocol" yet. I appreciate reading this analysis, as well as Eliza Mondegreen, Lisa Selin Davis, The Informed Dissent podcast, and Benjamin Ryan.
How about PITT sending in a guest Op-Ed? Let's all keep a public score of what never sees daylight at the NYT.
I give NYT an 'F' for their efforts. Jamie Reed is to be commended (adding: and the few critical parents NYT managed to get in). The rest of the armchair experts meddling in the lives of youth and their families need to see their days in court. Thanks for writing about the cringeworthy 'protocol' that should not exist because humans are male or female.
I was one of the parents in the last episode. It was a short clip that did not really sum up my feelings. I expressed dismay that a pediatrician would send my then 16 yr old son home with info on the gender clinic and I compared the movement to a religion. The parent after me, I believe was critical too but you are correct in saying the overall message was more supportive of trans than critical.
YouTube Heretic Andrew Gold compares trans to cults he's researched in South America, incl. exorcisms for young women, he also has great interviews with detransitioners, fyi.
Seems like Truth is not found anywhere there. Men cannot become women, women cannot become men. Affirmation Care must be laid in the ash heap of terrible ideas
Rowling says it's worse than last century's lobotomies & false repressed memories combined, canceled detransitioner Exulansic has Death List of @ risk youth who have died because of their elective "gender-affirming care".
Pray my daughter survives, her bearded and breastless self can be restored, I have seen people survive much worse, pray for all our children to survive this absolute horror.
Hi, so, we've been "in it" since TransgenderTrend in the UK and 4thwavenow in the US, the go-to site prior to PITT. Somewhere I read that the 4thwavenow founder, Denise Caignon, who went by another name until her daughter desisted, was interviewed for that Atlantic article & that she went to bed the night before publication thinking her perspective would be included but woke up finding that her voice had been removed because it was critical of "trans". Her daughter got off the trans train prior to taking testosterone. But, that daughter formed a group, Pique Resilience Project, with 3 other young women who went farther down the medical path, receiving medical harm at the hands of doctors and also Planned Parenthood. See https://piqueresproject.com/ Those young women have moved on. I was referred to The Atlantic Article way back when.... and my daughter has only recently begun taking testosterone proscribed by doctors even though it is off label - which is a concept she did not even grasp (I hope the doctors get in legal or criminal trouble someday as I will not forget this).
This article reports on The Atlantic:
"It leaves out the part where she compares the “gender affirming care” she provides to that for diabetes, telling The Atlantic, “I don’t send someone to a therapist when I’m going to start them on insulin”. And it somehow overlooks that Dr Olson-Kennedy suppressed the publication of a $10 million taxpayer-funded study she ran which did not find any improvement in the mental health of children treated with puberty blockers. She claimed the findings would be “weaponized” to gate-keep the treatment." Right? We really have not gotten very far at all.
We need the FDA to speak up NOW PLEASE!
See https://4thwavenow.com/tag/the-atlantic/
And:
"When Denise Caignon’s 17-year-old daughter Chiara came out as a trans man in 2014, she thought it was “cool” at first.
Even though Chiara made her announcement after watching trans-oriented YouTube videos and social media for just a few weeks, Denise said she wasn’t worried.
“The trans thing sounded like it was going to be the next big civil rights issue and I thought, great!” said Denise, who lives in North Carolina. “I didn’t know much about it.”
But when Chiara immediately began talking about undergoing a medical transition, which can involve puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones and surgery, Denise got nervous. Chiara wanted a mastectomy, or what is called “top surgery.”"
https://nypost.com/2022/05/11/meet-the-parents-of-trans-kids-fighting-gender-cult/
Another thing that apparently has been left out of the NYT podcast (in addition to how a regretter can just go get "new breasts" a if breasts were a decorative ornament) is how Dr Olson-Kennedy convinced an 8 year old girl that she is actually to boy with her infamous pop tart analogy (and by the way, President Joe Clinton celebrated 8 year old girls as boys - such a good "moral Catholic").
"Johanna Olson-Kennedy in 2017: "“I just gave him the language”: Top gender doc uses pop tart analogy to persuade 8-year-old girl she’s really a boy"" "Olson-Kennedy is the Medical Director of the Center for Transyouth Health and Development at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles, the largest transgender youth clinic in the US. She delivered these remarks at the inaugural USPATH conference in Los Angeles this past February, as part of a symposium entitled “OUTSIDE OF THE BINARY – CARE FOR NON-BINARY ADOLESCENTS AND YOUNG ADULTS.” "[2:40] And I said, “oh, so …and I completely made this up on the spot, by the way, but …I said, “Do you ever eat pop tarts?” And the kid was like, oh, of course. And I said, “well you know how they come in that foil packet?” Yes. “Well, what if there was a strawberry pop tart in a foil packet, in a box that said ‘Cinnamon Pop Tarts.’? Is it a strawberry pop tart, or a cinnamon pop tart?” Your body is just a wrapper, a piece of foil to be discarded (more like: pumped full of hormones, sterilized and eventually surgically reconfigured) so the “real” self can be revealed. [3:00] The kid’s like, “Duh! A strawberry pop tart.” And I was like, “so…”
https://4thwavenow.com/2017/07/23/i-just-gave-him-the-language-top-gender-doc-uses-pop-tart-analogy-to-persuade-8-year-old-girl-shes-really-a-boy/
Oh that’s harrowing, I’d never heard the pop tart analogy. So glib, that makes my stomach sink
Yes. And, then there is this quack at UCSF:
““Diane Ehrensaft, 'Satanic Panic' Woo Peddler, Now Champions the 'Gender Angels' Among Us
The dangerously consequential career of a quack”
https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/diane-ehrensaft-satanic-panic-woo
Fellow PITT readers (especially those who don't want to listen to all 6 episodes of The Protocol) might enjoy listening to my conversation about it with the brilliant lawyer Glenna Goldis: https://jennypoyerackerman.substack.com/p/episode-38-featuring-glenna-goldis?r=l5fbr
They did talk about the suppression of the study. At some length. I think you didn’t listen to the whole thing.
Considering it was the NYTimes, my expectations were low. I was pleasantly surprised they interviewed some of the relevant figures in this issue, but the reporters bias comes thru in her tone & questions.
In my opinion, Marci Bowers came across as arrogant & obnoxious telling the reporter you can not show both sides.
I hope they will continue to dive deeper & talk to those who have regret.
I’d also like them to dig deeper on the increased number of autistic kids who are being swept up in this cult.
After listening to the entire podcast, I thought that the producers must've requested the montage of voices at the end, to try and make it seem more "balanced." There is so much reported in that podcast that is indefensible, and the advocates for subjecting children and their families to this "Protocol" sound so unsympathetic. The montage of voices seemed tacked on - perhaps an attempt to defray the outrage of the most outrageous.
The most frustrating thing is that The Times will never ever interrogate the IDEA that children can be transgender. They just banter back and forth about the "best ways" to treat this patient cohort that didn't exist at all until only a few years ago. It's like debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin and not realizing that the proposition itself is absurd.
Right, the NYT cannot even discuss that.
“The Myth of the ‘Trans’ Child”
https://x.com/Psychgirl211/status/1830280563908894828
“Why ‘Gender Dysphoria’ is a lie” by Clinical psychologist Pamala Williams”
https://web.archive.org/web/20250120044738/https://dionneinlondon.substack.com/p/why-gender-dysphoria-is-a-lie
I cancelled my NYT subscription because of the way that they were either ignoring or doing extremely biased reporting on this subject. When their article "The Strange Report That's Fueling the War On Trans Kids" (about the CASS review) came out in August 2024 I made a comment on it. I was used to the Times not allowing my comments to be published so I didn't think much about it when I didn't get a notice that my comment was approved. Then yesterday, exactly 9 MONTHS later I get an email "Your comment has been approved!" These approval notices usually come through in minutes, maybe an hour or two at the most. This massive delay never happened before and I have no idea how it even did happen. It's maybe just an algo glitch, but to me it's a hilarious example of how the TImes will either ignore or suppress the voices they don't want to hear. Just one very small example amongst hundreds. When I cancelled my subscription I wrote to them that they had become a LBGTQIA++ advocacy group and not a news outlet anymore. Won't make a bit of difference of course but I could no longer support the NY Times.
This is so bizarre. So are they going to publish your comment, 9 months after the fact?
I canceled my NYT subscription when they never covered Dr. Lisa Litman's study or Abigail Shrier's book while instead publishing breathless stories by Barnard English professor "Jennifer" Boylan and his sex change ideology regarding his true womanhood. It went from bad to worse when Boylan wrote a piece the NYT published about how one of his two sons also "became a woman" and how beautiful that was. I'd have even stayed with the NYT if they'd also published something about "Irreversible Damage".
The NYT has been getting just slightly more waffley on the matter as they see how some information regarding the CASS review is making it through to the public, removing body parts from little kids has become unpopular, and the very prominent Dr. Johanna Olson Kennedy is in trouble.
The thing is, they need voices like yours in their comments, and I feel optimistic that the Times is finally becoming aware that readers want more balanced coverage on this and other "woke" issues. I'm continuing my subscription.
Yeah, I get that. The Times does occasionally do some good coverage on this issue. The real breaking point came when the HHS Report on transing kids came out and I couldn't find anything on it at all. I kept looking and trying different search terms, nothing. Then weeks later I found the story. The Times had waited three days, until a Saturday, and then buried the article on page A18 and gotten two young, obvious LBGTQIA++ "allies" to write it too. The story was accurate but extremely biased also. Is this how you report on what's the "American Cass Report"?! This was the last straw and I decided to pull the plug on the TImes.
Thanks for summarising, saved me wasting time on the nyt. I guess it is positive that there is some kind of debate depicted in this podcast series...
I'm upset that Kavanaugh described any decision as necessarily harming "some kids". I was expecting a better understanding of what is happening from a conservative justice. Good God.
Sounds like my blood pressure will rise if I watch this. I’ll skip it.
"None of these were aired."
Yes, that sums up The New York Times coverage on the transgender movement.
In the past, NYT has asked for detransitioner voices, experiences with binders, and so on.
For the most part, we receive censorship.
Endocrinologists have sent in Op-Eds, or Letter to the Editors--they were ignored.
There are obviously gatekeepers at the NYT. (Perhaps even people who have erased their histories.)
I haven't listened to "The Protocol" yet. I appreciate reading this analysis, as well as Eliza Mondegreen, Lisa Selin Davis, The Informed Dissent podcast, and Benjamin Ryan.
How about PITT sending in a guest Op-Ed? Let's all keep a public score of what never sees daylight at the NYT.
I give NYT an 'F' for their efforts. Jamie Reed is to be commended (adding: and the few critical parents NYT managed to get in). The rest of the armchair experts meddling in the lives of youth and their families need to see their days in court. Thanks for writing about the cringeworthy 'protocol' that should not exist because humans are male or female.
Why? They're actually allowing views that dissent from the status quo. This is progress.
I was one of the parents in the last episode. It was a short clip that did not really sum up my feelings. I expressed dismay that a pediatrician would send my then 16 yr old son home with info on the gender clinic and I compared the movement to a religion. The parent after me, I believe was critical too but you are correct in saying the overall message was more supportive of trans than critical.
YouTube Heretic Andrew Gold compares trans to cults he's researched in South America, incl. exorcisms for young women, he also has great interviews with detransitioners, fyi.
Thank you for speaking out.
Seems like Truth is not found anywhere there. Men cannot become women, women cannot become men. Affirmation Care must be laid in the ash heap of terrible ideas
Rowling says it's worse than last century's lobotomies & false repressed memories combined, canceled detransitioner Exulansic has Death List of @ risk youth who have died because of their elective "gender-affirming care".
Pray my daughter survives, her bearded and breastless self can be restored, I have seen people survive much worse, pray for all our children to survive this absolute horror.