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Susan C Wilson's avatar

At the age of 52 I had ER PR positive breast cancer. I had a double mastectomy, chemo and then hormone suppressants. Prior to this I was already entering menopause and the surgery and hormone suppressants were awful and took at least a year to recover (note I left out the word fully). My point is if this was awful at 52 when you are already entering menopause how much more awful it must be for a young women. I had reconstruction and now 16 years later my chest still feels tight and like it is not part of my natural body. I could go on but the article above says it quite well. I have never regretted my treatment because for me it was life saving. But to do this to a young healthy women it a crime worse than......

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Average Dad's avatar

Yes the pain is intense for us who lost our daughter to this madness, who will only speak to us if we use correct pronouns, new name, and refer o her as a he in all aspects of our life. Is this the end of progress for the feminist movement? I sure hope so. It is NOT good that women be more like men. Or vice versa, we need healthy representations of both sexes. I fear for the future, it grows darker. Trans people are becoming violent and digging in, they eschew people who really love them and want the best for them opting for people to continue on with this illusion. Too many agree with trans people. It is utterly heartbreaking as if a spell has been cast on too many. Affirmation care must end.

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CA mom's avatar

This is beautifully written. You speak of a loss that is not mentioned often. The loss of our girls never stepping into their feminine power or lineage. This passing of the torch to them is a gift they never receive, and it is a very powerful gift.

Thank you so much for putting that into words!

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Realitycheck's avatar

Here's the butcher, JOK, explaining why removing healthy breasts is no big deal. I can't wait for the day when the lawsuits against her start. I don't know why it's taking so long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y6espcXPJk

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Felicia's avatar

Lawsuits are the only thing that will stop these people. In the end it's about making money!

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Robin's avatar

And by spending your life in a vain attempt to change your body to something it can never be, you miss out on the opportunity to cherish your body as it really is. https://lucyleader.substack.com/p/be-thankful-for-what-youve-got

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Lunafalls's avatar

When you think about it, it's so absurd for girls/young women to think that by removing their female body parts, they will turn themselves into boys/men. I want to laugh at them, but it's just so tragic and sad. 😥

How did we ever, ever get to this being accepted -- even encouraged?!? And it happened so fast.

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EyesOpen's avatar

Exactly!

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aileen's avatar

And all of this deliberate agenda moving toward removing all reproduction from humans entirely. Removed the female's ability to have children and the males abillity to reproduce and then we move into the big Tech sector where reproduction and making babies is on demand in artificial wombs so anyone can 'have one'....massive money....always...follow the money. Jennifer Bilek explains this really well.

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Felicia's avatar

Exactly! Jennifer Bilek is awesome! She's calling out the men trying to erase us.

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Realitycheck's avatar

And even if women don't want children, surgeries and hormones ruin their chances of any kind of sexual pleasure. It's a complete lack of understanding of what is means to be wholly human, not that you have to have a sex life to be wholly human. But to disregard and dissociate from that entirely by ruining your body is tragic.

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Notorious P.A.T.'s avatar

And boys and men, too.

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EyesOpen's avatar

Yes, I can't cover it all, but I agree.

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GadflyBytes's avatar

It seems like the groundwork was laid for this by the glorification of girls and women with huge false breasts, initially normalized by publications like Playboy. Breast ‘augmentation’ is brutal, dangerous and ruins natural sensation, as well as natural function.

Yet, these awful repercussions are not required to be advertised as caveats in ads promoting this surgery, as cigarettes must have.

Social pressure to adhere to unattainable and unnatural beauty standards leads women now to not only subject themselves to this, but also to pay for it. Even the advent of supposedly body positive acceptance of curvier figures (instead of just curvy boobs on a stick thin frame) has led to butt implant popularity as well!

The social acceptance of these plastic surgery adaptations in the absence of a medically necessary mastectomy or grievous accident has led to the growth of an unnecessary and bloated plastic surgery industry that doesn’t value health at all, yet is allowed to be considered a part of the medical profession.

How natural is it for them to glom onto any justification to profit over mutilation of healthy flesh? After all, isn’t the entire industry of advertising itself based on convincing people they are unhappy or inadequate and will be made whole by purchasing more useless crap?

Government regulations against the legality of convincing people that their healthy bodies are inadequate to sell mutilation surgeries is one of the few aspects of government regulation that makes sense, as would be a return to healthcare companies being required to be nonprofits.

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Realitycheck's avatar

And speaking of large breasts, look no further than 2023, when this perverted man with a fetish was permitted to carry on teaching in Ontario, Canada. Unbelievable.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/teacher-at-centre-of-dress-code-controversy-no-longer-working-at-oakville-school-1.6296336

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Jen's avatar

I'm glad someone else has noticed that all this seems to have its roots in other forms of plastic surgery that have been normalized for many years. And for years-much longer than gender identity has been a buzzword-it has been perfectly legal, and not terribly uncommon, for children and teens to have all sorts of surgeries that damage their bodies and bring all sorts of risks, for solely cosmetic purposes, with parental consent. The same as the current standard for "top surgery" for gender affirmation.

I can't understand why there isn't the same level of outage over an industry that allows young people to have their bones broken and reshaped, their breasts enlarged or reduced for cosmetic purposes with many of the same risks of gender affirming breast surgery, paralyzing toxins injected into facial areas they don't like, etc etc etc.

When society has for years given the green light to any child who wants any sort of body modification, so long as one parent consents, why are we so surprised that yet another form has taken hold, with extreme ideology behind it? Why are we so quiet about teens feeling the need to significantly enlarge their breasts surgically to meet a stereotyped and unrealistic sexual ideal, and about an entire surgical specialty dedicated to major surgeries so that they can do so, alongside adult women? Why would any child see the Kardashians, and NOT have a cavalier attitude towards all manner of body modification procedures for cosmetic purposes, beginning at a young age?

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Jason's avatar

PA court rules in favor of three Moms who sued school district for teaching gender ideology without consent:

https://adflegal.org/press-release/pennsylvania-court-rules-protect-parents-fundamental-rights

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Realitycheck's avatar

I see this case talks about parental authority. That's true, but I think they're missing the point about the lies being taught in school, that sex is not real, that some inner gender identity based on stereotypes trumps sex. How to get rid of this poison that has seeped into the education system (and all institutions)?

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BowWow's avatar

I can only imagine what happens to the body of a woman chooses to go through menopause in her teens or early 20s. It's just so sad.

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Alison D's avatar

There’s so much shame for so many women around their NATURAL bodies. We need to break the cycle with this generation, not affirm it.

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Cathy Gardino's avatar

Amen

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Monica's avatar

. A mother’s grief at losing her daughter to transgender medicalization and ideology is real and tangible, but she often bears it alone, misunderstood and feeling other people’s disdain

It feels as though I have had to experience the death of my daughter. She would like for me to experience the birth of a son. I did not give birth to a son. I look at her and I search deep into her eyes, deep behind the mask she is trying desperately to wear. Her heart is the same as it had always been. She is my daughter. Her DNA has not changed. One day, at some point in time she will realize the truth. I will be waiting with open arms.

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Felicia's avatar

"Open arms", beautiful!

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Dave's avatar

Children can no more "consent" to have their healthy breasts and genitalia removed or take puberty blockers than they can

"consent" to have sex with an adult.

Similarly, parents and doctors can no more approve such permanent mutilation simply because a minor child desires it than they can approve pedophilia.

Ultimately society will see the truth and ban the practice as we have banned female genital mutilation. Do people support that practice if the parents consent? I truly hope not

It is monstrous to believe otherwise and those who do will ultimately be held to account for their actions.

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SadMom's avatar

Our daughter was a sophomore in high school when I was diagnosed with an aggressive breast cancer that required chemo, bilateral mastectomy (cancer was found in the other breast also), and radiation. Following that, I had other female surgery that was required because post treatment hormone therapy to prevent recurrence caused a tumor, as well as other hormone related problems. So I can relate to the Genspect article. Although I tried to be emotionally and physical available to our daughter during this time, it was an extremely difficult challenge for our family. It has been 19 years since my diagnosis. Although I have remained cancer free, I believe that my cancer was at least part of tge reason that our daughter's mind took her to the dark side of trying to cure her dysphoria by being transgender. She was already having some difficulty accepting womanhood, as she had been somewhat of a tomboy. When she saw what I went through, I now believe that this trauma sent her over the edge - looking for a way to ease her own pain. (As this essay states so succinctly, "Or they were so traumatized by something or someone that these drastic measures seemed the only way to escape from their pain and trauma.")

She officially announced her transgenderism when she was a college junior. We could not accept her demands that we erase our memories of life with her as our daughter. So she cut us off from her life. That was 12 years ago. Now that she has been on 'T' for over 12 years and has had at least top surgery, i wonder what life is like for her. It pains me to think of tge pain tgat her choice has brought her. But I am at peace with not having 'bought into' her plan. She made her own decision.

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SadMom, I can't imagine your struggles with breast cancer, a double mastectomy and other surgeries, then knowing your daughter amputated healthy breasts. I can see that she might have been worried about getting breast cancer herself, and in today's world, the "transgender" lie came calling. I am glad you are at peace. xxx

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Lila Jones's avatar

The breast cancer industry normalized, even celebrated, removing women's breasts and discarding them as medical trash. There is no improved outcome for breast cancer with mastectomies than with lupmectomy or no lumpectomy. NONE. Look it up - it is a well researched study. But doctors still recommend it and profit mightily. Does anyone care how many mastectomies - how many women are scarred and demoraalised, due to false postives? And how many women are overtreated (overtreated means having thier breasts unneccesarily removed) for minute Zero Cancer calcium depostis that would never become cancer in their lifetime? Too many, too many, too horrible, too horrrific to calculate or think about. Oh these women hating docs are playing the long game. I know there are women who have suruvived cancer and will take offense at this post. But take offense with the money grubbing doctors. They are the SAME ones that are harming our girls.

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Jen's avatar

Overscreening and overtreatment is a valid concern with most of the common forms of cancer. But, while there has been a move toward less invasive surgeries, or no surgeries, for certain types and stages of various kinds of cancer, there are many types of breast tumors that require different treatments, and your statements are overly general at best.

Having said that, you have a point about the rush to intervention present in our society in general. And it's not just doctors. Many women, including influential celebrities like Angelina Jolie, have chosen to have their breasts removed due to genetic risk, even when fully counseled on the risks and the uncertainty of the existence or amount of protection gained. Many others, when offered the choice for a earlier stage tumor, will choose a more invasive option even when lumpectomy is offered and encouraged, because it gives them a sense of control and security. I don't judge any individual for decisions they make on managing their own cancer. But as a culture we do have a certain hunger for, and oversized confidence in, invasive interventions.

But here's another thought: with all the various treatments for cancer and other life threatening conditions that can cause significant cosmetic side effects, why is it that breast reconstruction after mastectomy was the first to have a very public, successful drive for insurance coverage? Why is a woman having the appearance of her breasts "normalized" after cancer treatment considered more worthy of coverage than, say, an individual with severe scarring following skin grafting after removing a large tumor? Or any number of other procedures? Again, i don't begrudge any individual women the choice to have reconstructive surgery, but i do find it interesting that society was so horrified at women losing their breasts that they were willing to pay for reconstruction when it's difficult to get even lifesaving treatments covered. It's also interesting that people often frame it in terms of being needed to "feel feminine" and so on. When we speak of the appearance of the breasts as determining femininity and attractiveness, of course those focused on their gender identity will zero in on cosmetic alterations of their breasts to make them "more/less feminine".

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Lila Jones's avatar

Thank you for taking the time to share this here Jen. I appreciate your insights. I have heard of surgeons who say to women, as regards their traumatic mastectomies, I will give you better breasts than you had. Outrageous scoundrels.

Jen, can you, can anyone, show me the receipts where Angelina was out of the press for the surgical removal and reconstruction period of time to have had the surgery she claims to have had? Reconstruction on mastectomy is extremely painful, slow, and arduous as the flat scar tissue must first heal and then be expanded with “balloons” in stages to stretch the skin and so accommodate the breast implants. For Angelina to have reconstructed breasts in the same large size (probably had surgically augmented) as her previous breasts, I think would be a singular accomplishment by a surgeon as well as for a patient to withstand and endure. I do not believe she had this heavily publicized and industry-lauded surgery. I think she was an incredibly well paid shill to further the interests and bank accounts of these doctors. But some one please show me the receipts. I have never been able to find them.

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