A child fell down a rabbit hole. This parent tried hanging ropes into this deep hole, but eventually hope vanished. Shouting down into the hole was met with silence, only my own voice echoed back. After years of heartbreak there was nothing else that could be done, except pray.
I feel your pain! We just avoid names and pronouns completely. It's hard but achievable. I have now reached out to Matt Walsh and Chris Rufo through email. Next, is Dennis Prager. Hopefully I will get a response from at least one of them. No one is talking about how this insidious cult is destroying families. WE parents need to speak out. It's time to tell our side of the story. I have been terrified to say anything publicly for fear of losing my relationship with my daughter. I'm tired of being quiet. Maybe if enough of us reached out to these people they might consider creating a documentary on the horror of losing our children to this evil cult. Who knows? I think it's worth a try.
This is why those in power, who aren't personally affected, like people in the media should just refuse to play the game. I even hear some of the few famous who say no to the cult, look down as if they are ashamed and say the pronouns they are ordered to say. More with with power refusing could make all the difference.
And if they also ridiculed the mess, then it would be easier to see how silly it is, instead of all the somber genuflections. It's trendy and such a way for people to feel so important, so taking any part of that game away would help.
I want you all to know how much I appreciate this group. Some days PITT just helps me so much, to pull through the darkness.
I also wanted to share with all of my PITT peeps, a little glimmer in the darkness that happened today. My husband and I took my daughter, who is entrenched in this ideology, on a scheduled college tour. Though she still put on her boy costume, she never once used the other name she has for herself only her real name, which is huge because ordinarily she demands he/they & the boy name. No pushback, no eye roll, no attitude. Today was a win:) and I’ll take it. We have to keep praying and talking and working through this!
Don't you love this little wins? I live for them, even though they give me false hope that is often cut back down to size, I still enjoy them in the moment. They give me a space to remember what things were like BEFORE....
This seems like a huge breakthrough, or at least some sense that she is unsure. I can’t imagine my daughter doing this and if she did , I would be overwhelmed with a glimpse of the fact that she is still holding onto the truth.
Big Pharma is profiteering off the backs of thousands of vulnerable children and their worried, confused parents. I have seen a friend’s child go through it and pray my son won’t.
Everything can be sorted with a hormone, or blocker, a procedure, a med…. Except it can’t and much of the damage is irreversible. It’s downright despicable.
always remember your child didn't fall into the rabbit hole, she was pushed. by teachers and consolers, therapist and every branch of government from the schoolboard to the governor .
the evil in this society is off the charts , and I am sorry your daughter has become a victim .
My child has gone down that same rabbit hole. And honestly, my heart is broken. I will never be the same, no matter how this plays out. I don’t know what to say other than that you are not alone. Our children are being stolen from us. And schools, doctors and government are participating. It is not because they care about our babies. It is part of a larger agenda. Our kids are the sacrifice. They are collateral damage. And it is not something I can accept or forgive.
Yes. Our children are being stolen. And it's a daily challenge to not push away the gaslit loyal team blue people in my life who are not also enraged. But that will create Isolation on top of grief. It's a terrible plight in every direction for parents.
I have to push them away. I don’t expect them to feel it as deeply as I do. But I consider the willful ignorance crowd to be complicit. It’s better for me to be alone than deal with them. But I am an introvert so that might make it easier for me. And I am angry so I don’t really trust myself not to lose my temper. It’s hanging by a thread most days.
Julie I feel like exactly the same way. I have pushed my ‘blue’ family away too. Until I am strong enough to verbalize my anger & knowledge calmly I just can’t face them. It is a terribly lonely place to be & I am so grateful & support those that are able to speak out on our behalf. Comfort yourself that you are not wrong & you are an honest person. We have to believe in truth, love & humanity.
You try to find a way to connect and get around the wall they put up. But feel stymied at every turn. We'll always love them, but as the song says sometimes love isn't enough.
My immediate family noticed years ago, that my son would struggle for a feminine voice in the beginning, but defer to his natural voice within each conversation- how exhausting! I never went along with opposite sex pronouns. But since Oregon issued him a new name(and sex) I have no choice but to use that name when mailing packages. I'm also embarrassed for him, and not really compelled to associate his lovely, thoughtfully chosen masculine name with his state sanctioned name and identity(in case he remembers who is one day). To those who say, "just say no", it is more of a conundrum than you realise.
On the same line as your son with the voice thing...My daughter will be herself at home, then we go out it’s a whole costume...the voice deepens, she wears boyish clothes and a binder, she tries to alter her walk & stance as to mimic that of a guy. It would be hilarious, if it weren’t so sad ;( But when we get home, she’s back to herself. Bizarre.
Media continues to gaslight, for example, without telling you the survey questions tell you that "the majority of adults support trans athletes competing against the sex they feel like"
No survey questions, survey done before the pandemic and explosion in trans ID, and a pretty small sample of under 4K people.
- you have to click through to the website for the actual study to find out when the survey was done.
After more than a year of intensive work in planning the survey project and then designing, testing, and preparing the survey instrument, the data collection efforts began in Fall of 2018 and ended in Spring of 2019. https://nsass.org/
And they weighted the numbers, which given how they present the "findings" it would suggest that their unreleased raw data doesn't say what they want it to say.
"By using statistical weights based on age, gender, race, education, work status, marital status, income, and region differentials, the researchers aimed to create a representative sample of the U.S. adult population and ensure that the results were not biased towards any particular group."
- yeah, right.
it's gaslighting. It's old data, it's massaged data, based on a small survey. It's what anyone who can critically think can see as junk science.
But it's out there, and it's out there to make people think questioning the TRA narrative is an extreme minority position. It isn't.
Anyone who sees this for what it is has the capacity for critical thinking and not just believing information being handed to us. On the other side of this, the delusional side, the opposite happens...someone says it’s true, well then it must be true! What?!? People have lost the capacity to think for themselves.
And the young female teachers are keeping an eagle eye on the older teachers to make sure they aren't harming the trans and nonbinary students by misgendering them. If they slip up, there will be a report!
There's a news story today about a 13 year old groomed on Twitter to run away, who was abducted and molested. Why people believe that this can't happen with the explosion of trans ID kids is strictly wishful thinking.
What I want to see is a news story where adults go on the tween-centric social media pretending to be depressed/confused etc. kids and see how long it takes for them to be told to "crack their egg" and "If you even question if you're trans you're trans because only trans people ever question"
This is not a direct reaction to the essay but more of a general rant, and I hope that's okay. It is related to some posts down the chain.
I read this on Reddit detrans recently, written by a detransitioned female:
"I hate existing in this body. I hate that the fact I was born into this specific body makes people judge me particular ways. I hate that men ogle me. I hate that I can’t even talk to a person of the male sex at somewhere random like a bar, without their eyes lighting up like a wolf ready to eat me. I hate that I can’t fucking exist without being seen as an object or commodity. I hate that I can’t even make male friends because they’ll always secretly (or blatantly) want to hook up with me."
I expected people to react with some "poor you, first-world problems" snark, but all the commenters were very sympathetic. As a Boomer who is not prone to sympathy for the problems of abundance, this is what I thought about after I read this:
I used to attend exercise classes at a gym, and a woman would come sometimes who had been in a fire. She kept a hat on because she had no hair. Every inch of her face was badly scarred, her hands too. She needed to keep little straws in her nostrils to keep them open. I don't recall whether she had ears or if they had been burnt off. A couple times I heard her speak to her friend and I was amazed that she spoke like a normal person. She was just like everyone else, just in a body that had been completely disfigured (and living with the psychological burden of that). Even many women with average looks are willing to spend tens of thousands and take risks with their health to be a little more sexually appealing, and yet to this girl pities herself as a victim because she is attractive to men.
What is wrong with this generation? It is an insufferable burden for them to be attractive (or too normal, or too financially secure). I understand that they are exposed to dreadful, misogynist porn and that could be causing women to feel very vulnerable, but I believe many in this generation have a pathological inability to feel gratitude. Do they need to come as close as possible to destroying themselves and then rebuild themselves again with some humility and gratitude?
I agree with everything you say. And to add to that, there is the vulnerable maybe less confident young male growing up vilified & honestly quite terrified of even looking at girls. They don’t want to be seen to be ‘that’ guy. And so they do not engage & spend even more time on their phones & are drawn to the realms of fantasy. Jeez, how did this happen
…which is all normal ‘growing up’ stuff we have dealt with forever. Only now, you can ‘get help’ All in good faith, go & seek help, look after your mental health, share your teenage angst with a counselor..& so it begins. Believe in yourself, you can be who you want to be & we will ‘help’ you get there. And parents? You’d better help too.
With all the good intentions that come with creating a more equal world, boys have lost their place somewhat. They are not celebrated, they shoulder a lot of learned guilt. At least our boys, & we are not alone. All of us parents of sons & daughters are suffering on this platform. It’s ridiculous, except it’s not
And it’s strange that those sensitive boys who want to be on the side of girls end up becoming misogynistic transactivists. As a older feminist, at what point does my son, whom I see as vulnerable and, to some degree, a victim of cultural forces, become my enemy?
That’s the part I am dumbfounded. I want to tell him, WE are not your enemy. It’s so sad, I can’t fathom the power this has. To totally destroy the parent/child relationship. To completely dismiss our opinion & advice. They are getting some serious indoctrination/brainwashing. When will they wake up & how much damage will have been done.
It's just so lazy! So much easier to have a victim identity than it is to work hard to achieve something and slowly earn recognition for what you accomplish and contribute. I know I sound like I'm older than the hills.
They might like to think they’re socialists, but they are the ideal consumers. Pharma, med, and tech are laughing all the way to the bank. And as long as insurance keeps paying for the “life-saving” hormones and surgeries, it doesn’t matter if these consumers spend their adult lives serving lattes and washing dogs for minimum wage.
I love the last line! And it resonates with so many of us.
I know the truth.
I feel your pain! We just avoid names and pronouns completely. It's hard but achievable. I have now reached out to Matt Walsh and Chris Rufo through email. Next, is Dennis Prager. Hopefully I will get a response from at least one of them. No one is talking about how this insidious cult is destroying families. WE parents need to speak out. It's time to tell our side of the story. I have been terrified to say anything publicly for fear of losing my relationship with my daughter. I'm tired of being quiet. Maybe if enough of us reached out to these people they might consider creating a documentary on the horror of losing our children to this evil cult. Who knows? I think it's worth a try.
This is why those in power, who aren't personally affected, like people in the media should just refuse to play the game. I even hear some of the few famous who say no to the cult, look down as if they are ashamed and say the pronouns they are ordered to say. More with with power refusing could make all the difference.
And if they also ridiculed the mess, then it would be easier to see how silly it is, instead of all the somber genuflections. It's trendy and such a way for people to feel so important, so taking any part of that game away would help.
I agree xx
I want you all to know how much I appreciate this group. Some days PITT just helps me so much, to pull through the darkness.
I also wanted to share with all of my PITT peeps, a little glimmer in the darkness that happened today. My husband and I took my daughter, who is entrenched in this ideology, on a scheduled college tour. Though she still put on her boy costume, she never once used the other name she has for herself only her real name, which is huge because ordinarily she demands he/they & the boy name. No pushback, no eye roll, no attitude. Today was a win:) and I’ll take it. We have to keep praying and talking and working through this!
Don't you love this little wins? I live for them, even though they give me false hope that is often cut back down to size, I still enjoy them in the moment. They give me a space to remember what things were like BEFORE....
This seems like a huge breakthrough, or at least some sense that she is unsure. I can’t imagine my daughter doing this and if she did , I would be overwhelmed with a glimpse of the fact that she is still holding onto the truth.
That is the hope.
The Dots definately Connect
https://www.theepochtimes.com/leaving-california-the-untold-story-documentary_5185259.html?utm_source=share-btn-copylink
Ever wonder Why Social Security is bankrupt?
When you do bad things your resources will run out,
https://youtu.be/QwO06p6xf3I
Big Pharma is profiteering off the backs of thousands of vulnerable children and their worried, confused parents. I have seen a friend’s child go through it and pray my son won’t.
Everything can be sorted with a hormone, or blocker, a procedure, a med…. Except it can’t and much of the damage is irreversible. It’s downright despicable.
always remember your child didn't fall into the rabbit hole, she was pushed. by teachers and consolers, therapist and every branch of government from the schoolboard to the governor .
the evil in this society is off the charts , and I am sorry your daughter has become a victim .
My child has gone down that same rabbit hole. And honestly, my heart is broken. I will never be the same, no matter how this plays out. I don’t know what to say other than that you are not alone. Our children are being stolen from us. And schools, doctors and government are participating. It is not because they care about our babies. It is part of a larger agenda. Our kids are the sacrifice. They are collateral damage. And it is not something I can accept or forgive.
Yes. Our children are being stolen. And it's a daily challenge to not push away the gaslit loyal team blue people in my life who are not also enraged. But that will create Isolation on top of grief. It's a terrible plight in every direction for parents.
Oh yes, I hear you. That gaslit loyal team blue, if pushed away, leaves me completely solo 💔
I have to push them away. I don’t expect them to feel it as deeply as I do. But I consider the willful ignorance crowd to be complicit. It’s better for me to be alone than deal with them. But I am an introvert so that might make it easier for me. And I am angry so I don’t really trust myself not to lose my temper. It’s hanging by a thread most days.
Julie I feel like exactly the same way. I have pushed my ‘blue’ family away too. Until I am strong enough to verbalize my anger & knowledge calmly I just can’t face them. It is a terribly lonely place to be & I am so grateful & support those that are able to speak out on our behalf. Comfort yourself that you are not wrong & you are an honest person. We have to believe in truth, love & humanity.
You try to find a way to connect and get around the wall they put up. But feel stymied at every turn. We'll always love them, but as the song says sometimes love isn't enough.
My immediate family noticed years ago, that my son would struggle for a feminine voice in the beginning, but defer to his natural voice within each conversation- how exhausting! I never went along with opposite sex pronouns. But since Oregon issued him a new name(and sex) I have no choice but to use that name when mailing packages. I'm also embarrassed for him, and not really compelled to associate his lovely, thoughtfully chosen masculine name with his state sanctioned name and identity(in case he remembers who is one day). To those who say, "just say no", it is more of a conundrum than you realise.
On the same line as your son with the voice thing...My daughter will be herself at home, then we go out it’s a whole costume...the voice deepens, she wears boyish clothes and a binder, she tries to alter her walk & stance as to mimic that of a guy. It would be hilarious, if it weren’t so sad ;( But when we get home, she’s back to herself. Bizarre.
That is my experience, too.
Mostly my daughter
https://youtu.be/Su2Z4_iQHz4
Love Miriam Grossman!! She speaks truth!!
Hugs and prayers. I battle the same with a Trans daughter. The struggle is real.
I placed mine to the the feet of the cross so I can survive.
Many blessings
Media continues to gaslight, for example, without telling you the survey questions tell you that "the majority of adults support trans athletes competing against the sex they feel like"
No survey questions, survey done before the pandemic and explosion in trans ID, and a pretty small sample of under 4K people.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/relationships/majority-of-u-s-adults-support-transgender-athletes-right-to-choose-which-gender-they-compete-with/ar-AA1ak277?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=9784a0d77a1d4e79fee5f22c8e5007f1&ei=12
- you have to click through to the website for the actual study to find out when the survey was done.
After more than a year of intensive work in planning the survey project and then designing, testing, and preparing the survey instrument, the data collection efforts began in Fall of 2018 and ended in Spring of 2019. https://nsass.org/
And they weighted the numbers, which given how they present the "findings" it would suggest that their unreleased raw data doesn't say what they want it to say.
"By using statistical weights based on age, gender, race, education, work status, marital status, income, and region differentials, the researchers aimed to create a representative sample of the U.S. adult population and ensure that the results were not biased towards any particular group."
- yeah, right.
it's gaslighting. It's old data, it's massaged data, based on a small survey. It's what anyone who can critically think can see as junk science.
But it's out there, and it's out there to make people think questioning the TRA narrative is an extreme minority position. It isn't.
Anyone who sees this for what it is has the capacity for critical thinking and not just believing information being handed to us. On the other side of this, the delusional side, the opposite happens...someone says it’s true, well then it must be true! What?!? People have lost the capacity to think for themselves.
And the young female teachers are keeping an eagle eye on the older teachers to make sure they aren't harming the trans and nonbinary students by misgendering them. If they slip up, there will be a report!
That's disgusting. When did the youth become more wise than the elders.....? make a me sick
There's a news story today about a 13 year old groomed on Twitter to run away, who was abducted and molested. Why people believe that this can't happen with the explosion of trans ID kids is strictly wishful thinking.
What I want to see is a news story where adults go on the tween-centric social media pretending to be depressed/confused etc. kids and see how long it takes for them to be told to "crack their egg" and "If you even question if you're trans you're trans because only trans people ever question"
touches my heart. I get you. Keep speaking truth.
This is not a direct reaction to the essay but more of a general rant, and I hope that's okay. It is related to some posts down the chain.
I read this on Reddit detrans recently, written by a detransitioned female:
"I hate existing in this body. I hate that the fact I was born into this specific body makes people judge me particular ways. I hate that men ogle me. I hate that I can’t even talk to a person of the male sex at somewhere random like a bar, without their eyes lighting up like a wolf ready to eat me. I hate that I can’t fucking exist without being seen as an object or commodity. I hate that I can’t even make male friends because they’ll always secretly (or blatantly) want to hook up with me."
I expected people to react with some "poor you, first-world problems" snark, but all the commenters were very sympathetic. As a Boomer who is not prone to sympathy for the problems of abundance, this is what I thought about after I read this:
I used to attend exercise classes at a gym, and a woman would come sometimes who had been in a fire. She kept a hat on because she had no hair. Every inch of her face was badly scarred, her hands too. She needed to keep little straws in her nostrils to keep them open. I don't recall whether she had ears or if they had been burnt off. A couple times I heard her speak to her friend and I was amazed that she spoke like a normal person. She was just like everyone else, just in a body that had been completely disfigured (and living with the psychological burden of that). Even many women with average looks are willing to spend tens of thousands and take risks with their health to be a little more sexually appealing, and yet to this girl pities herself as a victim because she is attractive to men.
What is wrong with this generation? It is an insufferable burden for them to be attractive (or too normal, or too financially secure). I understand that they are exposed to dreadful, misogynist porn and that could be causing women to feel very vulnerable, but I believe many in this generation have a pathological inability to feel gratitude. Do they need to come as close as possible to destroying themselves and then rebuild themselves again with some humility and gratitude?
I agree with everything you say. And to add to that, there is the vulnerable maybe less confident young male growing up vilified & honestly quite terrified of even looking at girls. They don’t want to be seen to be ‘that’ guy. And so they do not engage & spend even more time on their phones & are drawn to the realms of fantasy. Jeez, how did this happen
I think that’s what happened to my son. He wanted to be an ally to the girls and he couldn’t compete with the more confident boys.
…which is all normal ‘growing up’ stuff we have dealt with forever. Only now, you can ‘get help’ All in good faith, go & seek help, look after your mental health, share your teenage angst with a counselor..& so it begins. Believe in yourself, you can be who you want to be & we will ‘help’ you get there. And parents? You’d better help too.
With all the good intentions that come with creating a more equal world, boys have lost their place somewhat. They are not celebrated, they shoulder a lot of learned guilt. At least our boys, & we are not alone. All of us parents of sons & daughters are suffering on this platform. It’s ridiculous, except it’s not
And it’s strange that those sensitive boys who want to be on the side of girls end up becoming misogynistic transactivists. As a older feminist, at what point does my son, whom I see as vulnerable and, to some degree, a victim of cultural forces, become my enemy?
That’s the part I am dumbfounded. I want to tell him, WE are not your enemy. It’s so sad, I can’t fathom the power this has. To totally destroy the parent/child relationship. To completely dismiss our opinion & advice. They are getting some serious indoctrination/brainwashing. When will they wake up & how much damage will have been done.
It's their online communities. And a need to be the victim, because right now being a victim gives them what they think is power.
It's just so lazy! So much easier to have a victim identity than it is to work hard to achieve something and slowly earn recognition for what you accomplish and contribute. I know I sound like I'm older than the hills.
Yes, but then they would be capitalists and that wouldn't serve a socialist govt that depends on people being kept low and in a victim mentality.
They might like to think they’re socialists, but they are the ideal consumers. Pharma, med, and tech are laughing all the way to the bank. And as long as insurance keeps paying for the “life-saving” hormones and surgeries, it doesn’t matter if these consumers spend their adult lives serving lattes and washing dogs for minimum wage.