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Eleganta's avatar

I've found that one phrase gets through the armor of most liberal women: "Please don't hate me."

It's amazing how deeply we women are programmed to react to the words "Don't hate me."

Women with their mouths open to tell you you're a hateful transphobe will close it. Shift gears. Take a step back. Reconsider their words.

All of a sudden they see themselves in the role of the hater. And they'll do almost anything to get out of it--even open their minds.

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Hecate Roads's avatar

Hi! I read all the comments on my post, and I agree. I should've been far more specific in my note. I don't support adults being handed gender meds when they are young and haven't been evaluated for other comorbidities or after they've been brainwashed into this stuff. My kid is an "adult," and I 100% agree with the commenters below. I was wrong and I apologize for not making that point more clearly. I should have chosen my words more carefully, and I apologize for any upset this may have caused. I am truly sorry.

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Eleganta's avatar

My brother is 65 years old and has only decided he's a woman in the past few years.

I wrote to him and told him if I ever cross paths with him in a female-only space, I will kick him out so hard he'll feel it for the rest of his life.

NO men get to "identify" as women. ZERO. Oppressors don't get to "identify" as the people they oppress.

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ARaf4's avatar

I was in agreement until the end. My son was 18 when he went to PP, who referred him to a gender clinic, who prescribed him estrogen after 1 visit. He’s now 19, & recently diagnosed with autism. Adults who fall prey to this ideology, are those with underlying, often undiagnosed, mental health issues AND a good portion are autistic. We need to stop saying it’s ok for adults to mutilate their healthy bodies.

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Hecate Roads's avatar

Hi! I read all the comments on my post, and I agree. I should've been far more specific in my note. I don't support adults being handed gender meds when they are young and haven't been evaluated for other comorbidities or after they've been brainwashed into this stuff. My kid is an "adult," and I 100% agree with the commenters below. I was wrong, and I apologize for not making that point more clearly. I should have chosen my words more carefully, and I apologize for any upset this may have caused. I am truly sorry. If the moderators of PITT could add this coda to the post, I would so appreciate it.

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PITT welcomes all parents struggling with gender ideology but doesn't endorse all opinions expressed.

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Hecate Roads's avatar

Hi! I read all the comments on my post, and I agree. I should've been far more specific in my note. I don't support adults being handed gender meds when they are young and haven't been evaluated for other comorbidities or after they've been brainwashed into this stuff. My kid is an "adult," and I 100% agree with the commenters below. I was wrong and I apologize for not making that point more clearly. I should have chosen my words more carefully, and I apologize for any upset this may have caused. I am truly sorry. If the moderators of PITT could add this coda to the post, I would so appreciate it : APOLOGY: I want to apologize for the note I added to this original post. I agree. I was wrong. I apologize for any upset this may have caused. I am truly sorry. I want to revise what I said and conclude with this instead:

Young adults and people with certain comorbidities are also in danger of being preyed upon by this new “standard of care.” As many of you pointed out, this generation has been stewing in extremist ideology for years, was deeply affected by the pandemic, and may not have had access to an autism evaluation.

This cannot continue without safeguards for vulnerable adults.

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Adri Mans's avatar

There is a lot of information there, thanks!

Still I think you are wrong. People who are ideological driven are hard to talk too, that is why they are ideological driven, they do not care about FACTS so only do that approach with people who really want to know, being the clue word here "really"and not to find the opportunity to insult you. Don't waste your time. The people who really care about their friends' transgender kids will do research or look up in the internet, nobody has excuses because everything is in the internet (although you have to be careful). Now, you called your daughter lesbian, why, because she feels attracted to girls? you know that it also could be because she feels inadequate as a woman? Be gay is not an identity and a young person who has a lot of different issues are not in position to decide those things, we are not born gay (many studies by now have been made about the genetics of being gay or a "gay gene", none have found) it doesn't matter what Lady gaga has to say. Then you wrote that you support adults being transgender but those adults being transgender started at a young age the most of them, of course no the narcissists as Catlin Jenner a person that deprived his daughters from having a Father. So that means when your daughter IF she transitions you will respect her being a transgender because she is an adult? I don't support transgenderism in any way, transgender adults generally do apologists about being transgender and they are dangerous for problematic teenagers, they set a bad example, sadly it is the society we live in, where the young look for certainty outside their homes because they have broken homes, the most of them, or indifferent parents who put their jobs and careers before the life of their children, or materialists parents who "buy" the love of their children. In the past we have also men who dressed like women and lived like "women" but we always thought that they were special or crazy and they live their lives how they did want but it was a different society, everybody knew that they had issues, they never normalized madness so we kept them contained, they were not sample of anything and the young never looked up to them or look for becoming them one day. They were left alone but nobody celebrated they choices. All that had changed, that fascination is having its first victims, our children, we see the results now of that fascination as sterilization, castration, hurtful practices as mastectomies, self violence by the drugs and hormones that stopped the normal development of the body. We are not civilized, we are not better than the pagans that allowed human sacrifices, pedophilia (because many of those children will be victims of pedophiles that want them forever children). In the past a parent had the right to castrated his son to have a better voice if they want them to pursuit Opera. NO HUMAN can't change their sex, to think otherwise is to be mad or had lost any sense of reality. They can pretend for the rest of their lives to be something that has some resemblance with the opposite sex but when they die and some archeological team dig up his or hers bones they will established their real sex. So it is time to choose, we cannot have two masters, Good or Evil, or we decide to fight with all our souls against these lies and call mental sickness by its name, or we decide to try to navigate the waters of an ideological landscape that oppose all facts and reality and propitiate the destruction of humans beings. In one side you will ended up being a triumphant example for humanity and future generations that stand for what is true and never caved, in the other side you will be part of the problem.

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Hecate Roads's avatar

I want to apologize for the note I added to this original post. I agree. I was wrong. I apologize for any upset this may have caused. I am truly sorry.

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Notorious P.A.T.'s avatar

Thank you for sharing this.

Speaking of science, I am still waiting for scientific proof that there is a "gender" in the human brain, let alone that this "gender" is so important that the body must be altered to match it.

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Catherine Dubuque's avatar

Agree. I never, ever use the word gender. I use the correct term, sex. Gender to me is a captured word.

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Eleganta's avatar

I use the word gender all the time. Because it's different from sex.

Gender is the tool of violent patriarchy used to distinguish between the sex to be oppressed--females--and the sex who get to do the oppressing--males.

Feminists have spent half-a-century DESTROYING gender. So no actual feminist would ever in a million years condone enshrining gender into law. Holy toledo.

This is why we fight the government replacing the word "sex" with "gender."

Single-sex and same-sex mean single-sex and same-sex. Always have, and always will.

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Simone Hogan's avatar

Nicely written, but in as much as “adult” is anyone over the age of 18, I cannot support your final note. How many 18 year olds do you know who have the brain power to make life altering decisions?

Trans medicalization should be banned for anyone under 25. Let them fully grow their brains before deciding they don’t need fertility, bone mass, a functioning urinary tract and similar things.

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Hecate Roads's avatar

I agree. I was wrong, and I apologize for not making that point more clearly. I should have chosen my words more carefully, and I apologize for any upset this may have caused. I am truly sorry.

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Jana's avatar

Exactly. This would just be a return to the safeguarding of the past. Self ID destroyed safeguarding with disastrous results.

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Atra's avatar

It wouldn't be a return to the safeguarding of the past, there were people in the past who got these procedures well before 25.

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Simone Hogan's avatar

Wanted to add, to the person who commented that an 18 year old can be deployed to operate a war ship (comment was apparently pulled?): when an 18 year old gets to the army, they have training, and a scaffolding of adult support systems guiding them. Trans medicalization is quite the opposite - adults guiding kids in the wrong direction, neglecting to explain side effects and citing research that has been disproven.

In addition, the vast majority of trans kids struggle with mental health issues. Not your average 18 year old.

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Advocate for Truth's avatar

This article lit such a fire in me that I compiled all of my comments into one response article here: https://substack.com/@ghostwriter2001/note/p-170418374?r=2k5kzw&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action

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Kelly Ward's avatar

Thank you for your thoughtful writing. I also have a lot of 'lefty' friends who I speak with about this topic. However, I do disagree with you on the libertarian approach for adults. Are adults truly getting informed consent? Is the research on these treatments good? Can vulnerable adults with co-existing conditions give informed consent? In a for profit medical system can we trust that everyone is acting ethically? It is cosmetic treatment and should be treated as such by insurance. And those involved should be honest... humans can not change their sex.

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Hecate Roads's avatar

I agree. I was wrong. I should have chosen my words more carefully, and I apologize for any upset this may have caused. I am truly sorry.

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Simone Hogan's avatar

I am thrilled that the FTC has taken on the battle against the unethical push towards medicalization.

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PS's avatar

“I support adults doing whatever they need to feel happy and well, as long as they aren’t hurting themselves or others.”

My daughter was 15 in 2020, and like so many of your daughters, she fell prey to Discord chats, DeviantArt fetish pages, and YouTube transgender influencers during the pandemic. She went to the GSA meetings, started experiencing what used to be called “teen angst,” and along with several of her friends, began identifying as the opposite sex and using male pronouns and a different name.

In retrospect we should have taken her phone and computer away immediately and begun homeschooling, probably should have moved to a smaller community. So much we should have done. Hindsight is, ahem…2020. But we did not affirm and were very clear that we were concerned—because like so many of your children SHE NEVER GAVE ANY INDICATION BEFORE 2020 THAT SHE EXPERIENCED ANY GENDER DYSPHORIA. This was textbook sudden onset.

Well, that 15 year old is 20 now. She has continued with her social transition and has the support of her affirming friends and co-workers. She says she “feels so much joy” in this identity (her perma-scowl, slouched body, and black baggy clothes beg to differ.) We no longer financially support her and she makes her own decisions. And one of those decisions, she announced last night, is to begin taking hormones.

I am heartbroken. I am so angry, sad, scared for her, very protective over her much younger siblings who worship her. I feel like she’s slipped even deeper. We were calm, we told her we love her but we don’t approve or support this decision.

So supporting adults “making decisions for their happiness and wellness”…many of these adults were kids recently, and very troubled ones at that. You don’t just turn 18 and omg suddenly medical transition is the best idea ever, yaay!

Jeez.

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Hecate Roads's avatar

I agree. I was wrong. I should have chosen my words more carefully, and I apologize for any upset this may have caused. I am truly sorry.

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PS's avatar

Oh gosh. Thank you.

I’m sorry. I could have been less caustic in my comment. Your article came on the exact day my 20 year old told us she was starting medical transition. It hit all the nerves. It’s not like I need everyone, or anyone to agree with me, but I’m a little raw right now.

Thank you for replying so thoughtfully. ❤️

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Hecate Roads's avatar

My heart is with you. I'm so sorry.

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Chris's avatar

I am so sorry for your heartbreaking new reality. I remember the utter agony my husband and I felt when our 18-year old sent us an email announcing this, from far away college. Allow yourself to grieve and feel all the terrible emotions. For us, it was 4 years ago. The crying finally ended but we still do not affirm or support this nightmare.

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3dEdited

Thank you so much. It is grief. I go through the day and every 2-5 minutes my heart breaks. Or I rage with anger. Or I future-trip. Unlike an actual death, I can’t talk about it lest I be labeled a bigot/abusive parent. I’ve let people in my life know in a vague way that our family is going through something difficult, but I almost feel angry that if they knew, they might very well support gender ideology and take this as wonderful news.

How can someone be so selfish? I feel like she’s being so selfish, that we are in a time when it’s so important to “live your truth” and “do what feels good,” no matter who it impacts. I hate internet culture, Reddit, Instagram, woo woo self help, all this ego driven madness. I am so angry. And I have nowhere to put it but a Substack comment section??? Even our church supports trans ideology. My therapist has been helpful but her website and intake forms indicate a Safe Space. So my Safe Space is either some ultra conservative Evangelical platform or the PITT Substack. And she gets to have the support and encouragement of all her friends, co workers, friends’ parents, her cis/het boyfriend, libraries, hospitals.

And I’m just her bigot mom. I’m sorry, this is all very unbecoming. I’m just losing my mind.

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Hecate Roads's avatar

I understand how you feel. I've felt like I was losing my mind, too. Even my husband seemed to think I was being unreasonable when I refused to go along with this ideology. The first person I had to learn how to talk to about it was him. It seems like you have a whole community here, and I do believe the tide will turn.

Adolescents are supposed to be selfish... they are trying to figure out who they are. The adults around them are supposed to guide them, not indoctrinate them into deeper self-delusion. We are failing children on so many fronts - screens, social media, isolation, and gender mutilation. It takes a lot of strength and discernment not to go along, but still love and honor these difficult teenager years. I'm proud of you.

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Chris's avatar

We're all here for you! Everything you said is spot on. At least there is more awareness about this than a few years ago. It is so maddening! My daughter went no contact about a year into it. We miss her terribly! Try to keep close to yours. The way you feel is a totally normal reaction with this. I still have strong bouts of despair and anger. Remember that you are loved and to always stick to the truth!

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Deadnames's avatar

I appreciate the care that you have taken to pose these big questions but I really don't have to do this with anyone, let alone my friends.

If someone is willing to start a conversation about this topic then I believe I have the right to say it how I feel & I know it to be.

The only "out" I ever give someone when they broach this topic is, "Do you really want to know what I think?".

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Simone Hogan's avatar

I have found that people will back-pedal rather rapidly, when confronted with actual research.

Oh, so you support gender affirming care? Have you read the Cass report? Did you know that the WPATH guidelines are based on a very small, and very flawed Dutch study that was based on a completely different cohort of patients?

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Robin's avatar

Here is a useful article about how some "friends" who continue to support "gender affirming care" for children are actually causing harm: https://lucyleader.substack.com/p/the-cinderella-effect-another-way

Anyone who is inserting themselves into a parent/child relationship because they "care" more about children really needs to examine their motives.

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Poeima's avatar

Thank you for those questions. I read so much humility in the way you posed your questions and statements. My friends are always shocked to hear my information and many don't believe it because they think it's all exaggerated/sensationalized.

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paleblue's avatar

You're going to think it's exaggerated or sensationalized if your main source of news is NPR. My wife has admitted to me that she thinks the transgender stuff is "crazy", but that's as far as she's willing to go. Unless, of course, her own granddaughter was groomed and started down the GAC path. Otherwise, the "be kind" mantra rules the day, and we still think the heart-of-gold MtF in the women's prison on "Orange is the New Black" was a better person than any of the flawed (but real) women there.

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KT's avatar

Awesome post!

Im going to take this and run with it. My son is 29 years old. He is on year 5 of estrogen.

If ALL of what you wrote and the links as well....and I believe it is....then what about my kid who started this process when he was 23?

See, I just am not at the place of saying "this is wrong for minors and here is scientific evidence but its okay if you are an adult".

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Deadnames's avatar

Yes, I hear you KT. My daughter started transitioning at around 25 years & it is not OK!!

At any age they are still our kids & the cult is happy to get their clutches into vulnerable people at any age!!

It is too easy to just brush off adult transition as an adult choice so it doesn’t matter!! The effects on the parents or caregivers is just as devastating & the damage to the child & the family is no different!

When your adult child treats you like the enemy & makes unreasonable demands it seems somehow worse , maybe because we have different expectations of them???

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Alexander Joseph Hamburger's avatar

I cannot believe that adults are not hurting themselves. I think there is a huge defect in one’s mind to believe that one always knows what is best for oneself, even when an adult. Sometimes a person is biased by what they think, but not what is real. Reality can be difficult. Sometimes goodness is not happiness, but struggle. Everyone has their individual struggle, but we cannot always exercise good judgement how to deal with life. If everyone had good judgement, there would be fewer people declaring bankruptcy from overloaded spending, fewer people getting abortions from unwanted pregnancy, fewer people getting into car crashes from drunk driving. Many other examples.

I think we have a social contract with each other to try to teach a good way to live. Some how gender care has slipped through a loophole in the social contract. That does not mean it is ok for some adults. I don’t believe anyone can “thrive” on cross gender injections and / or mutilating surgeries.

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DLM's avatar

Okay I can go along with leaving adults alone if they are not hurting anyone, but doctors hurt people when they give them untested medical treatments

. They hurt children and adults.

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Hecate Roads's avatar

I agree. I was wrong. I should have chosen my words more carefully, and I apologize for any upset this may have caused. I am truly sorry.

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KT's avatar

My kids are both adults. Its "hurting" me...and others...but I know what you mean

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4dEdited

I am sorry. I also have an adult son in the cult. I don’t think he would have persisted in this idea if doctors had not encouraged him.

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Faith Kuzma's avatar

They hurt both children and adults--it's fraudulent medicine all the way down.

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Jo Jurczyszyn's avatar

Even if someone is an adult a claim he/ she is of the opposite sex means he/ she has an underlaying mental illness, a developmental disorder like autism or is incredibly emotionally confused at least. Poisoning such people with cross sex hormones and maiming their bodies with Frankenstein like surgeries do not solve their underlying problems- it just entrenches them and leaves the people mutilated and with ill health. This whole gender medicine is a massive con exploiting vulnerable people.

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Hecate Roads's avatar

I agree. I was wrong. I should have chosen my words more carefully, and I apologize for any upset this may have caused. I am truly sorry.

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Advocate for Truth's avatar

💯

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