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Nicki M.'s avatar

The hair care comment really trivialises and diminishes the impact of Rachel Dolezal's actions on Black people. Rachel Dolezal by self IDing as Black and operating in stealth, infiltrated Black spaces and took up various work positions and funding that was specifically ring-fenced for highly intelligent and academically gifted Black women to operate in their specialised field of African-American studies and to lead a Black organisation such as a chapter of the NAACP. Ironically, these positions and funding were ring-fenced to halt women like Rachel Dolezal from using their privilege to permanently secure these lucrative and status enhancing positions for themselves. However, self IDing as Black, putting on Blackface, operating in stealth and propped up by lies and delusion allowed Rachel to gain exclusive benefits by deception whilst depriving a specific group of life-changing benefits intended for them. So no, it wasn't just about a few 'hair care products'.

It's no less of an impact, just because it involved Black women and race, than for it to be about sex & gender and for a man to infiltrate women's spaces, take up women's positions and valuable funding specifically ring-fenced for women for the exact same reasons as outlined above. Except the privilege is being wielded by white men and the same tactic of self ID and putting on womanface is being used to get around any barriers put in place to halt unfair, male privilege.

A negative impact is a negative impact. Let's not trivialise and diminish that just because it was a racial negative impact.

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Robyn N-R's avatar

I get what you’re saying but “White Men”? Neil De Grasse Tyson is not a white man but he spouts some utter bullshit about the “legitimacy” of the self identifying Trans Movement. Is he to be believed because he’s a black man and a supposedly very intelligent Astro Physicist (not a Biologist mind you). Hmmmm just wondering why so prejudiced towards White Men??

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Nicki M.'s avatar

'I get what you’re saying but “White Men”? '

Isn't this an accurate descriptor of men like Wil 'lia'm Thomas, 'Sasha' Lowerson, 'Laurel' Hubbard, Caitlyn Jenner, Dylan Mulvaney, etc., that are very frequently stood on podiums clutching women’s trophies in sports or being lauded as ‘Women Of the Year’, at ground level? And at elite level, the multi-billionaires that are funding the trans-humanism agenda, such as Martin(e) Rothblatt, the Pritzker family, etc.?

It's shouldn't be so triggering or send one into automatic defence mode, to state an established fact. We all have known for centuries that ‘power and authority’ has resided with white males and that the women’s movement was birthed from this known fact. So given the context, why the emphasis on ‘white male’? I also mentioned ‘black women’ too, where relevant to the context.

As for Neil DeGrasse Tyson, I totally agree with you. He has absolutely come out with some ‘left of field’ utter nonsense of recent times. However, that has nothing to do with the point I was making. Neil De Grasse Tyson is not self IDing as a woman nor stood on a podium collecting an award (and funding) ‘exclusively’ meant for woman, as a man and being able to get away with doing so because the higher echelons of western society is wholly supporting these very specific group of men(the privilege) compared to the unsupportive victimisation of women, in what is supposed to be their own exclusive spaces.

The fact that Neil DeGrasse Tyson is an ‘astrophysicist’ but was publicly made to defend the trans position ‘as a scientist’ to save his career (that much was blatantly obvious), just shows the lack of power and authority he has. He was a very well respected astrophysicist and that cringeworthy and irrational defence of the trans ideology, left him cancelled in many people’s minds. I’m sure his puppet Masters up high, racially resembled the men stood on the podiums, exuberantly collecting their women’s trophies.

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LovingMother's avatar

I am not going to disagree with you about Rachael Dolezal. I just think people should be as angry about men in Womanface as they are about her... And her efforts (though they had a very bad impact I agree) did not involve mutilation of anyone - child or adult. And, she was one person who was caught. People became angry and stayed angry. Good.

With the Trans Industrial Complex we have masses of American kids indoctrinated into a cult through our schools via official education (Federal Government and teachers union policy), parents kept in the dark about their minor children, and kids set onto a path of sterilizing drugs and mutilation.

For the record I am against it all.

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Nicki M.'s avatar

' I just think people should be as angry about men in Womanface as they are about her... '

But they are though🤔. Quite blatantly and even more so, given the huge effects on western society. Remembering that many people across the globe have been punished, lost their careers and their lives have been devastated for speaking up which has curbed others from expressing their true feelings. So, I don't quite get this comment. The majority of people are angry, shocked, frustrated, devaststed, feel betrayed, are fearful given the hostile environment and the consequences that have been metered out. People are angry and wondering 'how the hell did we get to the point of this State sanctioned and enabled lunacy!'

Rachel Dolezal has been old news for years. Literally 'a moment' in time for the history books. No-one outside the US cared about Rachel Dolezal (if they even knew she existed). It was barely reported, if at all, in most International press. I stumbled upon it a year after it happened, on Youtube, due to references similar to yours that caused me to research the issue. She was a mere individual, as opposed to a very aggressive, cult like ideology and movement that is attempting to 'force' unwanted and extremely dangerous and harmful change on the fabric of society. She garnered attention due to the novel idea of someone white 'identifying' as black (something 99.999% of white people would never want to do) and falsely gaining a benefit meant for black people from the deception. Hence the Black outrage that garnered media attention when she was exposed. Remembering, she was operating in stealth.

In contrast, the Trans issue is 'major', particularly in the western world and it's reach is international, particularly in Asia. It is strongly being campaigned against and fought at so many levels by very courageous people (given they are fighting a whole international system that is heavily funded by the financial elite with an agenda they are hell bent on achieving). There's a reason why they call the UK, my neck of the woods, 'Terf Island'.

To say people aren't as angry about men in womanface as they were when Rachel Dolezal was in blackface is just not true. I don't quite know how you came to that conclusion. People have fought very hard for harmful laws to be undone, reversed or restricted, in regards to the Trans issue, across the western world. Particularly Europe. The only people that were sngry in Rachel's case were the people that were affected, black people. Everyone else simply thought it was novel. To make a comparison with the Rachel Dolezal case, on the issue of 'anger', is a false equivalent.

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Marianne's avatar

I’m white and I am still outraged by Rachel. Her arrogance about it was appalling! I saw her on Dr Phil and he didn’t shame her, which he had a perfect opportunity to do. With drag queens, I think there should be some shaming, even though that’s a “bad word”! There is no right or wrong, no consequences. We really needed the “anti trans laws” put into place, because there were no guidelines for it to protect children.

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LovingMother's avatar

I see... I live in the US where the Donezal thing was big news and everyone was angry (rightfully).

I also live in an area where all the schools fly the Pride Progress flag (even elementary) and GI in taught in K-12 schools. Most people around me do not appear to understand.

There are also alot of "lawn flags". DIE needs to go. And, under the cover of Covid our National Teachers union, led by Randi Weingartner, poured a great deal of money into the schools for "Social Emotional Learning" and the like.

Things are probably turning around faster in the UK where you are - where the Tavistock cliinic has been closed. In the US it is full steam ahead with mainstream media not even discussing Tavistock. You have to be on something like PITT or Bari Weiss's Free Press to have even heard of the name. Kids still get taken away from parents over lack of "affirmation".

And, the male athletes are still winning in girls sports. Swimmer WilLiaM Thomas cannot but I read he is suing to get back at it. We will see what happens in the courts.

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Nicki M.'s avatar

‘In the US it is full steam ahead with mainstream media not even discussing Tavistock. You have to be on something like PITT or Bari Weiss's Free Press to have even heard of the name.’

I hear you.

I think you pin-pointed something very important. The role of the media in terms of ‘propaganda’(re-writing the narrative to ‘be kind’ and ‘inclusive’) and ‘media blackout’ (censoring the truth).

Also, to distinguish that off-line is very different from on-line. People that don’t know the truth can’t be angry. People that do know the truth were finding it difficult to find avenues to express their anger publicly eg Youtube deletes and punishes eg suspends accounts for people expressing anger and upset at Trans abuse and labels it ‘hate speech’. Even though we don’t see the deleted comments, the anger is still there.

The LGBTQ+ is an agenda. All the visual paraphernalia and teachings have been implemented under orders (policies and laws) and by force. Operating in fear and going along with something, doesn’t mean majority of people are not angry. They definitely are! As you stated, you can see from certain on-line forums. Substack is amazing in terms of free speech and debate.

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LovingMother's avatar

I agree with everything you say, Nicki.

The reality is so bad that I think many people do not wrap their brains around it when they are exposed to a shred of the truth. It doesn't seem like it can be right to them and they tune it out. Meanwhile, politicians forcefully present a Narrative of Social Justice, not "depriving" anyone of "medicine", and "protecting" children by not "outing" them to parents. I have good friends and even extended family who do not get it at all. Like, it's just a couple of people and it doesn't affect anyone, right?

The media is dreadful.

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Nicki M.'s avatar

'The reality is so bad that I think many people do not wrap their brains around it when they are exposed to a shred of the truth. It doesn't seem like it can be right to them and they tune it out.'

Absolutely! 🎯

Even though we know the truth, there are times we still question 'Is this for real? Or is it just me?' It's so surreal and actually huge that people don't want to mentally tackle it. Call it a survival mechanism.

The trans issue has highlighted just how non-confrontational and compliant most people actually are.

It's incredibly frustrating when friends and family are captured and/or just don't get the seriousness and ramifications of it all. It still shocks me that some people are Ok with this. Especially women!

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LovingMother's avatar

"The trans issue has highlighted just how non-confrontational and compliant most people actually are." This is what has me thinking about German citizens in the 1930s and 1940s. It is not that there were these frothing at the mouth Nazi people who looked like monsters...

. It is such a parallel.

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Nicki M.'s avatar

Yes, it definitely is!

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George Q Tyrebyter's avatar

Drag - Woman-face - is an abomination. And the new "family-friendly" drag, where 4 YO children are being socialized into putting money into the private areas of men, is training in pedophilic activity. Parents who bring their children to these events are doing terrible things to these children. I have no idea what kind of perverted sexual views these children will have.

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Marianne's avatar

This is the most repulsive part of this movement. The little kids are saying it’s fun, and that the queens are nice, and kind to them. Now picture the same event without the makeup, wigs, etc. Men touching little kids while reading stories to them, in a school or library. Sounds like pedophilia to me. Of course they’re being kind to the little kids! How else would they lure them into their crazy trap!

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Eleganta's avatar

Absolutely right, LovingMother.

I edited an interview with Rachel Dolezal into an interview with a Trans-Identifying Man. It is eye-opening, to the say the very least:

https://twitter.com/Dizy03157088/status/1742681512473251990

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