For my eighteen year old daughter it’s not one step forward, two back. Her trans ideology is full speed ahead and no thoughts of turning back! Now she has a girlfriend pushing it on her, telling her she’s her man. She’s not a man. She’s a women and they do not have a heterosexual relationship. It’s all total madness. We live in a world o…
For my eighteen year old daughter it’s not one step forward, two back. Her trans ideology is full speed ahead and no thoughts of turning back! Now she has a girlfriend pushing it on her, telling her she’s her man. She’s not a man. She’s a women and they do not have a heterosexual relationship. It’s all total madness. We live in a world of make-believe. And my daughter tells me I’m the crazy one. Doctors are the evil monsters, school’s are the evil breeders and governments are the evil enforcers of this monstrous ideology. I pray every day for my daughter. I hope she wakes up before she’s gone too far. 💔
I am a 63 year old retired doctor and I am not evil. This is pure madness. I wish this were all a dream but it’s a nightmare. What I can’t understand is how many people are going along with it. The up and coming medical students are being indoctrinated. I wouldn’t go to any doctor unless they were 60 or older. Also, interrogate any doctor you see for their world views. If any physician believes someone can change their gender they are nuts or motivated by greed.
I completely agree. Didn’t take it personally. Just want you to know there are many that feel for you. There are working doctors that are afraid to speak up. They have families to feed and children to send to school. They WILL lose their livelihoods. We are living in a communist society now.
I relate so much to this my saddness & anxiety for what lies ahead for my 19 year old daughter. Interesting isnt it that what used to be a prodominantly male issue the majority of trans are now our daughters . I am told by my daughter that if I cant except it I am the one that needs to get help. I 've tried !! there is no-one for me even therapists bring ot back to her & why wouldnt I support her !! the world has gone crazy over trans idealogy
What makes me so angry is that I thought we as an enlightened society were well on our way to eliminating homophobia and stigmatizing people who do not fit old stereotypes. But when 'trans' forced-teamed the 'T' onto the LGB and took over the LGB movement it brought all of its destructive homophobia and misogyny along w/ it. I hope your daughter will realize that she can be a whole and healthy lesbian if that is her sexual orientation and that she need not 'trans the gay away' w/ mutilating hormones and surgeries to try to 'convert' herself into something she is not and never will be. And she needs to ditch the 'girlfriend' who is apparently not only a misogynist but a homophobe as well and has been totally sucked into the 'trans' cult.
I am rethinking my previous acceptance of homosexuality. What we need is a society in which homosexuals are accepted but not considered normal. I don't want LGB to face problems, but the LGB choice is not normal. By normalizing everything, nothing is out of bounds, even the abomination of trans.
Remember that the worst of the worst actors identifying as and propagating trans ideology are majority heterosexual men when you strip away all the doublespeak labels. Likewise, most of the militant handmaidens and trans allies are largely straight people who want to seem cool and progressive.
Well George, since you are 'rethinking' your acceptance of homosexuality we can be thankful you don't rule the world. But at least give homosexuals credit for knowing what sex is and that there are only two. Homosexuality has been a naturally occurring normal variation of human sexuality across time and geography. Homosexuality occurs in the animal world as well w/ same-sex pairings and same-sex sexual behavior.* I don't know why it occurs with regularity but it does, perhaps there is a reason for it that we don't understand. And for the most part I don't think it is a choice. And perhaps labeling it as not 'normal' (whatever that means) needs a deeper rethink. Homosexual equality didn't require bastardizing the language or insist on fraudulent pronouns or promote the hormonal and surgical mutilation of young people--or of anyone. Homosexual equality was about integrating into society not deconstructing it. All it requires is living authentically and w/ integrity.
*Fun Facts: Two African apes are the closest living relatives of humans: the chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes) and the bonobo (Pan paniscus). Although they are similar in many respects, bonobos and chimpanzees differ strikingly in key social and sexual behaviours, and for some of these traits they show more similarity with humans than with each other. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22722832/
Bonobos are female dominant, with females forming tight bonds against males through same-sex socio-sexual contact that is thought to limit aggression.
Chimpanzees are male dominant, with intense aggression between different groups that can be lethal.
Some of us have been predicting that there would be serious repercussions to redefining marriage in our society. We have been proven right beyond our darkest nightmares.
The fact that homosexuality has always existed (as have many other things I can list) does not mean that marriage -- the fertile union of male and female -- should have been redefined for all couplings.
Especially since it was done by overturning the votes of the people. It was forced by the courts.
Now we're in Wonderland.
When you said "gender doesn't matter in marriage -- marriage can be what we say it is" it was one serious step down the road to "your birth sex doesn't matter to your gender -- gender can be what we say it is."
The fact that the ancient Greeks also had homosexuality, etc etc doesn't change that.
The fact you can sometimes see homosexual activity in primates doesn't change that.
Pandora's box was opened. We're reaping the results.
Now the rainbow flag and LGBT themes are ubiquitous. The whole country is the Castro district. You have to be concerned about children's programming. They say it's representation, but it's far more than that. It's going after the essential framework of society.
Twenty years ago, when the idea of legalizing same sex marriage would get you laughed out of the room, I met homosexual couples who introduced each other as their husband. No one cared. Some of them probably did the work to make each other heir of their estate or trustee, or inform the hospital. There were workarounds. Some people threw the idea around of Civil unions.
Nope. It HAD to be marriage. It HAD to be that word. Why?
Well, I think the answer is to sue Masterpiece cake shop. To have a battle-axe against those that do not conform.
The new battle-axe is children, confused about puberty, thinking the answer to their body changes is sterilization. And if you don't agree, the state can take your children away.
Each act builds on that build previously.
They don't tell you, first, "You must take the dangerous vaccine to keep a job and buy food." People would revolt.
You start small. "Wear a mask. Just for grandma. You can take it off when you get home."
Then gradually you add more and more steps.
That's how it all works.
You're angry at people who saw this happening ten years ago.
As to my anger, it is about the continuing misogyny and homophobia and scapegoating of all LGB people over the 'trans' issue. That all LGB people are being blamed for what 'trans' activists are promoting and that most LGBs are against is frustrating. But your misogyny and homophobia are shared by the male, heterosexual, cross-dressers w/ sexual fetishes, the autogynephiles/transvestic fetishists, who 'identify' as 'trans.' They have funded the movement that promotes the fiction of 'gender identity' using their great wealth to do so. There are some gay male funders as well. But the primary threat to women and girls is when it is legal for cross-dressing heterosexual males w/ sexual fetishes and paraphilias to invade female single-sex spaces. That any male does this is a predatory act. Trans 'gender identity' ideology is a dangerous invention, it is misogynist and homophobic, and is a violation of women's and LGBs sex-based rights.
And you may also be unaware that feminists and lesbians have appeared on Tucker Carlson's show and w/ the Heritage Foundation talking about the danger of trans 'gender identity' ideology for women and for children. And recently this: Members of parents and anti-child grooming groups on Saturday gathered outside the American Association of Pediatrics Convention in Anaheim, California for the "First Do No Harm Unity Rally," protesting against the "medicalization of gender-nonconforming kids."
When the 'T' got forced-teamed onto the LGB and 'trans' took over the legacy LGB advocacy orgs and they started advocated for trans and promoting the dangerous nonsense that men can be women, and male fetishists' 'gender identity' was given legal status and legitimacy in some states, and the utterly absurd and dangerous notion that children can be 'born in the wrong body,' that was when the danger for women, children, and LGBs began.
Well, I do differ with the objective of redefining marriage. I suppose that's enough to accuse me of being "homophobic" regardless of my acquaintance or familiarity with homosexuals of every stripe.
Not sure how you get the "misogynist" out of my position. But of course, when you disagree with a leftist, you are instantly a bigot, misogynist, homophobe and racist.
Well, let's not make nasty insinuations here, shall we?
You can take offense at me if you wish, and believe that the LGB movement was without vice. But as I pointed out, the gay marriage action was used as a tool of oppression against religious objectors. A weapon of Christophobes and Anti-semites.
This created the soil for which the transgender movement, which you do object to, found root and grew.
Jonah, let me say that if I mischaracterized your remarks as misogynist and homophobic and you think I owe you an apology then you have it. But let me explain why I think they fit that definition. Being opposed to marriage equality for LGBs based on religious beliefs and imposing those prejudicial beliefs on LGBs in our secular country is homophobic and frankly theocratic. By definition homophobia is prejudice against LGB people and denying them a civil right, regardless of the basis for it, is homophobic. As you may know in the theocracy of Iran gay people are forced to transition or be executed. In the West we are more enlightened. But that is not to say that religious denominations are forced to sanction same-sex marriage by performing a marriage ceremony, they are not.
However, by saying that same-sex couples are not entitled to the same bundle of rights that come w/ marriage we are telling LGBs that they are second-class citizens. So if one of them would transition to the opposite sex they could then be a proper heterosexual couple and be eligible to marry. I have heard this from the mouths of young women detransitioners who thought that if they were same-sex attracted that meant they were not a proper 'woman' (misogyny) and they thought they needed to medically transition to become a heterosexual couple (homophobia). If our society continues to send the message that LGB people should not be entitled to all of the rights and benefits others have in our secular country we risk driving them into the 'transgender' cult.
When society tells young women who do not conform to the dictates of heterosexuality and/or they are not the 'right kind of woman' if they don't fit old stereotypes of what a woman 'should' be, and thus forfeit the right to marry whom they wish, that is misogynist and echos the 'trans' cult message that they were 'born in the wrong body' and need to medically transition to the opposite sex. There is more than one way to be a woman.
Not having the right to marry my partner affected me in a very practical way when my father came to live w/ us so we could take care of him after he had a stroke. I did not want to put my father in a nursing home and he did not want to go to one but he required 24/7 care. So I gave up my position as an attorney for a nonprofit org. and took care of him for the four years he lived w/ us. Thankfully my dad and my partner got on well together and that was a great help to me. She continued her full-time job while I cared for my father. But b/c we could not get married I was not eligible to be on her health insurance and when I resigned my position to care for my father full-time I lost my health insurance. And I could not afford health insurance on my own (working for a non-profit was not lucrative) so I went without and hoped I could stay healthy and care for him. Caring for my dad was stressful and the stress was compounded by my worrying that I would get sick or injured and not be able to care for him. We promised him we would do all we could to keep him at home w/ us and he trusted us to keep that promise. Thank god or the universe that I only had a bad cold during those four years. We kept him at home and cared for him and he died in his own bed. And I could not have done it w/o my partner's help and support, I could not have done it. My partner and I were at his bedside each holding his hands when he took his last breath. We cleaned him up and re-dressed him and put a rose in his pocket and some Old Spice on him and waited for the funeral home person to arrive.
I don't like revealing personal matters but it was to illustrate that marriage rights are about more than parents caring for children, they can also be about children caring for parents. Thank you for your civility and decency regarding our exchange.
Is it possible to oppose the redefinition of marriage without being homophobic?
Or is that one cannot maintain that the purpose of marriage as it has existed since time immemorial -- the raising of children in an environment with their natural parents, bound together by the social custom -- without being homophobic?
Do you slam every society in history from Adam to 2015 with homophobia?
If so, there's not much to discuss. This is the kind of mindset that exists to prevent argument. It is to say: "You cannot argue with me in good faith; to oppose my issue is to be a bigot and a bad person."
I don't accept that premise. Though granted, I have been tempted to engage in it on certain issues that are also near and dear to my heart.
It's a related topic, but I'll mention. I happen to be Jewish, and much of my political soul searching happened when I witnessed anti-Israel activism on my campus as a graduate student. In response, I got more involved with my religion, and studied a great more about the history of the Israeli-Arab conflict. At my high point, of course, it was easy for me to say: "The only reason not to be a supporter of Israel is that one is an anti-Semite."
Is that absolutely fair?
Well, there are certainly times in my life that I thought it was.
About a year ago I listed to a series of podcast histories on the Arab-Israeli during the early Zionist period. The podcaster -- you could tell he was doing everything he could do be as sympathetic to both sides as possible. It was a very noble effort. And just when you think all his sympathies were with the Arabs, he switches to the Jews -- then switches back again. It was an effort to explain the issue without blame. People are going to do what is in their self-interest, their understanding, their position. And they will also defend their family, their friends, their neighbors with whom they share a common bond.
So it gave me a more mature view of the subject.
I still do support Israel. I still share a bond to that which goes to my religious, historical, and family roots. And though I might say it is a tragedy when the violence and animosity begins, it is also something that feels like one of those conflicts that may be unending, but such is the hunger of life.
Were I in your perspective -- same sex attracted and having challenges utilizing the partner benefits, then I certainly would be a proponent of same sex marriage, and I might want to take the easy way of muting criticism on that prospect by labeling all opposition as homophobic. Just as I would like to mute the criticism of Israel as anti-Semitic.
Of course, from the opposite side of the debate, what it sounds like is: "If you do not agree with me on this issue, you're a bad person who's opinions are not worth discussing, who's vote is not worth honoring, indeed who's participation in society itself is worth reconsidering."
My perspective on this. I was a crossdresser for many years. Crossdressing let to gender confusion. I pondered transitioning to full time. I contemplated altering my body permanently with hormones or surgery, which would have sterilized me. I was engaged in bisexual relationships, not because I was that attracted to men, but they were attracted to me when I dressed up and went to the transgender night spots. And loneliness led me to engage in it. "If I can't be with the love I want, I'll want the love that's near."
As I grew more into the value of religion and reconsidered these activities that the Torah does not endorse, it gave a direction to my life. I reduced the encounters with men. I refocused on women. I'm married. I have children. I'm a father.
Those children are the highest point of my life. All my other accomplishments are vanities compared to them. I would take a bullet to save the lives of my daughters. Gladly, without hesitation. And it also enabled me to find the masculine confidence that eluded me much of my life. I no longer deal with the gender confusion. All those old garments are still in a packing box in a closet somewhere in the house, untouched for years.
If society was re-ordered to give me messages that I believe to be false -- that a sexual friendship with a man that led to no children would be of the same significance as my wife -- well, then my children to not enter the world, and that great light never comes to be.
If society was re-ordered to give me messages when I was a very confused teenager that if I went down the transgender route and that sterilizing myself with surgery and injecting myself with estrogen for the rest of my life would make me as much as a woman as my mother -- then again, my children do not enter the world, that light does not come in, my life is poorer, and I would probably discover -- much too late to change anything about it -- that a eunuch and a woman are not the same thing.
I'm sure you're in agreement with me on the second.
You probably are not in agreement with me on the first.
But I am convinced the second follows from the first, like a row of dominos.
Yes, there are difficulties that come from being same sex attracted. I don't see it as being told "You can't marry." I met a transgendered "girl" who found out that "her" father was gay, mother was a lesbian. But were best friends, married, had children, and had their same sex relationships on the side. Did anyone ask them at their wedding day about their sexual orientation to disqualify them to marry? No.
So it isn't whether or not they are ALLOWED to marry.
It's what a marriage IS.
That is what was at stake here.
A Civil Union that gives the legalistic rights such that you could be on your partner's health plan? I think that is reasonable.
Redefining the institution, overturning the will of the voters, and creating a legal method to prosecute churches that maintain their religious definitions?
I think that's not okay.
And I'm also cynical enough to believe that is the real purpose behind same sex marriage.
Not at the personal level, like you and your partner.
But in the legal level, like the Congress and Supreme Court preparing to make war against Jews and Christians who don't get with their new program.
Trans insanity has nothing to do with actual homosexuality—if anything, trans allies are morally opposed to the idea that anyone is exclusively attracted to only one sex and have heaped huge amounts of scorn on gays and especially lesbians over it.
Your blame is extremely misplaced, although people like yourself are probably excited that these nut jobs give you an opportunity to push a homophobic religious agenda against innocent people while you can pretend to look reasonable for it. But trans ideology became the monster it is today thanks largely to porn-warped heterosexual men who let their autogynephiliac fetishes and sense of misogynistic entitlement spiral out of control. THAT behavior is what’s degenerate and unnatural. If you want to stop this madness you’re better off focusing on anti-porn activism. Taking away rights from gay people will do absolutely nothing to stop this.
It also helps that a large number of these transwomen-identified straight men also happen to be wealthy and well-connected in the tech and medical industries. Thanks to their ability to throw money at politicians and manipulate the internet they’ve been able to brainwash and recruit an insane number of kids.
Stop scapegoating LGBs for the 'trans' nonsense--they are not the same thing. LGB is a sexual orientation based on the material reality of sex, 'trans' is an 'identity' based on the invented 'gender identity' and no material reality that reifies old stereotypes. IMO the invention of 'gender identity' and the rebranding of transsexual to transgender and the 'trans' takeover of the LGB movement was to legalize male sexual fetishes. Perhaps the 'thin edge' was tolerating the so-called sex reassignment surgery of Christine Jorgensen starting in 1951 in Denmark and completed in the U.S. in the 1950s. He made it explicitly clear to a student reporter who interviewed him that he 'Was not a homosexual' and said, 'And this interview is over.' That was the 'thin edge.'
I think you're wise, George, but I won't be su[pporting them even if they do.
Experience has proved again and again that whatever is against the natural created order, if encouraged and promoted as all this has been, WILL lead to worse and worse.
The Overton window is forced wider and wider, and there's never a stopping point, whatever people tell themselves.
When has the "slippery slope argument" ever with time been proved false?
LGBs have done that by starting various groups such as the LGB Alliance (in a number of countries) which in the U.K. was immediately attacked and called transphobic and taken to court by a 'trans' org. that is trying to get its charity tax status removed. There is the Gay Men's Network and Lesbians United and others b/c the former LGB advocacy orgs have abandoned LGBs in favor of 'trans.' The problem is that main stream media will not cover LGB groups critical of 'trans' and will not cover the fact that trans activists attack any group that does not 'toe the party line.' And media will not stop adding the 'T' to LGB so it is implanted in the public consciousness like the parasite that it is. And LGBs did not ask for the 'T', the 'T' forced-teamed itself onto the LGB and parasitized the LGB movement.
Most kids in this younger generation are sucked into this cult ideology. They’re young and stupid. The mainstream media is mind controlling their thoughts by censorship to the point that they can’t even comprehend sound science anymore. It’s a virtual reality world of unreality they’re living in. It’s crazy. The masterminds behind this have millions of dollars to transform this generation of young naive people into this dangerous cult. And it’s mostly kids on the autism spectrum, like my daughter, that fall prey. I see her as the victim and the world leaders, the pharmaceutical and medical field as the criminals. Evil found a new way to destroy lives. The world has a long history of evil and this is in par with the worst evil known to humanity. It’s pure evil! It’s like murdering our sons and daughters. I feel like my daughter died five years ago when this all started in middle school. She’s a total stranger to me now. I miss my daughter badly.
Your daughter is not dead. Think of her as being in a coma. If she were in a coma and nefarious people were taking advantage of her body you would fight for her, wouldn’t you? Go fight for her.
Fight? How? The world is against parents like me. I’ve done all I’ve could for her. She just goes more into the cult ideology. She’s 18. I don’t have power to stop a doctor from prescribing her wrong sex hormones. I can’t choose her friends. I can’t change the laws. So how? Got any wisdom? She’s not herself and I don’t have power over her or anyone else.
Yes, most parents like us have been saddened, maddened and frustrated by the trans invasion (of the body snatchers). I haven’t had a private conversation with my 19yo male identifying daughter in 4.6 years and counting and it pains me that her father (my ex), who she lives with, says “he, him and they” without question and supports her continuing estrangement from me by saying to me, “...if he wants to talk to you or not is his decision alone, he’s ‘of age’...”. I fully believe my ex is enjoying this alienation, as he’s done nothing - nothing! - to facilitate a reconciliation, even if just a tiny bit.
If I were in his shoes, I would be doing the opposite. And when we first separated, when my daughter was very young, I tried my best to make sure she had a relationship with her father, despite the fact he had cheated on me. I was hurt and furious at him, but I still wanted a father for our child. Shame on me.
Now the gender ideology has taken him and our only child over, and he has acquiesced, hook, line and sinker. I should have seen it coming, but I was blind.
There’s so much more to our situation (I was a Tomboy as a young girl), but I don’t want to go there now.
I’m just worried all the time that our daughter will damage herself more before she “sees the light” and either matures, or comes to her senses.
Don’t know about her dad. I don’t get a lot of info from him.
I just know I have learned so much from not only my personal experiences, but also my deep research into “gender identity” studies. If some trans people can “self-identify” as the opposite sex, then I can “self-identify” as having a Master’s degree in this subject. 🤦🏼♀️
I feel your pain & have no answers, if I did I would share them far & wide & save my daughter from this destructive path she is taking. But instead I greive for the living, keep my mouth shut for fear she will still start self harming again or leave with no trace. I have a constant saddness hanging over me.
This sounds like the situation Scott Newgent was in. Scott is a Trans identified female who was pushed and coerced into believing she was really a man by her girlfriend at the time. Scott has been through every possible surgery and has concluded that she’ll never be a man. There’s lots of interviews on YouTube and a website TreVoices.org. The difficulty will be persuading your daughter to watch anything which goes against the cult she’s been drawn into. I really feel for you and hope she awakes to reality soon!
What was most bone-chilling in Scott Newgent's testimony to Matt Walsh was saying: "I was in my 30s and I got sucked into this. My thirties! I wasn't a kid. I've been around the block. And they got me. If they got me, a 14 year old has no chance."
For my eighteen year old daughter it’s not one step forward, two back. Her trans ideology is full speed ahead and no thoughts of turning back! Now she has a girlfriend pushing it on her, telling her she’s her man. She’s not a man. She’s a women and they do not have a heterosexual relationship. It’s all total madness. We live in a world of make-believe. And my daughter tells me I’m the crazy one. Doctors are the evil monsters, school’s are the evil breeders and governments are the evil enforcers of this monstrous ideology. I pray every day for my daughter. I hope she wakes up before she’s gone too far. 💔
I am a 63 year old retired doctor and I am not evil. This is pure madness. I wish this were all a dream but it’s a nightmare. What I can’t understand is how many people are going along with it. The up and coming medical students are being indoctrinated. I wouldn’t go to any doctor unless they were 60 or older. Also, interrogate any doctor you see for their world views. If any physician believes someone can change their gender they are nuts or motivated by greed.
Not all doctors are evil. But those that receive income from transitioning youth are to me.
I completely agree. Didn’t take it personally. Just want you to know there are many that feel for you. There are working doctors that are afraid to speak up. They have families to feed and children to send to school. They WILL lose their livelihoods. We are living in a communist society now.
I relate so much to this my saddness & anxiety for what lies ahead for my 19 year old daughter. Interesting isnt it that what used to be a prodominantly male issue the majority of trans are now our daughters . I am told by my daughter that if I cant except it I am the one that needs to get help. I 've tried !! there is no-one for me even therapists bring ot back to her & why wouldnt I support her !! the world has gone crazy over trans idealogy
What makes me so angry is that I thought we as an enlightened society were well on our way to eliminating homophobia and stigmatizing people who do not fit old stereotypes. But when 'trans' forced-teamed the 'T' onto the LGB and took over the LGB movement it brought all of its destructive homophobia and misogyny along w/ it. I hope your daughter will realize that she can be a whole and healthy lesbian if that is her sexual orientation and that she need not 'trans the gay away' w/ mutilating hormones and surgeries to try to 'convert' herself into something she is not and never will be. And she needs to ditch the 'girlfriend' who is apparently not only a misogynist but a homophobe as well and has been totally sucked into the 'trans' cult.
I am rethinking my previous acceptance of homosexuality. What we need is a society in which homosexuals are accepted but not considered normal. I don't want LGB to face problems, but the LGB choice is not normal. By normalizing everything, nothing is out of bounds, even the abomination of trans.
Remember that the worst of the worst actors identifying as and propagating trans ideology are majority heterosexual men when you strip away all the doublespeak labels. Likewise, most of the militant handmaidens and trans allies are largely straight people who want to seem cool and progressive.
Well George, since you are 'rethinking' your acceptance of homosexuality we can be thankful you don't rule the world. But at least give homosexuals credit for knowing what sex is and that there are only two. Homosexuality has been a naturally occurring normal variation of human sexuality across time and geography. Homosexuality occurs in the animal world as well w/ same-sex pairings and same-sex sexual behavior.* I don't know why it occurs with regularity but it does, perhaps there is a reason for it that we don't understand. And for the most part I don't think it is a choice. And perhaps labeling it as not 'normal' (whatever that means) needs a deeper rethink. Homosexual equality didn't require bastardizing the language or insist on fraudulent pronouns or promote the hormonal and surgical mutilation of young people--or of anyone. Homosexual equality was about integrating into society not deconstructing it. All it requires is living authentically and w/ integrity.
*Fun Facts: Two African apes are the closest living relatives of humans: the chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes) and the bonobo (Pan paniscus). Although they are similar in many respects, bonobos and chimpanzees differ strikingly in key social and sexual behaviours, and for some of these traits they show more similarity with humans than with each other. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22722832/
Bonobos are female dominant, with females forming tight bonds against males through same-sex socio-sexual contact that is thought to limit aggression.
Chimpanzees are male dominant, with intense aggression between different groups that can be lethal.
https://evolutionaryanthropology.duke.edu/research/3chimps/chimps-bonobos
Some of us have been predicting that there would be serious repercussions to redefining marriage in our society. We have been proven right beyond our darkest nightmares.
The fact that homosexuality has always existed (as have many other things I can list) does not mean that marriage -- the fertile union of male and female -- should have been redefined for all couplings.
Especially since it was done by overturning the votes of the people. It was forced by the courts.
Now we're in Wonderland.
When you said "gender doesn't matter in marriage -- marriage can be what we say it is" it was one serious step down the road to "your birth sex doesn't matter to your gender -- gender can be what we say it is."
The fact that the ancient Greeks also had homosexuality, etc etc doesn't change that.
The fact you can sometimes see homosexual activity in primates doesn't change that.
Pandora's box was opened. We're reaping the results.
Now the rainbow flag and LGBT themes are ubiquitous. The whole country is the Castro district. You have to be concerned about children's programming. They say it's representation, but it's far more than that. It's going after the essential framework of society.
Twenty years ago, when the idea of legalizing same sex marriage would get you laughed out of the room, I met homosexual couples who introduced each other as their husband. No one cared. Some of them probably did the work to make each other heir of their estate or trustee, or inform the hospital. There were workarounds. Some people threw the idea around of Civil unions.
Nope. It HAD to be marriage. It HAD to be that word. Why?
Well, I think the answer is to sue Masterpiece cake shop. To have a battle-axe against those that do not conform.
The new battle-axe is children, confused about puberty, thinking the answer to their body changes is sterilization. And if you don't agree, the state can take your children away.
Each act builds on that build previously.
They don't tell you, first, "You must take the dangerous vaccine to keep a job and buy food." People would revolt.
You start small. "Wear a mask. Just for grandma. You can take it off when you get home."
Then gradually you add more and more steps.
That's how it all works.
You're angry at people who saw this happening ten years ago.
But we were proven right.
As to my anger, it is about the continuing misogyny and homophobia and scapegoating of all LGB people over the 'trans' issue. That all LGB people are being blamed for what 'trans' activists are promoting and that most LGBs are against is frustrating. But your misogyny and homophobia are shared by the male, heterosexual, cross-dressers w/ sexual fetishes, the autogynephiles/transvestic fetishists, who 'identify' as 'trans.' They have funded the movement that promotes the fiction of 'gender identity' using their great wealth to do so. There are some gay male funders as well. But the primary threat to women and girls is when it is legal for cross-dressing heterosexual males w/ sexual fetishes and paraphilias to invade female single-sex spaces. That any male does this is a predatory act. Trans 'gender identity' ideology is a dangerous invention, it is misogynist and homophobic, and is a violation of women's and LGBs sex-based rights.
And you may also be unaware that feminists and lesbians have appeared on Tucker Carlson's show and w/ the Heritage Foundation talking about the danger of trans 'gender identity' ideology for women and for children. And recently this: Members of parents and anti-child grooming groups on Saturday gathered outside the American Association of Pediatrics Convention in Anaheim, California for the "First Do No Harm Unity Rally," protesting against the "medicalization of gender-nonconforming kids."
Representatives from the organizations Advocates Protecting Children, Gays Against Groomers, Lesbians United, MOM Army, Our Duty, Partners for Ethical Care, and others peacefully protested at the Anaheim Convention Center, holding banners with phrases such as "STOP TELLING GAY GIRLS THEY'RE TRANS BOYS," and "MOMS AGAINST MASTECTOMIES FOR MINORS." https://thepostmillennial.com/first-do-no-harm-rally-protests-medicalized-transitioning-of-minors-at-american-association-of-pediatrics-convention
When the 'T' got forced-teamed onto the LGB and 'trans' took over the legacy LGB advocacy orgs and they started advocated for trans and promoting the dangerous nonsense that men can be women, and male fetishists' 'gender identity' was given legal status and legitimacy in some states, and the utterly absurd and dangerous notion that children can be 'born in the wrong body,' that was when the danger for women, children, and LGBs began.
My misogyny and homophobia?
Well, I do differ with the objective of redefining marriage. I suppose that's enough to accuse me of being "homophobic" regardless of my acquaintance or familiarity with homosexuals of every stripe.
Not sure how you get the "misogynist" out of my position. But of course, when you disagree with a leftist, you are instantly a bigot, misogynist, homophobe and racist.
Well, let's not make nasty insinuations here, shall we?
You can take offense at me if you wish, and believe that the LGB movement was without vice. But as I pointed out, the gay marriage action was used as a tool of oppression against religious objectors. A weapon of Christophobes and Anti-semites.
This created the soil for which the transgender movement, which you do object to, found root and grew.
Jonah, let me say that if I mischaracterized your remarks as misogynist and homophobic and you think I owe you an apology then you have it. But let me explain why I think they fit that definition. Being opposed to marriage equality for LGBs based on religious beliefs and imposing those prejudicial beliefs on LGBs in our secular country is homophobic and frankly theocratic. By definition homophobia is prejudice against LGB people and denying them a civil right, regardless of the basis for it, is homophobic. As you may know in the theocracy of Iran gay people are forced to transition or be executed. In the West we are more enlightened. But that is not to say that religious denominations are forced to sanction same-sex marriage by performing a marriage ceremony, they are not.
However, by saying that same-sex couples are not entitled to the same bundle of rights that come w/ marriage we are telling LGBs that they are second-class citizens. So if one of them would transition to the opposite sex they could then be a proper heterosexual couple and be eligible to marry. I have heard this from the mouths of young women detransitioners who thought that if they were same-sex attracted that meant they were not a proper 'woman' (misogyny) and they thought they needed to medically transition to become a heterosexual couple (homophobia). If our society continues to send the message that LGB people should not be entitled to all of the rights and benefits others have in our secular country we risk driving them into the 'transgender' cult.
When society tells young women who do not conform to the dictates of heterosexuality and/or they are not the 'right kind of woman' if they don't fit old stereotypes of what a woman 'should' be, and thus forfeit the right to marry whom they wish, that is misogynist and echos the 'trans' cult message that they were 'born in the wrong body' and need to medically transition to the opposite sex. There is more than one way to be a woman.
Not having the right to marry my partner affected me in a very practical way when my father came to live w/ us so we could take care of him after he had a stroke. I did not want to put my father in a nursing home and he did not want to go to one but he required 24/7 care. So I gave up my position as an attorney for a nonprofit org. and took care of him for the four years he lived w/ us. Thankfully my dad and my partner got on well together and that was a great help to me. She continued her full-time job while I cared for my father. But b/c we could not get married I was not eligible to be on her health insurance and when I resigned my position to care for my father full-time I lost my health insurance. And I could not afford health insurance on my own (working for a non-profit was not lucrative) so I went without and hoped I could stay healthy and care for him. Caring for my dad was stressful and the stress was compounded by my worrying that I would get sick or injured and not be able to care for him. We promised him we would do all we could to keep him at home w/ us and he trusted us to keep that promise. Thank god or the universe that I only had a bad cold during those four years. We kept him at home and cared for him and he died in his own bed. And I could not have done it w/o my partner's help and support, I could not have done it. My partner and I were at his bedside each holding his hands when he took his last breath. We cleaned him up and re-dressed him and put a rose in his pocket and some Old Spice on him and waited for the funeral home person to arrive.
I don't like revealing personal matters but it was to illustrate that marriage rights are about more than parents caring for children, they can also be about children caring for parents. Thank you for your civility and decency regarding our exchange.
So let me ask it simply:
Is it possible to oppose the redefinition of marriage without being homophobic?
Or is that one cannot maintain that the purpose of marriage as it has existed since time immemorial -- the raising of children in an environment with their natural parents, bound together by the social custom -- without being homophobic?
Do you slam every society in history from Adam to 2015 with homophobia?
If so, there's not much to discuss. This is the kind of mindset that exists to prevent argument. It is to say: "You cannot argue with me in good faith; to oppose my issue is to be a bigot and a bad person."
I don't accept that premise. Though granted, I have been tempted to engage in it on certain issues that are also near and dear to my heart.
It's a related topic, but I'll mention. I happen to be Jewish, and much of my political soul searching happened when I witnessed anti-Israel activism on my campus as a graduate student. In response, I got more involved with my religion, and studied a great more about the history of the Israeli-Arab conflict. At my high point, of course, it was easy for me to say: "The only reason not to be a supporter of Israel is that one is an anti-Semite."
Is that absolutely fair?
Well, there are certainly times in my life that I thought it was.
About a year ago I listed to a series of podcast histories on the Arab-Israeli during the early Zionist period. The podcaster -- you could tell he was doing everything he could do be as sympathetic to both sides as possible. It was a very noble effort. And just when you think all his sympathies were with the Arabs, he switches to the Jews -- then switches back again. It was an effort to explain the issue without blame. People are going to do what is in their self-interest, their understanding, their position. And they will also defend their family, their friends, their neighbors with whom they share a common bond.
So it gave me a more mature view of the subject.
I still do support Israel. I still share a bond to that which goes to my religious, historical, and family roots. And though I might say it is a tragedy when the violence and animosity begins, it is also something that feels like one of those conflicts that may be unending, but such is the hunger of life.
Were I in your perspective -- same sex attracted and having challenges utilizing the partner benefits, then I certainly would be a proponent of same sex marriage, and I might want to take the easy way of muting criticism on that prospect by labeling all opposition as homophobic. Just as I would like to mute the criticism of Israel as anti-Semitic.
Of course, from the opposite side of the debate, what it sounds like is: "If you do not agree with me on this issue, you're a bad person who's opinions are not worth discussing, who's vote is not worth honoring, indeed who's participation in society itself is worth reconsidering."
My perspective on this. I was a crossdresser for many years. Crossdressing let to gender confusion. I pondered transitioning to full time. I contemplated altering my body permanently with hormones or surgery, which would have sterilized me. I was engaged in bisexual relationships, not because I was that attracted to men, but they were attracted to me when I dressed up and went to the transgender night spots. And loneliness led me to engage in it. "If I can't be with the love I want, I'll want the love that's near."
As I grew more into the value of religion and reconsidered these activities that the Torah does not endorse, it gave a direction to my life. I reduced the encounters with men. I refocused on women. I'm married. I have children. I'm a father.
Those children are the highest point of my life. All my other accomplishments are vanities compared to them. I would take a bullet to save the lives of my daughters. Gladly, without hesitation. And it also enabled me to find the masculine confidence that eluded me much of my life. I no longer deal with the gender confusion. All those old garments are still in a packing box in a closet somewhere in the house, untouched for years.
If society was re-ordered to give me messages that I believe to be false -- that a sexual friendship with a man that led to no children would be of the same significance as my wife -- well, then my children to not enter the world, and that great light never comes to be.
If society was re-ordered to give me messages when I was a very confused teenager that if I went down the transgender route and that sterilizing myself with surgery and injecting myself with estrogen for the rest of my life would make me as much as a woman as my mother -- then again, my children do not enter the world, that light does not come in, my life is poorer, and I would probably discover -- much too late to change anything about it -- that a eunuch and a woman are not the same thing.
I'm sure you're in agreement with me on the second.
You probably are not in agreement with me on the first.
But I am convinced the second follows from the first, like a row of dominos.
Yes, there are difficulties that come from being same sex attracted. I don't see it as being told "You can't marry." I met a transgendered "girl" who found out that "her" father was gay, mother was a lesbian. But were best friends, married, had children, and had their same sex relationships on the side. Did anyone ask them at their wedding day about their sexual orientation to disqualify them to marry? No.
So it isn't whether or not they are ALLOWED to marry.
It's what a marriage IS.
That is what was at stake here.
A Civil Union that gives the legalistic rights such that you could be on your partner's health plan? I think that is reasonable.
Redefining the institution, overturning the will of the voters, and creating a legal method to prosecute churches that maintain their religious definitions?
I think that's not okay.
And I'm also cynical enough to believe that is the real purpose behind same sex marriage.
Not at the personal level, like you and your partner.
But in the legal level, like the Congress and Supreme Court preparing to make war against Jews and Christians who don't get with their new program.
You're correct Jonah that we do disagree but we don't have to be disagreeable.
Indeed. And when fellow Americans can disagree on issues but still be friendly -- that is the key to bringing our country back from the brink.
Acceptance of homosexuality was the thin end of the wedge. It was never normal or right, and all this evil and horror is the inevitable outcome
Trans insanity has nothing to do with actual homosexuality—if anything, trans allies are morally opposed to the idea that anyone is exclusively attracted to only one sex and have heaped huge amounts of scorn on gays and especially lesbians over it.
Your blame is extremely misplaced, although people like yourself are probably excited that these nut jobs give you an opportunity to push a homophobic religious agenda against innocent people while you can pretend to look reasonable for it. But trans ideology became the monster it is today thanks largely to porn-warped heterosexual men who let their autogynephiliac fetishes and sense of misogynistic entitlement spiral out of control. THAT behavior is what’s degenerate and unnatural. If you want to stop this madness you’re better off focusing on anti-porn activism. Taking away rights from gay people will do absolutely nothing to stop this.
It also helps that a large number of these transwomen-identified straight men also happen to be wealthy and well-connected in the tech and medical industries. Thanks to their ability to throw money at politicians and manipulate the internet they’ve been able to brainwash and recruit an insane number of kids.
Stop scapegoating LGBs for the 'trans' nonsense--they are not the same thing. LGB is a sexual orientation based on the material reality of sex, 'trans' is an 'identity' based on the invented 'gender identity' and no material reality that reifies old stereotypes. IMO the invention of 'gender identity' and the rebranding of transsexual to transgender and the 'trans' takeover of the LGB movement was to legalize male sexual fetishes. Perhaps the 'thin edge' was tolerating the so-called sex reassignment surgery of Christine Jorgensen starting in 1951 in Denmark and completed in the U.S. in the 1950s. He made it explicitly clear to a student reporter who interviewed him that he 'Was not a homosexual' and said, 'And this interview is over.' That was the 'thin edge.'
Well, that may be, but LGB has brought T along. Until LGB REPUDIATES T, I will no longer support LGB.
I think you're wise, George, but I won't be su[pporting them even if they do.
Experience has proved again and again that whatever is against the natural created order, if encouraged and promoted as all this has been, WILL lead to worse and worse.
The Overton window is forced wider and wider, and there's never a stopping point, whatever people tell themselves.
When has the "slippery slope argument" ever with time been proved false?
LGBs have done that by starting various groups such as the LGB Alliance (in a number of countries) which in the U.K. was immediately attacked and called transphobic and taken to court by a 'trans' org. that is trying to get its charity tax status removed. There is the Gay Men's Network and Lesbians United and others b/c the former LGB advocacy orgs have abandoned LGBs in favor of 'trans.' The problem is that main stream media will not cover LGB groups critical of 'trans' and will not cover the fact that trans activists attack any group that does not 'toe the party line.' And media will not stop adding the 'T' to LGB so it is implanted in the public consciousness like the parasite that it is. And LGBs did not ask for the 'T', the 'T' forced-teamed itself onto the LGB and parasitized the LGB movement.
Most kids in this younger generation are sucked into this cult ideology. They’re young and stupid. The mainstream media is mind controlling their thoughts by censorship to the point that they can’t even comprehend sound science anymore. It’s a virtual reality world of unreality they’re living in. It’s crazy. The masterminds behind this have millions of dollars to transform this generation of young naive people into this dangerous cult. And it’s mostly kids on the autism spectrum, like my daughter, that fall prey. I see her as the victim and the world leaders, the pharmaceutical and medical field as the criminals. Evil found a new way to destroy lives. The world has a long history of evil and this is in par with the worst evil known to humanity. It’s pure evil! It’s like murdering our sons and daughters. I feel like my daughter died five years ago when this all started in middle school. She’s a total stranger to me now. I miss my daughter badly.
Your daughter is not dead. Think of her as being in a coma. If she were in a coma and nefarious people were taking advantage of her body you would fight for her, wouldn’t you? Go fight for her.
Fight? How? The world is against parents like me. I’ve done all I’ve could for her. She just goes more into the cult ideology. She’s 18. I don’t have power to stop a doctor from prescribing her wrong sex hormones. I can’t choose her friends. I can’t change the laws. So how? Got any wisdom? She’s not herself and I don’t have power over her or anyone else.
Yes, most parents like us have been saddened, maddened and frustrated by the trans invasion (of the body snatchers). I haven’t had a private conversation with my 19yo male identifying daughter in 4.6 years and counting and it pains me that her father (my ex), who she lives with, says “he, him and they” without question and supports her continuing estrangement from me by saying to me, “...if he wants to talk to you or not is his decision alone, he’s ‘of age’...”. I fully believe my ex is enjoying this alienation, as he’s done nothing - nothing! - to facilitate a reconciliation, even if just a tiny bit.
If I were in his shoes, I would be doing the opposite. And when we first separated, when my daughter was very young, I tried my best to make sure she had a relationship with her father, despite the fact he had cheated on me. I was hurt and furious at him, but I still wanted a father for our child. Shame on me.
Now the gender ideology has taken him and our only child over, and he has acquiesced, hook, line and sinker. I should have seen it coming, but I was blind.
There’s so much more to our situation (I was a Tomboy as a young girl), but I don’t want to go there now.
I’m just worried all the time that our daughter will damage herself more before she “sees the light” and either matures, or comes to her senses.
Don’t know about her dad. I don’t get a lot of info from him.
I just know I have learned so much from not only my personal experiences, but also my deep research into “gender identity” studies. If some trans people can “self-identify” as the opposite sex, then I can “self-identify” as having a Master’s degree in this subject. 🤦🏼♀️
I feel your pain & have no answers, if I did I would share them far & wide & save my daughter from this destructive path she is taking. But instead I greive for the living, keep my mouth shut for fear she will still start self harming again or leave with no trace. I have a constant saddness hanging over me.
Same
Keep praying, and I am too, for you and for her.
We wrestle not against flesh and blood, which is why flesh and blood, or human wisdom, cannot stop this.
This sounds like the situation Scott Newgent was in. Scott is a Trans identified female who was pushed and coerced into believing she was really a man by her girlfriend at the time. Scott has been through every possible surgery and has concluded that she’ll never be a man. There’s lots of interviews on YouTube and a website TreVoices.org. The difficulty will be persuading your daughter to watch anything which goes against the cult she’s been drawn into. I really feel for you and hope she awakes to reality soon!
What was most bone-chilling in Scott Newgent's testimony to Matt Walsh was saying: "I was in my 30s and I got sucked into this. My thirties! I wasn't a kid. I've been around the block. And they got me. If they got me, a 14 year old has no chance."