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Sila Lee's avatar

While I’ve been dealing with this since 2020, I noticed immediately the religious undertones of the trans movement. I grew up in a Christian school and they were my family basically. I miss them now but back then I despised them because I was the one everyone felt sorry for. But, with the trans ideology, that’s a core tenant. You must be a victim, which takes the cake. They thought of everything and it was easy. They just repackaged Christianity and became Jesus. They’re born again as the opposite sex. If I were the devil, I’d do that as Rogan said about a transwoman breastfeeding a child. Think about how the hell that would even happen? Then, for those of us who see it for what it is, we suddenly have no doubt that God exists because we are seeing demonic forces at work.

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Linda D's avatar

Such a well written essay. Thank you so much for being able to articulate the way I feel.

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churchmusiclady's avatar

Wow.... this is an amazing essay. Thank you. This is exactly like losing a child to the Moonies or Jonestown. You have to deny reality, remove all the people from your life who don't agree with you, surround yourself only with people who affirm you. I am a Christian, and my faith instructs me to follow God with my MIND, to research, to explore, to THINK, and to challenge my own beliefs. I pray for all of our children caught up in this madness.

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LovingMother's avatar

It is very much like having a child join the Moonies or Jonestown. The main difference is that all the adults at your kid's school think it's great and follow the cult no matter what parents say. Oh, and the Federal Government actively promotes this cult.

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Adri Mans's avatar

Sorry, English is my third language and with Greek words I always have doubts and also I relay too much in the corrector but thanks, now I know how to write it correctly!

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Here For's avatar

I'm keeping your wonderful image of religious self flaggelation euphoria in my armoury of similes, love every word of your article. Wish you strength and success as a parent myself. Xx

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Un-silent's avatar

It seems more like a cult than a religion. A cult will separate you from your family or friends that don't agree, and a cult will also love bomb you to get you in. It also requires some sort of loyalty act to fully be accepted.

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churchmusiclady's avatar

YES. And a cult CANNOT be questioned, or you are not a true believer.

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Team Reality's avatar

Hey everyone, today I learned that castration of children is okay because they don't have a sex because they haven't gone through puberty. FFS I'm just lost on how that gets any sort of traction. It's just effing mental. Infants who don't have an extremely rare disorder have male or female genitals and develop accordingly during puberty. To claim they're not "sexed" until then is complete and total bullshit.

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Awoman's avatar

Right. All the Ex Catholics who were brought up in the religion and finally saw the hypocrisy, Misogyny and corruptness of protecting sex offenders are wrong. I don't think so. Turning a blind eye is not going to "save" you.

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Team Reality's avatar

I've spent quite a bit of time in lefty spaces, and the microscope on the Catholic church coupled with a basically blind eye to the abuse that happens everywhere else is annoying. Any large enough institution will cover up. Look at Sandusky at Penn State, the Boy Scouts, Michigan State and Larry Nassar, both UCLA and USC had sexual abusers as doctors for decades.

I get the anger with them, they earned it. It just shows they're not different than any other humans.

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Beth V's avatar

As a former Catholic I don't turn a blind eye to abuse elsewhere. Understanding how healthy systems and leaders operate in secular and religious spaces is important. The difference is that the leaders of the Catholic church make claims in the name of God to be morally superior and added an extra dogma of infallibility. Acts done in the name of God added a layer of insidiousness. Patriarchal authoritarian religion has its own distinct doctrines/dogmas that create spaces for abuse to exist.

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Beth V's avatar

Right, it does happen in many spaces. Still, I am tired of the "it happens everywhere excuse" as some kind of reprieve for the Catholic version of it. The Catholic Church is the only one I know that threatens kids with eternal torture if they don't confess their "mortal" sexual sins to a priest. Confession was used to groom kids. That is the reality and that piece has not even remotely been addressed.

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churchmusiclady's avatar

People are people. Whether they're pastors, priests, teachers, just average joes. We are all terribly flawed. The problem is that when you take an oath to protect, guide, lead and set an example, the hypocrisy is especially stark.

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Dave's avatar

Transgenderism is clearly a religion. Jesus rose from the dead. A man can become a woman. Both are examples of a kind of magical thinking protected in the US by the First Amendment as is my belief as an atheist that they are religious nonsense.

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LovingMother's avatar

That's fine. But, the state is not supposed to make us all follow a particular religion - as they do with this cult one - whose tenants are enforced at the highest levels - and taught as fact from K - 12 at public schools.

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Dave's avatar

Of course I agree with you. That’s exactly the message of my comment.

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Colleen's avatar

Baptism is the surgery.

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Team Reality's avatar

To go with the Catholic theme. The name change and "coming out" is the baptism. dressing as the other sex are the classes in the faith for the First Communion, which is the hormones, the surgery is Confirmation.

Posting online about doubts, and being told they're just internalized transphobia is Confession.

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Colleen's avatar

Thanks for magnifying those details. As a Protestant we think of baptism as the big step of commitment as we only baptize adults and public testimony is given. It is kind of sacrilege to compare this evil ideology to sacred rites and rituals that are the time tested disciplines of real spirituality over the last 2000 years. Thanks for the volley!

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Team Reality's avatar

Nobody does rituals like the Catholics, except the Anglicans ;)

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Colleen's avatar

LOL I spent 30 years in the Anglican Church here in Canada. God has directed me to a .....wait for it....West Indies Pentecostal church near my home in Toronto. I love my new sisters and brothers!!! But remain formed by my 30 years in the Anglican sphere. Just couldn't stay once they were marrying same sex clergy in the church. !!!! Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy, Lord have mercy. (see the influence!)

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Brian Villanueva's avatar

Great connection. LGBTQIA++2S is a religion. It has its gods, sacraments (abortion, hormones, and surgery), churches (gender clinics), priests (doctors and phrama), saints (trans influencers), and heretics (TERFs) and apostates (detransitioners). And it definitely has its blasphemy rules, currently codified in law in most of the West.

What it lacks is forgiveness. Grace. In that sense, it bears more resemblance to Islam or Judaism than to Christianity. Like most Leftist liberationist theologies, the oppressed are permanently holy and the oppressors are forever damned. And the practitioners have no moral qualms about treating people accordingly. In the church of trans, there is no sense of the tragedy of human existence, the idea that the line between good and evil runs through each individual. There is no atonement or redemption; there is only us (the good) vs them (the evil).

For centuries we were able to pretend (via our underlying WASP culture) that our politics were about means and not ends. But they're not. Our political disagreements have become openly theological today: https://churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/all-human-conflict-is-ultimately-theological/ Perhaps this isn't a bad thing; pretending that politics isn't about ultimate values just disguises the most important features of democratic life.

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Natalia's avatar

Judaism lacks forgiveness??? What the heck? The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is slow to anger and abundant in kindness.

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Team Reality's avatar

I will say Job is a passage that gets on my nerves. Yeah, probably allegory but the lack of value on the lives of women and children comes through loud and clear. They seem as just props to test Job.

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Natalia's avatar

Can a man not be the main protagonist?

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Brian Villanueva's avatar

Yeah, I realized after I wrote it that it would come off wrong. I really should have just stuck with Islam.

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Team Reality's avatar

The moderate (and yes they exist) Muslims consider themselves as an Abrahamic religion. They acknowledge Jews and Christians as similar followers of the one true God. For the extremists they basically ignore that. I'll be happy to be educated by a Muslim reader of this who knows better.

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Toni Smith's avatar

I appreciated your thoughtful words and agree sadly

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Anna Shchemelinin's avatar

Thank you for writing this! It's so important that someone with a personal experience living in a cult-like culture can tell people the truth about the cult of Alphabet Pride. I hope your essay will awake more people, especially the ones who think they help youths consumed by the cult by "affirming" their delusional identities.

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Adri Mans's avatar

Sorry people, I brought a lot of stirring about religion, topic I m not interested in persuing on this forum, but I was just responding to somebody who brought religion to the discussion. We all will find out the truth when we died so I am not worried about that but my cause is more about speak out about children being castrated and sterilized as we speak and in a legal way and with parents support!!!

I think that I am in the most sane forum of all, the ones who can understand the difference and the one that can support parents who are opposing this madness and they don’t have the support they need because… society is in bad shape about what is good and what is bad, and yes Evil is a tangible thing!

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Adri Mans's avatar

I don’t say that, it is written that they will, everyone will.

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Steersman's avatar

Very good essay, particularly the quotes from Grossman's "Lost in Trans Nation" (indeed, Amen to that).

However, this bit from her betrays a profound misunderstanding of how reputable biologists and philosophers actually define the sexes:

MG: "thou shall deny (the sexes') establishment at conception."

By standard biological definitions -- promulgated in reputable sources like the Oxford Dictionary of Biology -- to have a sex is to have functional gonads of either of two types, those with neither being, ipso facto, sexless. We don't really ACQUIRE a sex until the onset of puberty, and can subsequently have our "membership cards" in the sex categories revoked for one reason or another. For example, transwomen who cut their nuts off turn themselves into sexLESS eunuchs -- seems like a high price to pay to "dish with the girls". De gustibus ...

But see here for links and elaborations on that theme:

https://boghossian.substack.com/p/reflections-on-a-conversation-about/comment/60145682

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Terf vibes's avatar

In fact sperm determines sex, carrying either an X or a Y chromosome to fertilize the X egg. 'To have a sex is to have functional gonads.' So children don't have a sex? Clearly they do. And people who chop off bits of their bodies and or take cross-sex hormones remain the sex dictated by their chromosomes.

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> "In fact sperm determines sex, carrying either an X or a Y chromosome to fertilize the X egg."

Sure -- the chromosomes are what CAUSES us to develop into either males or females. But the chromosomes are NOT the CRITERIA that qualifies us as members of those categories. For example, see this old tweet by biologist Emma Hilton:

Hilton: "In humans, chromosomes (well, genetic info) determine sex, that is, they are the mechanism that drives sex differentiation."

https://x.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1260851227904049154

As for what qualifies us as members, Hilton again:

Hilton: The definition of female is: of or denoting the sex that can produce large gametes. This not a matter of *observation*, this is a matter of *definition*."

https://x.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1488523777042432008

To underline that definition of hers, see these Oxford definitions which say the same things:

Oxford: "male, adjective: Of or denoting the sex that produces gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring."

https://web.archive.org/web/20190608135422/https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/male

Oxford: "female, adjective: Of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes."

https://web.archive.org/web/20181020204521/https:/en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/female

Those are the standard definitions in both popular dictionaries and in reputable biological journals, encyclopedias, and dictionaries.

> "So children don't have a sex? ... remain the sex dictated by their chromosomes."

Nope, sorry. You have to ask yourself what are the criteria that have to be met to qualify as members of a category -- as you have to be 13 to 19 to qualify as a member of the "teenager" category. You can't "self-identify" into it -- you have to be able to pay the membership dues.

And, as indicated above, the criteria to qualify as male or female is to be able to actually produce, on a regular basis, either sperm or ova. And the prepubescent are not able to reproduce because their gonads are still non-functional: no gametes, no sex. And none of those definitions say anything at all about chromosomes for the very good reason that many species don't use the same X and Y chromosomes that humans use, and for many species males and females are chromosomally identical:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-determination_system

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Terf vibes's avatar

None of this challenges the reality that the chromosomal XX/XY dichotomy determines our sex as female or male, as well as influencing our different behavioral tendencies that generally go with it, tendencies that are observable pre-puberty. Female humans are also born with all their eggs; they don't suddenly become female when they can use these eggs to reproduce. Neither are we defined by our capacity to reproduce. Many people don't reproduce indeed and they are still female or male.

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Terf vibes's avatar

I know several men who have no sperm for unknown reasons. They are still men. Female humans are still born with their eggs. Some have been impregnated under the age of ten.

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Team Reality's avatar

This. All the "affirmative care" is cosmetic. It doesn't change the actual biology. It just causes massive health problems.

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Steersman's avatar

Yea, it does "change the actual biology".

Transwomen who cut their nuts off turn themselves into sexless eunuchs. Though often accompanied by "massive health problems".

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Team Reality's avatar

That's just a castration. It doesn't change chromosomes or skeletal structure. No medicine can change chromosomes.

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Team Reality's avatar

I will agree to disagree. This definition parsing is not something I'll engage in. We ain't nothing but mammals

https://youtu.be/XgJ-h27MUAU?si=zgaeJIg3N9TqQ39v

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