The relationship between gender-skeptical parents and detransitioners is complicated. Parents know or are frightened that their own trans-identified kids are seriously mentally unstable, are scared that their children may medicalize themselves based on highly sketchy internet and peer influence, and are terrified that these children they love so very much may do permanent damage to their long-term physical health as a result. The parents’ own mental state deteriorates as fear takes hold: many lie awake night after night, stewing in self-recrimination, depressed, and desperate.
This is a very good essay and full of excellent information. I am glad that at least 45 detransitioners participated in the survey as their insight is very helpful. Thank you for sharing. I hope more detransitioners will come forward and share their insights. Hard to believe we are all caught up in this trans-cult nightmare but the more information we share the stronger we become to fighting this war against our children. There is no transgender manual for parents or families to read and follow so we must rely on the brave detransitioners who are willing to educate us on how to maneuver through this mine-field. This social contagion is affecting everyone who crosses its path. My own sister and her husband have been trying to cope and navigate this journey for several years now because of their estranged son. I have also been pulled into this evil-transgender world because of my nephew and the more I can learn about the “how and why” associated with this ideology, the more I might be able to help my nephew. I try to support my sister and her husband by reading PITT and watching videos and learning as much as I can because knowledge is power. Thank you to everyone who shares on this blog, it is not easy exposing our fears and failures and concerns but each desister and detransitioner brings us all hope.
I onboard parents into a parent led peer-peer support group. We’re basically trying to filter out potential problems. This week I onboarded a mum from Saudi Arabia.
We can always point fingers at parents, but if it wasn’t for the internet and the access it gave groomers to our children, we’d have muddled through, and our kids would be fine.
I think the relationship between detransitioners and parents of trans identifying kids is always going to be complicated. At the behest of strangers on the internet, they treated their parents appallingly.
This article is immensely helpful. Thank you so much for sharing such a respectful and sensitive ways to parent our transgender children. I felt quite sad reading about the porn Gen Z has been exposed to and how little they were guarded against it. I tried hard to limit my children's access to the internet but it was such a losing battle on all fronts. The allure and addictive nature to social media etc overpowered my ability to parent properly and I wish I could go back in time and go off-grid with limited internet, or travel the world with my kids or have raised them somewhere without internet access. I wonder how different our lives would be now. But alas, I can't turn back the clock, so what I will take from this incredibly helpful article is to give unconditional love to my children. Love is always the answer.
I just want to commend the writer of this piece for her demonstration of how to describe the various actors in this dystopian drama -- from affirming parents to skeptical parents to detrans young people from the whole spectrum of family types -- with the utmost kindness and empathy. It's not easy, but it helps to keep in mind that every single one of them/us has been a pawn in a malignant mind game that none of us sought out, and from which each of us has sustained serious injury. When it's all over (don't we all enjoy this framing?) I hope we'll focus on this: that none of us would have wished such a calamity on our least favorite person. We were dealt a terrible, impossible hand that mocked reason as it mocked all of us, and it was promoted by people we'd always trusted, from teachers to physicians to judges. We were dropped on an unknown, unforgiving planet with no road map, and we went where our fight-or-flight instincts told us to go, but we were all driven to protect that child any way we could.
I am guilty of asking a detransitioner the same question- what I really should have done is ask their stupid parents what they did and then do the opposite. It doesn’t matter if it’s gender or healthy eating or sex- I tell my kids the truth. You cannot be born in the wrong body. That’s not true or possible. Anyone that let this happen didn’t tell the truth. It’s bad enough im fighting 3 years of teacher lies and whatever is on the internet… but I certainly wouldn’t add to it by affirming a lie. Never ever affirm.
I'm offended to be called a stupid parent. My husband and I tried very hard to save our deluded son stolen by the trans cult. We told him the truth about this insane ideology. Please don't add insult to what is already devastating for PITT parents.
You have to be tougher than this!! I’m sure your son called you worse than stupid. Listen, you have to use all the power you have- money, college tuition, not taking him to these “doctors”, taking away all the stuff you bought him, cutting him off. Actions speak louder than words- you don’t want to be where my friend is now, opening an insurance bill and finding a $210k penis to vagina operation bill done to his son behind his back!
Ill placed deference to exaggerated offense is part of the current culture. But I'm not willing to say this offense was exaggerated or not rational. Our kids got online with remote school during the pandemic. Normal, perfectly normal, discomfort with growing up and not being 100% happy with their bodies ( like every teen ever) was the story on their social media.
And so many bought it as a magic fix for normal adolescence.
The trans movement pathologizes the normal and demands treatment.
Thank you for this very thoughtful analysis. You are right. There is going to be a lot of pressure put on detransitioners from desperate families and I think spreading the word to remember and consider their suffering is wise.
Kudos to the PITT writers for writing such a beautiful post. Moms of boys/guys have been shouting from the roof tops that porn is a huge factor in creating iatrogenic gender Dysphoria. Our hetero boys are not AGP but when you expose young brains to pornography, it makes them afraid of their sexuality. When they’re driven through groomers towards trans/sissy/hypno porn it will pervert their sexuality and shape it in twisted ways. Hetero girls are watching male gay porn. Thank you for acknowledging this. Hope researchers finally start diving into porn as a major factor in the desire to transition for boys and girls.
Why is key takeaway wish #3 being ignored? “A recurrent theme with detransitioners was that they wished their parents had protected them from porn.” Of the four takeaway wishes, however, none of the commenters so far has acknowledged this wish. Maybe commenters discount its importance. But think about the connections. Significant numbers of trans adults cite addiction to pornography as the cause of their cross-sex ideation. Since children are subject to the risks of adult addictions such as to alcohol and drugs, they must also be subject to the risk of pornography addiction leading some children to change their legal sex. Is pornography being protected for adult use to the detriment of children?
Yes, and it's not just parents using pornography on their children. Twiss Butler reminds me that parents are also taking their toddlers to live sex shows in the form of "pride parades" and "library story hours."
I agree. But, I think that parents exposing their kids to porn is less common than kids stumbling into it on the internet or having a "friend" show it to them. There are a lot of internet groomers out there and most often parents are not aware until their kid adopts a new "identity". I found out a high school girl showed my kids lesbian porn on a laptop. Who knows if the "lesbians" were even women?
Good, useful points. I think what's needed is broad public discussion of the mental-health risks of using pornography including addiction and body self-hate. It seems to be the discussion detransitioners are wishing had been available to themselves.
I agree. And, I think teen body self hate is at the root of much of this gender nonsense.
But, GI is promoted in the schools with a whole ideology. It is the answer to everything and you cannot question a new identity! I don't know if you have seen it, but Dr. Miriam Grossman has just come out with a terrific book that needs to be widely read: "Lost in Trans Nation: A Child Psychiatrist's Guide Out of the Madness" She specifically says that she has not explored pornography as a trigger though and hopes someone else will.
There have been a few occasions where the following explanation has helped people see this issue in a way they hadn’t before.
Being lesbian, gay, or bisexual is about who you love / who you are attracted to romantically. Being trans is about a lack of self-love. It is a psychological distress that merits a psychological approach to care. Using wrong pronouns may affirm the (self proclaimed) identity but does not help the root causes (of which there are many) that led to the proclamation.
In short, Taking an approach that conveys that you care about these young lives and that they deserve proper care, rather than an identity that masks real issues, may hel
sorry I’m advance if you have read this comment on an earlier thread. I just wanted to repost it on todays thread so people might actually see it. I won’t double post in the future.
work at a nonprofit arts organization as a music teacher. i have been invited to participate in an online meeting (hundreds of invitees) regarding proper use of pronouns and transgender etiquette, including a Q and A session. I am a music instructor with a highly distressed, gender questioning teen daughter. I wasn’t going to attend the session, not wanting to give it more attention, but realized that I must attend to hear the garbage they are pushing, and to possibly offer an opposing viewpoint that might cost me my job. I am ready for this. I am so ready for this. I realize I must choose my words carefully for maximum impact, and to maybe change the heart of even one person on this zoom meeting. Do any of you have any words of encouragement, or advice on key points that I can make with this echo chamber full of liberal virtue signalers with no dog in this fight? I plan on having a cheat sheet so that I can hit key points quickly and succinctly. Yes, I will die on this hill and if I lose my job so be it. I can get a job down the street at the brewery as a server if I need to.
My pronouns are I/me. (Wider Lens parent group suggestion) You can use both names. If it's a girl Carla-Ian or Carlian. (Gender: A Wider Lens podcast ep.75). These are thoughts that come to mind. Best of luck to you. THIS is what brave looks like. Doing hard things.
You might use it as an opportunity to say something AFTER the meeting like, if this makes you uncomfortable to lie to a child, can we talk about it in another staff meeting? I wouldn't call a distressed anorexic child fat because she sees herself that way. I think we need further discussion for those of us who have concerns or questions about this.
Listen to the latest A Wider Lens podcast, ep. 124, Culture of Desistance, Schools and Gender. It's a different situation but it may be helpful.
Genspect also has resources to help you talk to your school.
At first was going to suggest to save your energy. But then maybe the reality of seeing you lose your job and how much you are willing to sacrifice will help shake her back to reality. Good luck and remember that truth always wins!
Never use their language. Use only gender dyshoric daughter. Make a point of saying their garbage before they can… I.e. I would never affirm something that isn’t true that there is no science or evidence for. There was no discovery or proof - of any new science on gender dysphoric people, merely a reclassification of a mental condition. Why aren’t they discussing anorexia or bulemia at school- and telling everyone to affirm their skinniness?
Tell them school is for learning facts and basic subjects not a road to each child’s personal self discovery- that’s none of their business. Stick to math science and English. Quit wasting everyone’s time with this non school nonsense. Call them out for being the activists they are.
Great suggestions Marcy. I like the way you break it down and are mindful of the language used. I plan on opening with something like “ I am not a therapist, I am a music teacher and mom. Social transition is a POWERFUL psychotherapeutic intervention and I absolutely will not be a part of that, especially since so many of these kids have pre-existing mental health concerns. Considering we don’t fully understand the long-term consequences of such actions on this ever-growing population of kids, I can’t believe this organization expects us to take this on, especially since it involves other people’s families. No thank you. Many of us don’t adhere to this belief system”
and hope the conversation can continue and not be silenced. I’m sure there will be transgender attendees as well as a presenter so we shall see. Many folks assume musicians are just an anything-goes crowd there never seems to be a balance of thought.
inafets4 - on edit: Sorry I put this comment intended for another stack here.
If you haven't, pls read Abigail Shrier's book orr listen to her video on the sky-rocketing numbers of young girls that are being caught up in the trans cult. She's the author of the excellent book: "Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters".
> Interviews like this one - Aug 6, 2021 - Interview: Abigail Shrier on Social Contagion and Gender Identity - She discuss why and how the transgender phenomenon is particularly impacting young women in the West & the way forward through this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlekg5imwjQ
I'll leave this part here too: As a life-long feminist myself, it was important as feminists to love ourselves - as we are - & not try to make ourselves over. So you could be a tough girl or a gentle boy - gay or straight - & that was perfectly okay. You didn't need to change your body to conform to a rigid sex or gender role. This current trans cult ideology is trying to confuse & psychologically damage our kids by pushing lies/porn/fetishes & strict gender roles based on old stereotypes & roles to get kids to change their bodies.. Like the C19 scam/vaxx, the result will be damaged fertility & a culling of the herd.
This is one of the fights of our lives but our world depends on us defeating the cult.
I look forward to hearing how it goes. You are correct to get on that meeting to see and hear what is being said. I do that in our city's local Queer community support group that my daughter insisted I go to. It's eye opening.
I wondered what the temptation to show the world that we must share in the identity ideology consists of.
It is my impression that we already live in a world full of respect, tolerance and consideration.
Identity is, as you rightly say, about who one is. Yet we cannot be in a vacuum. As natural creatures our living experience extends into the behavioural and communication sphere which unfortunately perhaps takes us into the unknown. We may expect fair behaviour from other people but we cannot guarantee it. In other words people can be unpredictable and there will always exist a grey area of uncertainty which we cannot and should not control.
Sadly, anger with the world is too often a driving force in trans identities and tends to remain central despite efforts from other people at being kind.
I agree with you that we are all equal and deserving in our rights, no matter who we are and regardless of what we do. Unfortunately, equality and diversity are incompatible. Identity is expectedly diverse. It ought to be allowed to remain a private matter which does not impinge on the rights of others including privacy.
Only years ago you would send emails to parents whenever suspicious human presence was noticed near the school. Since then iron gates were erected. Now you happen to swing these gates open to potential child sexual predators who find transition in children particularly appealing.
In the years to come identity politics will shift to something else. You will reflect on those times as you probably do now, a political transition in which the order of things as they stand socially and biologically have hardly been scratched upon.
Unfortunately, like so many, you are trying to make sense of a specific, deliberate & decades old plan that's been in the works to change society, disrupt the family & destroy fertility for a NW0/Agenda 21 w/long-range goals & a de-population project.
I don't have time now to share all the cites/links here, but there are documented long-range corp/govt plans & reports clearly outlining all of their NWO objectives. This is a reality & not a theory. This C19 scam & the resulting social chaos like the trans cult is NOT just a rogue group or a misinformed mistake or just some bad apples. It's very deliberate. Research it yourselves but don't use google or corp search engines as they will censor the info from view.
I am not sure why you’ve decided this is the hill to die on? I agree with attending to hear what is said but I doubt a few, very few, words before they cut you off - very easy online- will make any difference. Being present and cautiously doubtful in your workplace and around others who know and respect/like you seems likely to make more difference to me. There will be others with doubts and your mutual gentle exploration will help them.
Because being silent is being complicit and I’m done with that. This is too important. Of course I will be respectful. dying on a hill doesn’t mean being hysterical and overtly confrontational. It just means I’m willing to anccept any consequences that come my way for expressing an unpopular view…On such an important issue. Done with silent. And yes.. people at work like and respect me so maybe I can at least open up actual conversation.
Speaking the truth is NEVER wrong. I hope and pray you succeed with helping your daughter (and influencing even one person at the meeting). She is lucky to have a parent who is more concerned with her well-being than what other people think.
Please tell us how it goes. If I’m wrong about the impact- if you are able to speak so that those listening can hear you- I’d like to know that I’m wrong. My best wishes for your effort.
Are you using pronouns? From what the detransitioners say that is a sign that you support their delusion and they now question why thier parents weren't honest with them.
Sadly, just as transitioning has been a profit boon for gender clinics and pharmaceutical companies, detransitioning clinics, drug companies, medical professionals, lawyers, writers, etc, will have plenty of work/revenue from this tragic cohort of young people. It's predatory capitalism at its worst - eating it's young for the benefit of a system that doesn't care where the money comes from. In the end, families and communities pay with their tax dollars, children with their mutilated bodies.
Thanks for the hard work that went into the survey, digesting the answers and writing this summary. It is all enlightening but the section on parent-child relationship issues was the most interesting to me.
I can see that the issues listed interfered with the relationships between parents and children. Some of the issues can readily be seen as parental faults.
Others I think might not be faults of the parents. Instead they might be flashpoints caused by differing beliefs and outlooks between parent and child but the parent is not at fault. It might be value-neutral.
There might be things that swing the other way. In time, the son or daughter may realize that what they saw as a parental fault was actually a teen rebellion against a parental virtue. I know I rebelled vigorously against a couple of my father and mother’s virtues. Maybe more than a couple.
I was a resentful, rebellious pain in the ass to my parents when I was a teenager. Much later, as an adult, I realized I had been the problem, not them. I'm glad they lived long enough for me to make that clear.
This is a very good essay and full of excellent information. I am glad that at least 45 detransitioners participated in the survey as their insight is very helpful. Thank you for sharing. I hope more detransitioners will come forward and share their insights. Hard to believe we are all caught up in this trans-cult nightmare but the more information we share the stronger we become to fighting this war against our children. There is no transgender manual for parents or families to read and follow so we must rely on the brave detransitioners who are willing to educate us on how to maneuver through this mine-field. This social contagion is affecting everyone who crosses its path. My own sister and her husband have been trying to cope and navigate this journey for several years now because of their estranged son. I have also been pulled into this evil-transgender world because of my nephew and the more I can learn about the “how and why” associated with this ideology, the more I might be able to help my nephew. I try to support my sister and her husband by reading PITT and watching videos and learning as much as I can because knowledge is power. Thank you to everyone who shares on this blog, it is not easy exposing our fears and failures and concerns but each desister and detransitioner brings us all hope.
I onboard parents into a parent led peer-peer support group. We’re basically trying to filter out potential problems. This week I onboarded a mum from Saudi Arabia.
We can always point fingers at parents, but if it wasn’t for the internet and the access it gave groomers to our children, we’d have muddled through, and our kids would be fine.
I think the relationship between detransitioners and parents of trans identifying kids is always going to be complicated. At the behest of strangers on the internet, they treated their parents appallingly.
This article is immensely helpful. Thank you so much for sharing such a respectful and sensitive ways to parent our transgender children. I felt quite sad reading about the porn Gen Z has been exposed to and how little they were guarded against it. I tried hard to limit my children's access to the internet but it was such a losing battle on all fronts. The allure and addictive nature to social media etc overpowered my ability to parent properly and I wish I could go back in time and go off-grid with limited internet, or travel the world with my kids or have raised them somewhere without internet access. I wonder how different our lives would be now. But alas, I can't turn back the clock, so what I will take from this incredibly helpful article is to give unconditional love to my children. Love is always the answer.
I just want to commend the writer of this piece for her demonstration of how to describe the various actors in this dystopian drama -- from affirming parents to skeptical parents to detrans young people from the whole spectrum of family types -- with the utmost kindness and empathy. It's not easy, but it helps to keep in mind that every single one of them/us has been a pawn in a malignant mind game that none of us sought out, and from which each of us has sustained serious injury. When it's all over (don't we all enjoy this framing?) I hope we'll focus on this: that none of us would have wished such a calamity on our least favorite person. We were dealt a terrible, impossible hand that mocked reason as it mocked all of us, and it was promoted by people we'd always trusted, from teachers to physicians to judges. We were dropped on an unknown, unforgiving planet with no road map, and we went where our fight-or-flight instincts told us to go, but we were all driven to protect that child any way we could.
I am guilty of asking a detransitioner the same question- what I really should have done is ask their stupid parents what they did and then do the opposite. It doesn’t matter if it’s gender or healthy eating or sex- I tell my kids the truth. You cannot be born in the wrong body. That’s not true or possible. Anyone that let this happen didn’t tell the truth. It’s bad enough im fighting 3 years of teacher lies and whatever is on the internet… but I certainly wouldn’t add to it by affirming a lie. Never ever affirm.
I'm offended to be called a stupid parent. My husband and I tried very hard to save our deluded son stolen by the trans cult. We told him the truth about this insane ideology. Please don't add insult to what is already devastating for PITT parents.
You have to be tougher than this!! I’m sure your son called you worse than stupid. Listen, you have to use all the power you have- money, college tuition, not taking him to these “doctors”, taking away all the stuff you bought him, cutting him off. Actions speak louder than words- you don’t want to be where my friend is now, opening an insurance bill and finding a $210k penis to vagina operation bill done to his son behind his back!
Ill placed deference to exaggerated offense is part of the current culture. But I'm not willing to say this offense was exaggerated or not rational. Our kids got online with remote school during the pandemic. Normal, perfectly normal, discomfort with growing up and not being 100% happy with their bodies ( like every teen ever) was the story on their social media.
And so many bought it as a magic fix for normal adolescence.
The trans movement pathologizes the normal and demands treatment.
Thank you for this very thoughtful analysis. You are right. There is going to be a lot of pressure put on detransitioners from desperate families and I think spreading the word to remember and consider their suffering is wise.
Kudos to the PITT writers for writing such a beautiful post. Moms of boys/guys have been shouting from the roof tops that porn is a huge factor in creating iatrogenic gender Dysphoria. Our hetero boys are not AGP but when you expose young brains to pornography, it makes them afraid of their sexuality. When they’re driven through groomers towards trans/sissy/hypno porn it will pervert their sexuality and shape it in twisted ways. Hetero girls are watching male gay porn. Thank you for acknowledging this. Hope researchers finally start diving into porn as a major factor in the desire to transition for boys and girls.
Why is key takeaway wish #3 being ignored? “A recurrent theme with detransitioners was that they wished their parents had protected them from porn.” Of the four takeaway wishes, however, none of the commenters so far has acknowledged this wish. Maybe commenters discount its importance. But think about the connections. Significant numbers of trans adults cite addiction to pornography as the cause of their cross-sex ideation. Since children are subject to the risks of adult addictions such as to alcohol and drugs, they must also be subject to the risk of pornography addiction leading some children to change their legal sex. Is pornography being protected for adult use to the detriment of children?
In a word: yes.
Probably.
And, not just that. It is used on kids.
I'm glad you are against surrogacy. It's a real problem, IMO.
Yes, and it's not just parents using pornography on their children. Twiss Butler reminds me that parents are also taking their toddlers to live sex shows in the form of "pride parades" and "library story hours."
I agree. But, I think that parents exposing their kids to porn is less common than kids stumbling into it on the internet or having a "friend" show it to them. There are a lot of internet groomers out there and most often parents are not aware until their kid adopts a new "identity". I found out a high school girl showed my kids lesbian porn on a laptop. Who knows if the "lesbians" were even women?
Good, useful points. I think what's needed is broad public discussion of the mental-health risks of using pornography including addiction and body self-hate. It seems to be the discussion detransitioners are wishing had been available to themselves.
I agree. And, I think teen body self hate is at the root of much of this gender nonsense.
But, GI is promoted in the schools with a whole ideology. It is the answer to everything and you cannot question a new identity! I don't know if you have seen it, but Dr. Miriam Grossman has just come out with a terrific book that needs to be widely read: "Lost in Trans Nation: A Child Psychiatrist's Guide Out of the Madness" She specifically says that she has not explored pornography as a trigger though and hopes someone else will.
This is a very lovely and loving post. Thank you.
There have been a few occasions where the following explanation has helped people see this issue in a way they hadn’t before.
Being lesbian, gay, or bisexual is about who you love / who you are attracted to romantically. Being trans is about a lack of self-love. It is a psychological distress that merits a psychological approach to care. Using wrong pronouns may affirm the (self proclaimed) identity but does not help the root causes (of which there are many) that led to the proclamation.
In short, Taking an approach that conveys that you care about these young lives and that they deserve proper care, rather than an identity that masks real issues, may hel
Yes -- but unfortunately, that's now the definition of "conversion therapy," or alternatively, genocide, because the lunatics run the asylum.
sorry I’m advance if you have read this comment on an earlier thread. I just wanted to repost it on todays thread so people might actually see it. I won’t double post in the future.
work at a nonprofit arts organization as a music teacher. i have been invited to participate in an online meeting (hundreds of invitees) regarding proper use of pronouns and transgender etiquette, including a Q and A session. I am a music instructor with a highly distressed, gender questioning teen daughter. I wasn’t going to attend the session, not wanting to give it more attention, but realized that I must attend to hear the garbage they are pushing, and to possibly offer an opposing viewpoint that might cost me my job. I am ready for this. I am so ready for this. I realize I must choose my words carefully for maximum impact, and to maybe change the heart of even one person on this zoom meeting. Do any of you have any words of encouragement, or advice on key points that I can make with this echo chamber full of liberal virtue signalers with no dog in this fight? I plan on having a cheat sheet so that I can hit key points quickly and succinctly. Yes, I will die on this hill and if I lose my job so be it. I can get a job down the street at the brewery as a server if I need to.
My pronouns are I/me. (Wider Lens parent group suggestion) You can use both names. If it's a girl Carla-Ian or Carlian. (Gender: A Wider Lens podcast ep.75). These are thoughts that come to mind. Best of luck to you. THIS is what brave looks like. Doing hard things.
You might use it as an opportunity to say something AFTER the meeting like, if this makes you uncomfortable to lie to a child, can we talk about it in another staff meeting? I wouldn't call a distressed anorexic child fat because she sees herself that way. I think we need further discussion for those of us who have concerns or questions about this.
Listen to the latest A Wider Lens podcast, ep. 124, Culture of Desistance, Schools and Gender. It's a different situation but it may be helpful.
Genspect also has resources to help you talk to your school.
At first was going to suggest to save your energy. But then maybe the reality of seeing you lose your job and how much you are willing to sacrifice will help shake her back to reality. Good luck and remember that truth always wins!
Never use their language. Use only gender dyshoric daughter. Make a point of saying their garbage before they can… I.e. I would never affirm something that isn’t true that there is no science or evidence for. There was no discovery or proof - of any new science on gender dysphoric people, merely a reclassification of a mental condition. Why aren’t they discussing anorexia or bulemia at school- and telling everyone to affirm their skinniness?
Tell them school is for learning facts and basic subjects not a road to each child’s personal self discovery- that’s none of their business. Stick to math science and English. Quit wasting everyone’s time with this non school nonsense. Call them out for being the activists they are.
Great suggestions Marcy. I like the way you break it down and are mindful of the language used. I plan on opening with something like “ I am not a therapist, I am a music teacher and mom. Social transition is a POWERFUL psychotherapeutic intervention and I absolutely will not be a part of that, especially since so many of these kids have pre-existing mental health concerns. Considering we don’t fully understand the long-term consequences of such actions on this ever-growing population of kids, I can’t believe this organization expects us to take this on, especially since it involves other people’s families. No thank you. Many of us don’t adhere to this belief system”
and hope the conversation can continue and not be silenced. I’m sure there will be transgender attendees as well as a presenter so we shall see. Many folks assume musicians are just an anything-goes crowd there never seems to be a balance of thought.
inafets4 - on edit: Sorry I put this comment intended for another stack here.
If you haven't, pls read Abigail Shrier's book orr listen to her video on the sky-rocketing numbers of young girls that are being caught up in the trans cult. She's the author of the excellent book: "Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters".
> Interviews like this one - Aug 6, 2021 - Interview: Abigail Shrier on Social Contagion and Gender Identity - She discuss why and how the transgender phenomenon is particularly impacting young women in the West & the way forward through this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlekg5imwjQ
I'll leave this part here too: As a life-long feminist myself, it was important as feminists to love ourselves - as we are - & not try to make ourselves over. So you could be a tough girl or a gentle boy - gay or straight - & that was perfectly okay. You didn't need to change your body to conform to a rigid sex or gender role. This current trans cult ideology is trying to confuse & psychologically damage our kids by pushing lies/porn/fetishes & strict gender roles based on old stereotypes & roles to get kids to change their bodies.. Like the C19 scam/vaxx, the result will be damaged fertility & a culling of the herd.
This is one of the fights of our lives but our world depends on us defeating the cult.
Sounds perfect!! Don’t back down, don’t concede to their crazy.
Oh and be prepared to call them hetereophobe when they call you transphobe. It shuts them down.
I look forward to hearing how it goes. You are correct to get on that meeting to see and hear what is being said. I do that in our city's local Queer community support group that my daughter insisted I go to. It's eye opening.
That pair of recent "I've got the Blues" essays could be good to recommend? I also like what DareToBeTruthful says above. Good luck to you!
I leave you thoughts:
I wondered what the temptation to show the world that we must share in the identity ideology consists of.
It is my impression that we already live in a world full of respect, tolerance and consideration.
Identity is, as you rightly say, about who one is. Yet we cannot be in a vacuum. As natural creatures our living experience extends into the behavioural and communication sphere which unfortunately perhaps takes us into the unknown. We may expect fair behaviour from other people but we cannot guarantee it. In other words people can be unpredictable and there will always exist a grey area of uncertainty which we cannot and should not control.
Sadly, anger with the world is too often a driving force in trans identities and tends to remain central despite efforts from other people at being kind.
I agree with you that we are all equal and deserving in our rights, no matter who we are and regardless of what we do. Unfortunately, equality and diversity are incompatible. Identity is expectedly diverse. It ought to be allowed to remain a private matter which does not impinge on the rights of others including privacy.
Only years ago you would send emails to parents whenever suspicious human presence was noticed near the school. Since then iron gates were erected. Now you happen to swing these gates open to potential child sexual predators who find transition in children particularly appealing.
In the years to come identity politics will shift to something else. You will reflect on those times as you probably do now, a political transition in which the order of things as they stand socially and biologically have hardly been scratched upon.
Unfortunately, like so many, you are trying to make sense of a specific, deliberate & decades old plan that's been in the works to change society, disrupt the family & destroy fertility for a NW0/Agenda 21 w/long-range goals & a de-population project.
I don't have time now to share all the cites/links here, but there are documented long-range corp/govt plans & reports clearly outlining all of their NWO objectives. This is a reality & not a theory. This C19 scam & the resulting social chaos like the trans cult is NOT just a rogue group or a misinformed mistake or just some bad apples. It's very deliberate. Research it yourselves but don't use google or corp search engines as they will censor the info from view.
I am not sure why you’ve decided this is the hill to die on? I agree with attending to hear what is said but I doubt a few, very few, words before they cut you off - very easy online- will make any difference. Being present and cautiously doubtful in your workplace and around others who know and respect/like you seems likely to make more difference to me. There will be others with doubts and your mutual gentle exploration will help them.
Because being silent is being complicit and I’m done with that. This is too important. Of course I will be respectful. dying on a hill doesn’t mean being hysterical and overtly confrontational. It just means I’m willing to anccept any consequences that come my way for expressing an unpopular view…On such an important issue. Done with silent. And yes.. people at work like and respect me so maybe I can at least open up actual conversation.
I left you a letter which I sent to my school. I too have nothing to lose except my life.
Caroline thank you. I remember reading a letter on here recently that was awesome. Should I just look in past articles or is this something else?
I wrote the letter myself. They have my 13 year old, my 19 year old daughter sent social services on me for "transphobia".
So sorry to hear this Caroline. Sending love to you. xo
Speaking the truth is NEVER wrong. I hope and pray you succeed with helping your daughter (and influencing even one person at the meeting). She is lucky to have a parent who is more concerned with her well-being than what other people think.
Please tell us how it goes. If I’m wrong about the impact- if you are able to speak so that those listening can hear you- I’d like to know that I’m wrong. My best wishes for your effort.
Great article thx you. I appreciate those who shared their journey
Are you using pronouns? From what the detransitioners say that is a sign that you support their delusion and they now question why thier parents weren't honest with them.
Sadly, just as transitioning has been a profit boon for gender clinics and pharmaceutical companies, detransitioning clinics, drug companies, medical professionals, lawyers, writers, etc, will have plenty of work/revenue from this tragic cohort of young people. It's predatory capitalism at its worst - eating it's young for the benefit of a system that doesn't care where the money comes from. In the end, families and communities pay with their tax dollars, children with their mutilated bodies.
Very likely the case
Thanks for the hard work that went into the survey, digesting the answers and writing this summary. It is all enlightening but the section on parent-child relationship issues was the most interesting to me.
I can see that the issues listed interfered with the relationships between parents and children. Some of the issues can readily be seen as parental faults.
Others I think might not be faults of the parents. Instead they might be flashpoints caused by differing beliefs and outlooks between parent and child but the parent is not at fault. It might be value-neutral.
There might be things that swing the other way. In time, the son or daughter may realize that what they saw as a parental fault was actually a teen rebellion against a parental virtue. I know I rebelled vigorously against a couple of my father and mother’s virtues. Maybe more than a couple.
I was a resentful, rebellious pain in the ass to my parents when I was a teenager. Much later, as an adult, I realized I had been the problem, not them. I'm glad they lived long enough for me to make that clear.
truth.
Thank you for such well-rounded, sensitive and thoughtful reporting! One day soon, I hope to sit down and share our own story of our son’s desistance.