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DawnM's avatar

For me the dream is that my 32 year old daughter's 30 year old husband will detransition. She is in total support of his being trans. He's been taking hormones for 1 1/2 years. So far, I have chickened out on trying to have a conversation with the at all. I use the new name and avoid the use of pronouns. I will never be convinced that they aren't ruining their lives, but I doubt seriously that anything I say will convince them.

anpanman2's avatar

It’s 14 months now, 10 months of testosterone. This week she showed up at my art exhibition (portraits of my heroes detransitioners but she doesn’t know that, she thinks they are just colorful strangers) and it was the first time that I saw how masculine she has become, no longer with perfect posture like a ballerina (which she was) but stooped. Yesterday she yelled at me, very unusual. Her personality is changing, she’s displaying ”male” behaviour that she detested in her brother. Due to the hot weather I was able to wear the comfortable (expensive and beautiful) ”binder” I bought for her, instead of the torture binders that she got online, 5 sizes too small. But she’s not interested to try it on, to her it looks like ”a sports top that is too large”. I bought a lot of books on trans recommended by Genspec that I planned to leave on display around the house for her to find, but discovered that it would trigger a crisis that ”would force her to never speak to me again”, so I hid them in my book cases. Last week she decided to rearrange all the book shelves, which made me scramble in a panick while she was working on that. I managed to find all of the hidden books on trans and I also managed to get them out in a big bath towel while she was rearranging books right next to me. I tried so many things and need to give up on all of them. The only thing left to do is to keep the conversation going, on life, on everything but trans. I observe, I remember. At my art exhibition I added 2 small painting she made recently: ”the birth of Venus” rising from the sea, a beautiful naked woman. It fit so well with my paintings of the detransitioners, but I couldn’t explain that in the exhibition, in case she would see it. Her subconsciousness must be working in strange ways. ”Keep shining” says her autistic boyfriend who is very interested in all things queer and who is also into platonic relationships, apparently. I think the same ”keep shining”, but I’m very scared, I’ve seen the lights go dim in several of the trans influencers, recommended by my daughter. If about 30% regret transition, all I can hope for is that she is one of the happy 70%. And somewhere I still have this faint hope that she changes her mind, after all she is very smart and sees through all the bullshit (except this one).

SpeakingOut's avatar

We found out 8 years ago. He “came out” 5 years ago. He’s been on hormones most of this time and has every intention of going the full surgical route.

I’m stuck in the same horror I experienced the night I inadvertently found out. I cry every day. I cocoon and hide from people and shirk responsibilities because I can’t face reality. I know I am mentally unwell but I have no recourse because in Canada, no therapist will help me in my gender-critical stance. I tried. The therapist kept pushing pronouns and fake name and trying to make me say the words I choked on.

Everything is tinged by this Issue. It’s the neon sign hanging in my vision every minute of every day.

And on top of it all is the knowledge that there is no hope for detransition for him. He’s turning 33. He’s influenced by a romantic partner, MTF, who is already fully surgically ruined. I feel like an island because my son is older than the kids so many others write and talk about.

I went to 3 support group meetings 5 years ago. It was within the week after he came out. I cried the entire 2 hours. I stopped going when I saw that those parents were in a place I was not: acceptance, and embracing it. At the time, I thought I had to get there too. I didn’t know how. And I didn’t know I DIDN’T have to accept it.

Now I read your amazing piece, and I see that you’re in a place I am not. I want to be there - I think. Or do I just want to stubbornly hold onto this wishful thinking that he won’t go the distance?

As delusional as my son is, wanting to believe he is a woman, I, too, am delusional - wanting him not to believe that.

Annie's avatar

10 yrs in. Kid is medically transitioned, cut us off for many years. Recently reached out to us to reconnect but it’s been rocky. We love him w all our hearts but this has been a grievous burden. Despite everything, I cannot give up hope that he will extricate himself— though I am prepared for the reality that this IS reality for the rest of my life. No-one can understand this who hasn’t been in it.

Jolene Stone's avatar

It's a dagger in my heart every single day, even though we are four, almost five years in. Everyone here has articulated the horror of it well, so I won't repeat it, but my world, too, is a much darker place. It has affected not only my relationship with my daughter and my family relationships, but has rippled out to every interaction in my world. A society that I trusted to hold material reality, physical & mental health, and strong family relationships as inherently GOOD--despite the many different approaches individuals might take to get there--seems to have lost all grip on reality, and I feel I can no longer trust anyone or anything around me. The betrayal is profound and I am a different person because of it, and not in a good way. I'm sorry for every single one of you that knows this feeling. It is good to know one is not alone in this horrible place, but even better would be for none of us to have experienced it. It didn't need to happen to us or our kids, and I can't get over that.

Elena's avatar

I am 4 years in with a 20 year old son who believes he’s a girl and has been on hormones since he was 18. I will never accept what has happened, but sadly, what I have had to do is give up hope. I too have fantasies of him detransitioning, but every day that he’s in the clutches of this insidious cult it becomes harder for him to find a way out. He has no job, lives in his room 24/7, so his only influences are online. He’s about to move into a room in a shared house full of trans people, where I know this half-life of his will only deteriorate further, but there is nothing I can do. It’s destroyed our family. It was the final straw that broke my marriage up, and my younger son has suffered terribly through losing his older brother. I am so so angry at the world for letting this happen to my beautiful boy, who never showed the slightest inclination that he was a girl until he went online. And I am so sad for this lost generation of youths. The world is a darker place now.

OverIT's avatar

We are 4 and 1/2 years in with our son. He gets angry at times that we don't use the name( it has changed multiple times over the years) or pronouns. He has gotten hormones but I think they were ineffective( in spray form). Sometimes this reminds of when my kids were little and I was undecided about how to deal with the Santa and Easter bunny lie at Christmas and Easter. I was sloppy on purpose to get them to figure it out without getting too sad. So it goes with the trans thing. To his face we use an initial for his name and avoid pronouns but refer to him as he and his birth name when he is out of the room but within earshot. infuriating how many well meaning adults and medical/therapy professionals think it's kind and helpful to lie about this.

Em's avatar

"It’s like being the parent of a child with drug addiction."

THIS.

Marie's avatar

8 years since trans entered our lives. Son went back to living as a man in year 7. But he is no contact with us, so he’s not back to living as our son.

NorCal to EU mom's avatar

We’re five years in with our 21 YO daughter. I moved us abroad to escape the insanity. There are certainly cities here that are ‘all in’ on the trans belief system but we chose to settle in a smaller town where you will occasionally see a flag. Our daughter didn’t medicalize, I put my foot down and she listened. She still lives with us for her visa situation. She told me last year that she is queer. Doctors and government here refuse to go by preferred pronouns or name, thankfully! At home, we avoid names and pronouns. She overheard us recently speaking to neighbors and wasn’t at all bothered when we referred to her as our daughter. I know all it takes is the internet to turn things south or maybe towards detrans, I hold my breath and wait. Meanwhile, her hair is long, she wears a ‘bag’ and shops in the women’s and men’s section. As long as she’s not medicalizing, let her explore. Sadly no friends here, but didn’t have them before. Sometimes I send recent photos to my ‘affirming’ friends back home and they are SHOCKED when they see how she looks. They can’t accept what they see. One stopped talking to me when she accused me of ‘fleeing’ and I replied that ‘No, I moved towards a reality for our daughter.’ I hope the best for all of you. The level of patience around our kids and tolerance for the ‘true believers’ around us is beyond what many parents have to endure.

Islamae's avatar

You are brave and courageous to have fled with your daughter. A properly bonded mother does not affirm destructive delusion, nor do "friends". Great work & praying for full healing for your precious child. (Mine was 21 when he started- still hoping & trying)

Islamae's avatar

We are 13 years in. Despite the first three being marred by his belief that I hate him because I disagree that he is my daughter, I am one of the lucky ones. I was only alienated briefly at the inception of this nightmare. After years of begging, reminding & reassuring him that I love him unconditionally, we now maintain a positive relationship, agreeing to disagree. He credits(blames) me with "not helping" him "transition". I told him early on that I, not his "community", will be here for him when he bleeds out from amputation gone awry. He has demanded I not send detransitioners' testimonies & refuses to discuss the hormones he's taking (none of my business, except that he's experiencing chronic health issues & has been diagnosed with dis ease known to result from use of opposite sex hormones). He is sensitive & fragile, and has attempted suicide in the past, so I walk on eggshells & try to stick to helping with normal life challenges, celebrating his fleeting accomplishments & joys.

His sisters are devastated, but do their best to carry on in their lives, without their loving, protective, wise in many ways & talented brother. We all avoid pronouns & use his earlier chosen name that is neutral rather than his current exclusively female identifier. He and I often discuss him moving with his girlfriend to our region to be closer. He is not a homosexual, nor an autogynephile. He has a strong work ethic & is valued in his profession as a chef. He cares about others & takes on their trauma before his own.

We all miss him terribly.

Yesterday, after his sister shared a text with me regarding an acute health crisis that is jeopardizing his life & livelihood, I broke. He's in his 30's now and this is serious, yet no doctor will tell him the truth. I spent hours succinctly compiling my saved evidence of the known side effects of female hormones as they relate to his conditions, as well a a handful of varied & poignant detrans testimonies. My desperation & helplessness got the best of me. I'm more easily triggered since his younger cousin took his own life last year after a couple years on MTF HRT which caused chronic pain that his doctor(s) & ER visits failed to identify (he was affirmed by all his friends & family who knew). I have yet to hear back from my son so please pray for me, for my precious son, and for all our beloved wayward children.

Mama Bear Proud's avatar

I'm so sorry! It's infuriating what the medical profession is doing to our sons & daughters!! I hope your son is OK and he reaches out to you soon.

Islamae's avatar

Thanks very much♡♡

hgood's avatar

after 7 years of my daughter looking like a creature i don’t recognize i feel the same. often i get terribly depressed, sometimes i am in pure denial and when asked how many children i have i just say one daughter ( instead of two)

often i hate myself by my inability to live and accept my own child, i would never love a drug addict or a brainwashed cult follower?

but the drain on my life and the rest of the family is constant and ever present.

we can’t all directly hate my daughter but we absolutely can’t stand for 5 seconds any politician, tv show etc promoting this garbage.

i guess it is the pergatory of a lot of us.

Mama Bear Proud's avatar

But our kids are in a cult. They were vulnerable for various reasons - this is a society approved cult.

Stephen B's avatar

I don’t ever wanna give up on the detransition dream 🙏🏻

Dr. Molly Rutherford's avatar

As a medical professional who never supported transing kids, I must admit I had a patient (in her 60s) who was female-male, and I did participate, in that I continued to prescribe testosterone after her doctor (a supposed specialist in this delusion) retired. Eventually she left the practice, as she became eligible for Medicare, and I do not participate in govt health programs or insurance. My viewpoint had evolved toward the end of our patient-physician relationship, and I was relieved that she left. I felt I was causing harm. I like this person. She is extremely intelligent, and in hindsight most likely classic high functioning autism spectrum (still lives at home, self employed i.e. unemployable, single...). I see much of this trans phenomenon as demonic at this point. I pray that God will intervene, that more people will learn the Gospel and decide to follow Jesus, as He is the true healer. Unfortunately, the church has been co-opted by these Marxist, demonic ideologies. We should love the sinner, and hate the sin, but Jesus preached truth in love, not enabling our own sins. As a parent, I don't have this challenge with my kids, but I have a 20 year old son and 17 year old son, both of whom make bad, harmful decisions, so I can relate to many of the struggles you describe. Moms especially want to intervene, to control the outcome, but unfortunately, we have to allow our kids to learn from their bad decisions. I am appalled that my profession continues to participate in destroying children, and I truly believe more doctors, therapists, nurses deserve to be sued for it. Navigating this online world is exhausting. I try to remember that the battle is spiritual. Ephesians 6:12.

From Ritual to Romance's avatar

My heart goes out to you. I can only imagine the pain.🫂

Cece's avatar

Eerily reminds me of a family friend who has a daughter who was converted / inducted into the Jehovah’s Witnesses, by a friend, without their knowledge. She was secretly attending cult meetings after school, without telling them, and before they even knew it, all the programming had REALLY taken hold. She ended up marrying another JW, and having two children with him, that are now also being raised as JWs. Her parents are both devastated, but have also known for years now that they have LOST the fight, and that she will almost certainly never leave the cult. As she’s got entirely too much invested in it, she would lose her family and friends, and her entire social network, if she left, plus this is sincerely what she wants, seemingly. So.. they just don’t talk about their feelings, to avoid confrontation, and the risk of being disowned and not getting to see her, or their grandchildren. Which, I get it. In BOTH cases. And the extreme similarities at play, here, should really tell anyone exactly what kind of beast “trans” actually is. Although I’d say it’s actually even WORSE than most cults, as it also physically destroys people’s bodies and health, leading to eventual health complications, a decreased lifespan, ruined sexual functioning, ruined fertility, etc. It is VICIOUS, and how anyone can support it is just beyond me at this point.

Interesting, also, the question of: how have my views on this changed over the years? If anything, I have gotten much more hardline, and determined to NEVER ever sell out to this evil belief system, in any way, ever. And I don’t. I don’t always tell people exactly what I think, either, but I never lie, and I always try to do so as much as I feel able to. But I think also, just like you, I have been through a process of simultaneously increasingly realizing that: there are many people who will NEVER wake up from this, no matter what we tell them, and no matter how much mainstream society catches on to just how harmful and immoral it all is. Because they have truly embraced this belief system with ALL their heart and soul, and this is where they shall remain. Not, like former me, because they were simply brainwashed and misinformed. But because they really, truly WANT this, even understanding exactly what this belief system is, and how it affects society. Which.. there is no point in trying to change or convince people like that. I think what we need to do is just simply to OUTLAW them from harming their bodies over their awful beliefs, OUTLAW them from falsifying their documents, OUTLAW them from using opposite-sex spaces, OUTLAW them from passing on this mind virus to vulnerable children and youth, OUTLAW them from proselytizing and acting it out at their work places, etc, etc!! They will of course always have the right to believe whatever they want, but absolutely NO ONE should take it seriously, their beliefs should be mocked, ridiculed, and condemned, and they should not be able to get access to ANY of the medicalization they so desperately crave, because of their beliefs. Plus hopefully, when society gets to that stage..? “Trans” will just die a natural death, more or less. I suppose there will always be a rare few people who believe that they are that, because we can’t FULLY put the genie back in the bottle again, now that it’s been released. But they should be paid no mind, and not indulged in any way. Plus they can get non affirming, reality based therapy, to help them get back to their senses, snap out of their delusions, and accept themselves, if they want.

That is where I’m at, and where I hope we’ll eventually get to. With eventually NO more casualties of this, like your daughter!!! (I’m so sorry, btw. 💔) Although the casualties should ALWAYS be remembered, and serve as self-evident proof of why we CANNOT, and SHALL NOT, EVER indulge any of this again.