If you’re like me, probably reading WAY too many online exchanges regarding trans ideology, you’ve likely encountered the repeated talking points that trans supporters use to “prove” they’re right.
Some good responses to trans talking points here but seriously flawed by stating that "circumcision" and trans surgeries are "totally unrelated".
What message is given to a child, when he finds out that he was handed over at birth, or in childhood, to a so-called "doctor" to cut away part of his penis? What message is given to a parent when they are told by an "authority" that cutting away part of a perfectly formed baby is "healthy", or "spiritual"?
The message is that a "doctor" with a scalpel knows better than nature. The message is that an authority figure, or medical system, knows better than a mother's instinct to protect her precious and perfectly formed baby boy from superstitious adults with an inherently harmful agenda.
One only needs to research David Reimer to begin to understand how "circumcision" and trans surgeries are INTIMATELY RELATED. David Reimer was not an isolated case. One article in the Journal of Plastic Surgery details 5 feminizing genital plastic surgeries on baby boys to "reassign them as female" following serious "circumcision" damage to their genitals.
Exulansic, (aka Sierra Weir) has done excellent work pointing out how trans follows the same patterns and demands of religious cults.
Sex change surgeon Marci Bowers repairs the damage done to women who have been genitally mutilated (aka "circumcised") in childhood, thereby giving credibility by association, to the transsexual surgeries Bowers performs. How many infant boys did Bowers violate with a scalpel, as an OBGYN, before going into trans surgery full time?
Several men have spoken publicly of being so devestated by the damage done to their penises, when they were cut as infants, that they considered transition and MTF surgery.
Once again, what sort of mixed messages are given to boys and young men, that they were not perfect as babies, and had to be cut, in their "private parts" without consent, and then the same parents are telling them that surgery on their genitals is wrong, because they are "perfect" as they are?
The writer of this piece is attempting to defend an indefensible and barbaric practice. "Circumcision" belongs firmly in their list of "damaging mistakes" that so-called "science" and "medicine" have endorsed. Cutting into and mutilating the healthy body of an infant or child, is, like blood letting and lobotomies, a serious violation of body integrity and human rights.
"Circumcision" and transsexual amputations are intimately connected. "Circumcision" is a gateway surgery to transsexual surgeries.
NOTE: I have put the term "circumcision" in quotes to indicate that it is a euphemism, used to obfuscate the truth, just as "gender affirming care" is used to confuse and give faux medical credibilty those highly questionable practices.
But medically, culturally, and linguistically, the claim is incorrect. Circumcision is not the same category as transition. Although some circumcisions are performed by doctors for particular medical reasons, many cases it is not performed by a doctor. It is more like when parents choose to have their daughters ears pierced.
People who've been quite thoroughly indoctrinated seem to have a very hard time taking in arguments, no matter how logical or factual. Their investment in this (for various reasons) has created a lack of wherewithal to allow oneself to admit to being deceived.
Seeing through the propaganda can take a long while and requires our continued commitment to challenging the trans myths and story lines, the media, and our continued persistence in exposing the reasons these lies have come about.
PITT is one important part of keeping us in touch and informed, and encouraging morale to keep at it.
Regarding the reasons for people detransitioning, there was actually a study done, and the vast majority said that their feelings and how they saw themselves simply had changed.
Bullying and social pressure was way down on the list.
In my case, yes, correct. I am indeed COMPLETELY against so-called medical professionals cutting up the healthy genitals of defenseless infants, (of BOTH sexes), for no other reason than: “my god / religion told me I should do it.” And I think they’re in fact EXTREMELY similar scenarios! I’m not going to mindlessly respect ANY clearly immoral dogmatic demand, just because people try to justify it by invoking a religion, a quasi religion, a modern-day glorified cult, or a political ideology that we are told we cannot question. In my view, infant genital mutilation for no medical reason is BARBARIC and evil, and should be completely outlawed!! The only valid reason to cut an infant’s genitals is if there is something medically wrong with those genitals, that make it so that they can’t properly pass urine, for instance, (or a different issue), that NEEDS to be corrected, for the sake of that infant’s health / survival. And still, even with that, the LEAST invasive treatment option should always be chosen, by default. Is my opinion, anyway. But of course I can understand why, for someone who does NOT agree with me on this, who does NOT see the clear parallels here, saying: “these are different issues” would make sense. Because sure, even though there are paralells, they are also still different issues, and I do recognize that it is POSSIBLE to be for medically unnecessary infant genital mutilation in the name of Abrahamic religion, but still AGAINST transing kids based on “gender identity” beliefs, or vice versa. I personally think it’s inconsistent and hypocritical, but then again, many people are inconsistent and hypocritical. Plus a ton of people in this world are really good at criticizing other religions, and seeing just how fucked up and immoral they are in certain ways, while still COMPLETELY exempting their own treasured religion from criticism! Which annoys me, as an irreligious, agnostic, dogma averse, still spiritual (in my own way) person, but there you go.
Also, while I agree with you that if someone wants to specifically discuss whether or not it is ethical to puberty block and sterilize KIDS for the sake of gender ideology, that it is completely fair to redirect the conversation back to that, if one’s opponent tries to derail it. However, I personally still think it is extremely important NOT to agree with the completely false claim that is “trans people have always existed”, because people unquestioningly accepting “trans” as real, and acting as / pretending as if it is real, is THE very concession that has enabled the whole rest of this ideological brain rot to take root in society!! Sure, it is true that people who strongly BELIEVE that they are “trans” exist, now. Just like also, there exists Scientologists who believe that they have BODY THETANS. In both of these cases, the belief itself is genuine, but that doesn’t make it actually TRUE! People who identify as “trans” exist, but no “trans people” exist. And what more: it is not even the case that people who believe that they are “trans” always existed! “Trans” is a pretty recently invented cultural idea / phenomenon!! Sure, sexism has always existed. People who were sad about their sex, due to being made to feel like a “failed” man or woman, because they did not fit sexist stereotypes, have always existed. People who wished they were the other sex may have always existed. But back then, such people did not call themselves “trans”! And they did not think they were literally, somehow, not the sex that they were born as, even if they heavily disliked their sex! Nor did society medically “transition” people, back then! Sure.. some societies had some rather weird beliefs about the spirit / nature of the people who felt that way, and some even invented unique “third gender” roles and names for them, (such as Hijra, or Fafafine), but that is not to be glorified, because that shit was also based on SEXISM, misogyny, and homophobia. Plus also, again, they did not actually tell these people that they were literally not the sex they were, and there was no such thing as medically “transitioning”. Which is yet more proof for why the idea that there are supposed “trans people”, who simply HAVE TO medically screw themselves up and “transition”, or else they’ll unalive, is culturally created and constructed fucking BULLSHIT!!! “Trans” is purely a cultural INVENTION, and an extremely harmful one, that should never be indulged, at that. And us refusing to validate it, and pretend like there are “trans people”, hugely matters!! Because people wrongly conceding that there really is such a thing as “trans” is THE very thing that has gotten us into this whole mess, to begin with, and THE very foundation that the whole rest of this atrocious belief system has been built on top of.
Also, THIS wonderful and very well referenced essay really further crystallized it for me, and helped me fully break away from this culturally ingrained and supposedly unquestionable notion of there being such a thing as “trans”!! Highly recommend: https://bprice.substack.com/p/trans-is-something-we-made-up ❤️
Exactly. Today one german Professor of Psychology, Dr. Bayen, were allowed to speak at the University of Dusseldorf infront of the students, that scientifically there is no such thing as trans.
Excellent. I’d also point out that the left handedness trope came from an article that discussed the dip in the Victorian era; the trans argument was manipulated as they all are.
"... solution would have been to cut off their right hand."
That zinger brings them back to the absurdity they are advocating.
Also your list of past evils perpetrated by the medical majority
OK, the whole post is good. Forget my highlight reel. THANK YOU for posting.
Love this! Bookmarking for future reference. :)
This is pure gold. Thank you!
Excellent suggestions!
Thank you for the talking points! They are very clear statements.
Well, as a matter of fact, yes, I am also against infant circumcision. 🤷🏽♀️
Some good responses to trans talking points here but seriously flawed by stating that "circumcision" and trans surgeries are "totally unrelated".
What message is given to a child, when he finds out that he was handed over at birth, or in childhood, to a so-called "doctor" to cut away part of his penis? What message is given to a parent when they are told by an "authority" that cutting away part of a perfectly formed baby is "healthy", or "spiritual"?
The message is that a "doctor" with a scalpel knows better than nature. The message is that an authority figure, or medical system, knows better than a mother's instinct to protect her precious and perfectly formed baby boy from superstitious adults with an inherently harmful agenda.
One only needs to research David Reimer to begin to understand how "circumcision" and trans surgeries are INTIMATELY RELATED. David Reimer was not an isolated case. One article in the Journal of Plastic Surgery details 5 feminizing genital plastic surgeries on baby boys to "reassign them as female" following serious "circumcision" damage to their genitals.
Exulansic, (aka Sierra Weir) has done excellent work pointing out how trans follows the same patterns and demands of religious cults.
Sex change surgeon Marci Bowers repairs the damage done to women who have been genitally mutilated (aka "circumcised") in childhood, thereby giving credibility by association, to the transsexual surgeries Bowers performs. How many infant boys did Bowers violate with a scalpel, as an OBGYN, before going into trans surgery full time?
Several men have spoken publicly of being so devestated by the damage done to their penises, when they were cut as infants, that they considered transition and MTF surgery.
Once again, what sort of mixed messages are given to boys and young men, that they were not perfect as babies, and had to be cut, in their "private parts" without consent, and then the same parents are telling them that surgery on their genitals is wrong, because they are "perfect" as they are?
The writer of this piece is attempting to defend an indefensible and barbaric practice. "Circumcision" belongs firmly in their list of "damaging mistakes" that so-called "science" and "medicine" have endorsed. Cutting into and mutilating the healthy body of an infant or child, is, like blood letting and lobotomies, a serious violation of body integrity and human rights.
"Circumcision" and transsexual amputations are intimately connected. "Circumcision" is a gateway surgery to transsexual surgeries.
NOTE: I have put the term "circumcision" in quotes to indicate that it is a euphemism, used to obfuscate the truth, just as "gender affirming care" is used to confuse and give faux medical credibilty those highly questionable practices.
But medically, culturally, and linguistically, the claim is incorrect. Circumcision is not the same category as transition. Although some circumcisions are performed by doctors for particular medical reasons, many cases it is not performed by a doctor. It is more like when parents choose to have their daughters ears pierced.
People who've been quite thoroughly indoctrinated seem to have a very hard time taking in arguments, no matter how logical or factual. Their investment in this (for various reasons) has created a lack of wherewithal to allow oneself to admit to being deceived.
Seeing through the propaganda can take a long while and requires our continued commitment to challenging the trans myths and story lines, the media, and our continued persistence in exposing the reasons these lies have come about.
PITT is one important part of keeping us in touch and informed, and encouraging morale to keep at it.
Thank you, all.
Regarding the reasons for people detransitioning, there was actually a study done, and the vast majority said that their feelings and how they saw themselves simply had changed.
Bullying and social pressure was way down on the list.
I really appreciate this. Thank you for taking the time to write and publish it.
Thank you for your advocacy and support
Excellent summary of clear-thinking about the social fad called 'transgenderism'. Thank you.
How can we address their gender-spirit beliefs? They think they're being scientific.
In my case, yes, correct. I am indeed COMPLETELY against so-called medical professionals cutting up the healthy genitals of defenseless infants, (of BOTH sexes), for no other reason than: “my god / religion told me I should do it.” And I think they’re in fact EXTREMELY similar scenarios! I’m not going to mindlessly respect ANY clearly immoral dogmatic demand, just because people try to justify it by invoking a religion, a quasi religion, a modern-day glorified cult, or a political ideology that we are told we cannot question. In my view, infant genital mutilation for no medical reason is BARBARIC and evil, and should be completely outlawed!! The only valid reason to cut an infant’s genitals is if there is something medically wrong with those genitals, that make it so that they can’t properly pass urine, for instance, (or a different issue), that NEEDS to be corrected, for the sake of that infant’s health / survival. And still, even with that, the LEAST invasive treatment option should always be chosen, by default. Is my opinion, anyway. But of course I can understand why, for someone who does NOT agree with me on this, who does NOT see the clear parallels here, saying: “these are different issues” would make sense. Because sure, even though there are paralells, they are also still different issues, and I do recognize that it is POSSIBLE to be for medically unnecessary infant genital mutilation in the name of Abrahamic religion, but still AGAINST transing kids based on “gender identity” beliefs, or vice versa. I personally think it’s inconsistent and hypocritical, but then again, many people are inconsistent and hypocritical. Plus a ton of people in this world are really good at criticizing other religions, and seeing just how fucked up and immoral they are in certain ways, while still COMPLETELY exempting their own treasured religion from criticism! Which annoys me, as an irreligious, agnostic, dogma averse, still spiritual (in my own way) person, but there you go.
Also, while I agree with you that if someone wants to specifically discuss whether or not it is ethical to puberty block and sterilize KIDS for the sake of gender ideology, that it is completely fair to redirect the conversation back to that, if one’s opponent tries to derail it. However, I personally still think it is extremely important NOT to agree with the completely false claim that is “trans people have always existed”, because people unquestioningly accepting “trans” as real, and acting as / pretending as if it is real, is THE very concession that has enabled the whole rest of this ideological brain rot to take root in society!! Sure, it is true that people who strongly BELIEVE that they are “trans” exist, now. Just like also, there exists Scientologists who believe that they have BODY THETANS. In both of these cases, the belief itself is genuine, but that doesn’t make it actually TRUE! People who identify as “trans” exist, but no “trans people” exist. And what more: it is not even the case that people who believe that they are “trans” always existed! “Trans” is a pretty recently invented cultural idea / phenomenon!! Sure, sexism has always existed. People who were sad about their sex, due to being made to feel like a “failed” man or woman, because they did not fit sexist stereotypes, have always existed. People who wished they were the other sex may have always existed. But back then, such people did not call themselves “trans”! And they did not think they were literally, somehow, not the sex that they were born as, even if they heavily disliked their sex! Nor did society medically “transition” people, back then! Sure.. some societies had some rather weird beliefs about the spirit / nature of the people who felt that way, and some even invented unique “third gender” roles and names for them, (such as Hijra, or Fafafine), but that is not to be glorified, because that shit was also based on SEXISM, misogyny, and homophobia. Plus also, again, they did not actually tell these people that they were literally not the sex they were, and there was no such thing as medically “transitioning”. Which is yet more proof for why the idea that there are supposed “trans people”, who simply HAVE TO medically screw themselves up and “transition”, or else they’ll unalive, is culturally created and constructed fucking BULLSHIT!!! “Trans” is purely a cultural INVENTION, and an extremely harmful one, that should never be indulged, at that. And us refusing to validate it, and pretend like there are “trans people”, hugely matters!! Because people wrongly conceding that there really is such a thing as “trans” is THE very thing that has gotten us into this whole mess, to begin with, and THE very foundation that the whole rest of this atrocious belief system has been built on top of.
Also, THIS wonderful and very well referenced essay really further crystallized it for me, and helped me fully break away from this culturally ingrained and supposedly unquestionable notion of there being such a thing as “trans”!! Highly recommend: https://bprice.substack.com/p/trans-is-something-we-made-up ❤️
Exactly. Today one german Professor of Psychology, Dr. Bayen, were allowed to speak at the University of Dusseldorf infront of the students, that scientifically there is no such thing as trans.
Marvellous!! Glad to hear it!! :)
Thank you 🤩
Excellent. I’d also point out that the left handedness trope came from an article that discussed the dip in the Victorian era; the trans argument was manipulated as they all are.