Father James Martin, SJ is a Jesuit priest, best-selling author who has published 15 books, editor at large of American Magazine, and founder of Outreach. He attracts a large audience and promotes open dialogue on a variety of topics. Fr. Martin is open to criticism, but he is often attacked for his views on LGBTQ issues. His rules of engagement and those of America Magazine are:
Good luck with that. Excellent and heartfelt, not to mention well-researched. Unfortunately, Jesuits especially tend to follow the "new world order" communistic b.s.
They have their orders. He's probably a high-level mason (over level 30). Those get outright satanic.
Please, we must stop using the phrase "identify as". It is a garbling of language invented by and supportive of a movement that doesn't believe in reality.
I agree! We must stop speaking in made up language and speak in terms of truth and based reality. From the start of our journey w/ our daughter we said NO you our daughter, sister, child of God. I don't even say she is trans b/c there is no such thing, you can't change your gender.. I say she is confused and is challenged with depression.
What other word or phrase do you suggest to convey the idea that some people claim to be a thing they are not, or attempt to opt into categories or spaces that exclude them?
I've heard many gender critical folks use 'trans-identifed (or -identifying) males' for so-called 'trans women/girls,' and 'trans-identified (or -identifying) females' for so-called 'trans men/boys.' That clarifies the reality of the sex (which is immutable/can't be changed) of the person and their 'status' as being caught up in the trans stuff. And those terms avoid the gendered terms 'men/boys' and 'women/girls' that trans/advocates claim are only 'social constructs' and therefore mutable. Of course that community does NOT 'appreciate' those terms BECAUSE they are so actually descriptive and based in reality.
Your letter is informative and respectful -and the resources you provided sate filled with facts that will hopefully enlighten Fr Martin. To ignore the facts is to choose ignorance of the harmful realities experienced by kids being medicalized and by their grief stricken parents.
Thank you for your letter. It seems only the parent of child captured by gender ideology understands how agonizing it is to feel your child slip away into this madness while people wave flags egging them on.
In 2020 Father Martin spoke to nursing students at Saint Louis University. SLU claims to have a Catholic, Jesuit identity. Here is what a student said when she asked him about social justice issues: "He explained that the Black Lives Matter movement, the detainment of immigrants and refugees, and the LGBTQ+ community are not political issues at all. Jesus taught us that we are supposed to welcome and comfort those who are on the margins.”
Of course nurses are supposed to provide care in medical settings. This is the Transgender Health Collaborative that happened to be established in 2020 at SLU Doisy College of Medicine.
Thanks, Catholic Church, for doing your part to sustain the LGBTQ/Trans-Industrial Complex that is one prong in the protracted assault on Western Civilization (formerly known as Christendom).
I get why many here want to separate the LGB and the TQ. But the whole alphabet-soup is fundamentally rooted in the core premise of the Sexual Revolution and modern feminism: men and women are essentially interchangeable.
This is the piece that is incompatible with the teaching of all Abrahamic religions: Jews, Christians, and Muslims. (And even James Martin.) The Biblical creation account highlights man and woman as two halves of a whole (Jerry Macguire was right.) Both the Bible and the Quran highlight distinct differences between men and women. These differences are the basis for our gender roles, "women and children first", the separation of men's and women's sports, what relationships we condone, why we don't draft women, and a host of other legal and social distinctions.
If the sexes are interchangeable, none of these rules make any sense. What does it matter if it's a man & woman boinking each other or two men? Why shouldn't two men get married? Why should women get priority on the lifeboats? If men and women are the same, women's sports really are discriminatory. Why should women get separate spaces when men don't? What's the harm of treating a men in a dress as a woman?
T or Q are a problem. But they're not THE problem. They're an effect not a cause. Separating them from the LGB won't solve anything, since the LGB also rely on the same underlying interchangeability. As long as that remains, T & Q will always return.
I recognize this is not a popular view in this group, but I've long maintained that you can't solve teen-trannies without taking on the acceptance of adult-trannies, and that requires challenging that "men and women are interchangeable" assumption.
You seem to misunderstand basics of feminism...or at least what feminism used to be. (I agree that some of today's younger 'modern' feminists seem to have lost the plot altogether with some of their 'interpretations' - like the support too many give to the trans ideology.) I'm older and have been interested in feminism for over 45 years. The 'real'/original belief is/was not that males and females are totally interchangeable - it is/was that they should have equal rights (under the law) and opportunities (in civil society, in education, and in the workforce) AND differences should be celebrated...not used to relegate women to little more than chattel who are 'by nature' lesser than males in a social hierarchy and everything else.
And real feminism was meant to give women (and even men) more CHOICES. Why shouldn't a woman be able to have a bank account or a credit card in her own name, be able to buy a house (without a father's or husband's signature,) or earn equal pay for doing the same job (or even HAVE the same job) as a man if she has the skills and capability to do the job...just because she was born with a female anatomy? That female anatomy does not render a woman 'less intelligent'...though anatomy generally does cause males to be physically stronger.
Women did/do not want to BE men or be 'interchangeable;' they just didn't/don't want to be denied the same choices, opportunities, and rights as men...and be restricted to only 'functioning' as baby machines and mere servants to, and under the total control of, men in order to live.
And I'm pretty sure that gay men and lesbians, real ones anyway, do 'know' that males and females are 'different' - that is why they are gay men and lesbians. Parts do matter.
When I grew up in the late 70's and early 80's, a common refrain from the Left (incl me) was "the Russians aren't real communists; they corrupted it. Real communism has never been tried." Since Marx predicted paradise but Russia was increasingly obviously closer to hell than heaven, we pretended the Russians had somehow corrupted Marx instead of accepting that Marx was wrong.
I do understand your point that Susan B. Anthony and Carrie Nation would be appalled at where their intellectual descendants have gone. I do agree; they would. But modern feminists ARE their intellectual descendants. The feminist train wasn't on the "equal rights" track in 1960 but jumped to the "men and women are the same" track by 1990. It's the same track, and it's possible to look back today and see all the various bends and curves of that track running from Anthony to the contradictions of today's feminism.
Camille Paglia actually realized this long before almost anyone else. But the best argument (coming from a feminist perspective) is from Louse Perry's in The Case Against the Sexual Revolution.
I have 3 daughters. I very much want it to be possible to maintain the "equal rights" form of feminism without sliding into the "equal everything" form. But is there any country that has started down this track but managed to stop at the "equal rights" station and go no further? I don't think so.
Oh yeah, I remember thinking that about the Soviet Union too, lol. Idealism is a great 'discovery' when you are young and haven't had many lived experiences...and haven't seen how things progress over time.
I'm making a list with your suggestions, and those of others, to look up. I'm somewhat familiar with older Camille Paglia works - I did a paper on her for a...wait for it...Women's Studies class, lol, that I took when I went back to grad school after working for a while. (Back in the mid 90s) Other than providing me with some names to look up, I found that class...less than academically useful or stringent, especially for an upper level class. Too often class discussions would nearly turn into group therapy/gripe sessions. After the class the department head asked me to be a graduate teaching assistant, but that department wasn't for me (it was very new and undeveloped) and I already was with a different department.
Feminism is described as having multiple waves. I stopped at 2nd wave feminism. 3rd and 4th wave feminism are different beasts entirely and the heirs of Judith Butler and Michel Foucault
Yeah, and that's where I disagree. I see philosophical and intellectual commonality among all the waves, since their origin is all within Locke and especially Mill.
Cut the cord (pun intended): go all the way, as Janice Fiamengo has shown through her well-researched and intelligent essays against Feminism, root and branch, the whole kit & kaboodle.
Hesperado - I'll admit, when I first read your comment my instinct was to get defensive and try to 'defend' what MY understanding of feminism is and where that came from. But in order to 'defend' I'd have to understand what you were talking about so I googled a little. Then the 'researcher' in me (MA in Applied Social Research, lol) found some interesting stuff...and I didn't totally disagree with what I've found so far. And now I will go down this rabbit hole and do some more thinking and digesting. We only know what we know until we know more/better. And of course, my perspective is limited because I haven't done a deep dive into the subject in a long time.
It is a little early for me to 'cut the cord' with the word, though I do have sharp criticisms of what it has become through interacting with radicals on social media, but I just thought they were radicals...but maybe that is where the movement has gone and it has totally left me behind. Once I got into an 'argument' with pro-abortion radicals who said women should be 'proud' (so much 'pride' with too many groups these days!) of having abortions, and that every woman should have at least one. (Say what? Why?) Whereas I am of the 'safe, legal, and RARE' belief. Their 'pride' in/for having a medical procedure that often would not be needed with preventive measures....though sometimes those do fail...that does involve another life was ludicrous. And of course, they tagged some 'women's studies academic expert' who joined in on the pile on on me. So I got just a taste of how the movement is driving sane 'allies' away. And that was before I discovered how 'supportive' that faction is of the whole transgender thing.
And further research is needed to see if I change my perspective of its history. It is interesting that Janice Fiamengo and I were born the same year, so we did experience the same 'era.'
Anyway, all that to say thank you for pointing me in her - and this - direction. Lots to learn and think about.
I appreciate your openness to the issue. Fiamengo has a substack also. The way the Left (and I believe, deeper than that and more insidiously intentional, Communists) sucks people in to their increasingly radical agenda — in whatever form, whether feminism, gay rights, anti-white racism, public health (Covid) — is by sugarcoating it with platitudes most any decent person would feel bad about not supporting.
Interesting, will check her out...I have heard this before - the link with communism...(Am not crazy about any "isms" really).
(Also, am familiar with some of James Lindsay/Grievance studies, etc)...
Interesting article if you haven't already read it: "No Truce With The Left" by Daniel Greenfield/Sultan Knish. He's also written some other ones regarding "the "Left" in the U.S.
It will maybe be lightweight for you...I thought it was well presented, and I want to send it to certain friends, but never do.
When I started going down the online rabbit hole regarding the "trans" issue several years back, no one was talking about it, save one friend once in awhile mentioning it because it was getting into the schools. I became furious that every single "lib" news outfit I listened to (radio), said NOTHING, or asked NOTHING about supporting women's, or children's boundaries. In fact, was quite the opposite. It was upside down world very fast, and I had to keep digging to try to fit pieces of the puzzle together regarding how it got so crazy so fast. I went out with signs, and at first a lot of people just didn't even know what was already in play. Now, so many have just bought into the MSM messaging, it's difficult to even get a decent conversation going, without the immediate knee jerk reaction of oh, "right wing bs." If something is true, or is reasonable to at least look at, and consider, I don't care if it's labelled, "right", "left", whatever.
Well, happy reading, and learning, I can barely keep up on just the basics now of what is happening in various states, countries.
Something similar happened to me. I was blissfully, blindly part of the just 'Be Kind' Brigade...because is sounded so 'nice.' Then I wondered what all the fuss about what JK Rowling said was...so I HAD to read the 'offensive' material for myself. I was shocked she said only normal sane things. And I became furious with the 'news sources' I'd consumed - either for their omissions and/or outright LIES. I always understood there was 'biased messaging' involved...I didn't expect to find outright institutional capture, and indoctrination coming from the MSM. I've put out feelers and most people I know online have totally become part of the cult, so I've had to gather information and facts to prepare for 'conversations.'
I pray for our Church. Two of my four adult children are lost in the trans world. One has not spoken to me in 8 years. No contact allowed with our granddaughter. It is a pain that is never healed. I pray our Church finds its way back to Sacred Scripture and doctrine.
Thank you so much. I am so fed up being used as a Lesbian, against my will, when we are added to the "LGBTQIA" mess that includes us with our worst enemies. They use us but do not listen.
Yep, that has been a terrible forced partnering for the LGB community, and has set that community back a lot. Males colonizing womanhood (turns out that space wasn't the 'final frontier) - their attacks on lesbians is just the latest form of males trying to force themselves on women who don't want them. Those guys are basically incels in womanface/costume...the misogyny with both incels and trans is really strong.
""Turns out that space wasn't the "final frontier"".
🤪
There's an SNL skit in there somewhere - (I had a funny one the other day re "trans" I thought of submitting, but it was so non PC, didn't think anyone would be interested, I forgot about it, and now can't remember what it was, Dang!).
The thing is though, like in families, churches, "gay community" etc, effected by this "agenda", it's so divisive.
Painfully true and factual letter; how people have lied to themselves when they pretend that fiddling with nature and making monsters out of the poor kids who will belong neither here nor there, is incredibly horrendous!
Thank you for your writing. Please share with us his response, for it’ll be so interesting to hear.
Thoughtfully written and I hope he replies. But in truth he sounds like he has a savior complex!
I do hope that you will share his response here, if it is a meaningful one.
Good luck with that. Excellent and heartfelt, not to mention well-researched. Unfortunately, Jesuits especially tend to follow the "new world order" communistic b.s.
They have their orders. He's probably a high-level mason (over level 30). Those get outright satanic.
Please, we must stop using the phrase "identify as". It is a garbling of language invented by and supportive of a movement that doesn't believe in reality.
I agree! We must stop speaking in made up language and speak in terms of truth and based reality. From the start of our journey w/ our daughter we said NO you our daughter, sister, child of God. I don't even say she is trans b/c there is no such thing, you can't change your gender.. I say she is confused and is challenged with depression.
What other word or phrase do you suggest to convey the idea that some people claim to be a thing they are not, or attempt to opt into categories or spaces that exclude them?
"imagine they are, based on prevalent indoctrination by the Leftist Mainstream" is more accurate
I've heard many gender critical folks use 'trans-identifed (or -identifying) males' for so-called 'trans women/girls,' and 'trans-identified (or -identifying) females' for so-called 'trans men/boys.' That clarifies the reality of the sex (which is immutable/can't be changed) of the person and their 'status' as being caught up in the trans stuff. And those terms avoid the gendered terms 'men/boys' and 'women/girls' that trans/advocates claim are only 'social constructs' and therefore mutable. Of course that community does NOT 'appreciate' those terms BECAUSE they are so actually descriptive and based in reality.
Yes, I will do that when writing. I can't stand the terminology, any of it.
Your letter is informative and respectful -and the resources you provided sate filled with facts that will hopefully enlighten Fr Martin. To ignore the facts is to choose ignorance of the harmful realities experienced by kids being medicalized and by their grief stricken parents.
Thank you for your letter. It seems only the parent of child captured by gender ideology understands how agonizing it is to feel your child slip away into this madness while people wave flags egging them on.
In 2020 Father Martin spoke to nursing students at Saint Louis University. SLU claims to have a Catholic, Jesuit identity. Here is what a student said when she asked him about social justice issues: "He explained that the Black Lives Matter movement, the detainment of immigrants and refugees, and the LGBTQ+ community are not political issues at all. Jesus taught us that we are supposed to welcome and comfort those who are on the margins.”
source: https://www.slu.edu/news/2020/september/james-martin-visits-nursing-class.php
Of course nurses are supposed to provide care in medical settings. This is the Transgender Health Collaborative that happened to be established in 2020 at SLU Doisy College of Medicine.
https://www.slu.edu/doisy/clinics-and-community/transgender-health-collaborative.php
The current of evil is deep and dark.
Thanks, Catholic Church, for doing your part to sustain the LGBTQ/Trans-Industrial Complex that is one prong in the protracted assault on Western Civilization (formerly known as Christendom).
Powerful video showing Martin’s efforts to undermine the Faith.
https://youtu.be/R0JUoozmjck?si=jXB47XHETNL1yHrp
I get why many here want to separate the LGB and the TQ. But the whole alphabet-soup is fundamentally rooted in the core premise of the Sexual Revolution and modern feminism: men and women are essentially interchangeable.
This is the piece that is incompatible with the teaching of all Abrahamic religions: Jews, Christians, and Muslims. (And even James Martin.) The Biblical creation account highlights man and woman as two halves of a whole (Jerry Macguire was right.) Both the Bible and the Quran highlight distinct differences between men and women. These differences are the basis for our gender roles, "women and children first", the separation of men's and women's sports, what relationships we condone, why we don't draft women, and a host of other legal and social distinctions.
If the sexes are interchangeable, none of these rules make any sense. What does it matter if it's a man & woman boinking each other or two men? Why shouldn't two men get married? Why should women get priority on the lifeboats? If men and women are the same, women's sports really are discriminatory. Why should women get separate spaces when men don't? What's the harm of treating a men in a dress as a woman?
T or Q are a problem. But they're not THE problem. They're an effect not a cause. Separating them from the LGB won't solve anything, since the LGB also rely on the same underlying interchangeability. As long as that remains, T & Q will always return.
I recognize this is not a popular view in this group, but I've long maintained that you can't solve teen-trannies without taking on the acceptance of adult-trannies, and that requires challenging that "men and women are interchangeable" assumption.
You seem to misunderstand basics of feminism...or at least what feminism used to be. (I agree that some of today's younger 'modern' feminists seem to have lost the plot altogether with some of their 'interpretations' - like the support too many give to the trans ideology.) I'm older and have been interested in feminism for over 45 years. The 'real'/original belief is/was not that males and females are totally interchangeable - it is/was that they should have equal rights (under the law) and opportunities (in civil society, in education, and in the workforce) AND differences should be celebrated...not used to relegate women to little more than chattel who are 'by nature' lesser than males in a social hierarchy and everything else.
And real feminism was meant to give women (and even men) more CHOICES. Why shouldn't a woman be able to have a bank account or a credit card in her own name, be able to buy a house (without a father's or husband's signature,) or earn equal pay for doing the same job (or even HAVE the same job) as a man if she has the skills and capability to do the job...just because she was born with a female anatomy? That female anatomy does not render a woman 'less intelligent'...though anatomy generally does cause males to be physically stronger.
Women did/do not want to BE men or be 'interchangeable;' they just didn't/don't want to be denied the same choices, opportunities, and rights as men...and be restricted to only 'functioning' as baby machines and mere servants to, and under the total control of, men in order to live.
And I'm pretty sure that gay men and lesbians, real ones anyway, do 'know' that males and females are 'different' - that is why they are gay men and lesbians. Parts do matter.
When I grew up in the late 70's and early 80's, a common refrain from the Left (incl me) was "the Russians aren't real communists; they corrupted it. Real communism has never been tried." Since Marx predicted paradise but Russia was increasingly obviously closer to hell than heaven, we pretended the Russians had somehow corrupted Marx instead of accepting that Marx was wrong.
I do understand your point that Susan B. Anthony and Carrie Nation would be appalled at where their intellectual descendants have gone. I do agree; they would. But modern feminists ARE their intellectual descendants. The feminist train wasn't on the "equal rights" track in 1960 but jumped to the "men and women are the same" track by 1990. It's the same track, and it's possible to look back today and see all the various bends and curves of that track running from Anthony to the contradictions of today's feminism.
Camille Paglia actually realized this long before almost anyone else. But the best argument (coming from a feminist perspective) is from Louse Perry's in The Case Against the Sexual Revolution.
I have 3 daughters. I very much want it to be possible to maintain the "equal rights" form of feminism without sliding into the "equal everything" form. But is there any country that has started down this track but managed to stop at the "equal rights" station and go no further? I don't think so.
Oh yeah, I remember thinking that about the Soviet Union too, lol. Idealism is a great 'discovery' when you are young and haven't had many lived experiences...and haven't seen how things progress over time.
I'm making a list with your suggestions, and those of others, to look up. I'm somewhat familiar with older Camille Paglia works - I did a paper on her for a...wait for it...Women's Studies class, lol, that I took when I went back to grad school after working for a while. (Back in the mid 90s) Other than providing me with some names to look up, I found that class...less than academically useful or stringent, especially for an upper level class. Too often class discussions would nearly turn into group therapy/gripe sessions. After the class the department head asked me to be a graduate teaching assistant, but that department wasn't for me (it was very new and undeveloped) and I already was with a different department.
Thanks for the conversation.
Feminism is described as having multiple waves. I stopped at 2nd wave feminism. 3rd and 4th wave feminism are different beasts entirely and the heirs of Judith Butler and Michel Foucault
Yeah, and that's where I disagree. I see philosophical and intellectual commonality among all the waves, since their origin is all within Locke and especially Mill.
Cut the cord (pun intended): go all the way, as Janice Fiamengo has shown through her well-researched and intelligent essays against Feminism, root and branch, the whole kit & kaboodle.
Hesperado - I'll admit, when I first read your comment my instinct was to get defensive and try to 'defend' what MY understanding of feminism is and where that came from. But in order to 'defend' I'd have to understand what you were talking about so I googled a little. Then the 'researcher' in me (MA in Applied Social Research, lol) found some interesting stuff...and I didn't totally disagree with what I've found so far. And now I will go down this rabbit hole and do some more thinking and digesting. We only know what we know until we know more/better. And of course, my perspective is limited because I haven't done a deep dive into the subject in a long time.
It is a little early for me to 'cut the cord' with the word, though I do have sharp criticisms of what it has become through interacting with radicals on social media, but I just thought they were radicals...but maybe that is where the movement has gone and it has totally left me behind. Once I got into an 'argument' with pro-abortion radicals who said women should be 'proud' (so much 'pride' with too many groups these days!) of having abortions, and that every woman should have at least one. (Say what? Why?) Whereas I am of the 'safe, legal, and RARE' belief. Their 'pride' in/for having a medical procedure that often would not be needed with preventive measures....though sometimes those do fail...that does involve another life was ludicrous. And of course, they tagged some 'women's studies academic expert' who joined in on the pile on on me. So I got just a taste of how the movement is driving sane 'allies' away. And that was before I discovered how 'supportive' that faction is of the whole transgender thing.
And further research is needed to see if I change my perspective of its history. It is interesting that Janice Fiamengo and I were born the same year, so we did experience the same 'era.'
Anyway, all that to say thank you for pointing me in her - and this - direction. Lots to learn and think about.
I appreciate your openness to the issue. Fiamengo has a substack also. The way the Left (and I believe, deeper than that and more insidiously intentional, Communists) sucks people in to their increasingly radical agenda — in whatever form, whether feminism, gay rights, anti-white racism, public health (Covid) — is by sugarcoating it with platitudes most any decent person would feel bad about not supporting.
Interesting, will check her out...I have heard this before - the link with communism...(Am not crazy about any "isms" really).
(Also, am familiar with some of James Lindsay/Grievance studies, etc)...
Interesting article if you haven't already read it: "No Truce With The Left" by Daniel Greenfield/Sultan Knish. He's also written some other ones regarding "the "Left" in the U.S.
It will maybe be lightweight for you...I thought it was well presented, and I want to send it to certain friends, but never do.
Thanks for the reading suggestions Lauren. I'm making a list off of this whole conversation. So much to read, think about, learn.
Yes, me too.
When I started going down the online rabbit hole regarding the "trans" issue several years back, no one was talking about it, save one friend once in awhile mentioning it because it was getting into the schools. I became furious that every single "lib" news outfit I listened to (radio), said NOTHING, or asked NOTHING about supporting women's, or children's boundaries. In fact, was quite the opposite. It was upside down world very fast, and I had to keep digging to try to fit pieces of the puzzle together regarding how it got so crazy so fast. I went out with signs, and at first a lot of people just didn't even know what was already in play. Now, so many have just bought into the MSM messaging, it's difficult to even get a decent conversation going, without the immediate knee jerk reaction of oh, "right wing bs." If something is true, or is reasonable to at least look at, and consider, I don't care if it's labelled, "right", "left", whatever.
Well, happy reading, and learning, I can barely keep up on just the basics now of what is happening in various states, countries.
Something similar happened to me. I was blissfully, blindly part of the just 'Be Kind' Brigade...because is sounded so 'nice.' Then I wondered what all the fuss about what JK Rowling said was...so I HAD to read the 'offensive' material for myself. I was shocked she said only normal sane things. And I became furious with the 'news sources' I'd consumed - either for their omissions and/or outright LIES. I always understood there was 'biased messaging' involved...I didn't expect to find outright institutional capture, and indoctrination coming from the MSM. I've put out feelers and most people I know online have totally become part of the cult, so I've had to gather information and facts to prepare for 'conversations.'
We should post this story on his FaceBook page
I pray for our Church. Two of my four adult children are lost in the trans world. One has not spoken to me in 8 years. No contact allowed with our granddaughter. It is a pain that is never healed. I pray our Church finds its way back to Sacred Scripture and doctrine.
Thanks so much for this letter--count me in as another person weary of the manufactured monolith of LGBTQI, etc.
Thank you so much. I am so fed up being used as a Lesbian, against my will, when we are added to the "LGBTQIA" mess that includes us with our worst enemies. They use us but do not listen.
Trans simply does not exist.
Yep, that has been a terrible forced partnering for the LGB community, and has set that community back a lot. Males colonizing womanhood (turns out that space wasn't the 'final frontier) - their attacks on lesbians is just the latest form of males trying to force themselves on women who don't want them. Those guys are basically incels in womanface/costume...the misogyny with both incels and trans is really strong.
""Turns out that space wasn't the "final frontier"".
🤪
There's an SNL skit in there somewhere - (I had a funny one the other day re "trans" I thought of submitting, but it was so non PC, didn't think anyone would be interested, I forgot about it, and now can't remember what it was, Dang!).
The thing is though, like in families, churches, "gay community" etc, effected by this "agenda", it's so divisive.
Some go along, some don't.
And people can get so nasty.
It's very heartbreaking.
Trans/map is a mental illness
Please see this interview with Walt Heyer and Lila Rose, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhUp95q1B6o
Painfully true and factual letter; how people have lied to themselves when they pretend that fiddling with nature and making monsters out of the poor kids who will belong neither here nor there, is incredibly horrendous!