@Skirt_Go_Spinny has posted a new documentary on Odysee called "Wrong Bodies" : https://odysee.com/@Skirt_Go_Spinny:7/wrong-bodies-v1:1 You have to register on Odysee, but it is free to watch. Really incisive analysis, with Jennifer Bilek (@bjportraits) of the induction into the Mutilation Cult. Skirt is also the producer of the excellent "The Call is Coming from inside the House" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBInNGgdF2M - 2022)
I described to a young friend (28yrs) the consequences of California adopting laws to welcome "runaway children"... and he rolled his eyes. He agrees that it is a totalitarian nightmare.
PS: I live in London, UK. I was so, so right to keep my 10 and 12 yr old children extremely close to me in 2006-2010 (well before smart phones, thank God!) when my trans-identifying husband left us in his "gender identity" crisis. He wanted to groom his two children to be his "brother" and "sister". This is depravity. This is the ultimate in depravity.
This is such a tragic story and like so many others. What makes a child decide that her home isn't enough and that somewhere else is better? Why would the authorities let a child make this decision when the home is a safe place? I just don't understand our system right now. These are children who are not mature enough making these decisions.
My daughter has identified FTM (3 years now). She still has a good relationship with my husband, myself , and her sister. She graduated high school this year and is planning to go to college in a month. She started testosterone shortly after she turned 18, so it has been 6 months now. Her voice has deepened and I can see a shadow on her upper lip of the hairs darkening. My husband and I still call her by "her" and her birthname. She tolerates it, though she goes by another name elsewhere. When we travel, she still uses her passport and drivers license in her birthname. We found out through insurance paperwork that she had a consultation with a doctor to have top surgery. We had a discussion with her and stated that we did not support that and wouldn't pay for college if she proceeded with it. She agreed to not have top surgery for the time she was in college (small win....maybe large win). Fast forward a couple of months and now that she is leaving for college, we presented another option to her. We would buy her a new car as long as she agreed to 1. No body mutilation and 2. She stopped taking testosterone. She was very eager to have a new car, but didn't think it was fair to ask that of her to stop taking the testosterone. We shrugged and said that this is what we wanted since we believed the drugs were not good for her body and that she was destroying her perfect body. She thought about it for about 15-30 minutes and actually agreed to our terms (Big win!). I am now hoping that she realizes in her new college life that she can just be herself without the influence of testosterone and the life she is leaving as she starts anew. We will see what comes next, but I am very happy that we pushed. I had been afraid that she too might say "no", but somewhere there is still my little girl who just wants to be loved by her parents. I continue to tell her that no matter what, I will be a part of her life until the day I die, that she isn't allowed to ever leave me.
Promoting the division of a family is evil. Interfering in someone else's business is called a "busy body" but all these affirmers who interfere in our children's lives are called heroes. The fact that the police would not help you is so unfair. Your daughter continued to run away from home and each time she drank more of the poison. I am sorry for your situation; you are not alone. So many parents affiliated with this sub stack have dealt with the exact same scenario. There seems to be no help for the parents who are trying to rescue their child. Do not give up hope, it is the one thing no one can take away from us or stop is from feeling. The truth is being told and this evil cult will be one day be a mere bad dream.
I expect California democrats have figured out the way to lose elections. No accounting for billions spent on a homeless problem that only gets worse, and the governor just signed off on social transition in grammar school, hidden from parents.
If there was actual evidence that supported this I could understand.
But the evidence that does exist means suicide 5-10 years after the transition.
So we will fuck your kid up, not tell you, and wash our hands like Pilate.
Edit to add, if I had the money, I'd run two super bowl commercials on the perverts in WPATH, who share fantasy fiction about castration of children writing child care guidance.
I’m so sad this is still happening. Despite the whistleblowers, the lawsuits, the varying governments around the world, some celebs (not many), author’s & therapists writing books. Their work is tireless, it has to end soon, surely. Tragic & senseless this has been. There’d better be a day of reckoning for the countless people who have deemed this ok.
"The police refused to file a missing person’s report, claiming they had spoken with her and that she was living with friends but wouldn’t share any additional information." I canNOT understand this. She is a minor. What is their grounds for withholding information? There are two camps sharply divided, and there will be a war. Stealing, hiding, and mutilating our children can't persist.
Parents must fight with all we have. Why? Because Affirmation Care is the what we are up against and until it is gone even the professionals on the side of reality are fired or removed. Our kids will have to go through this largely alone if they estrange the only people who believe in reality. Dissent is shouted down, reality is hard to find, parents it is up to you, fight with all you can, never give up on your children!
The affirmative model of care is ideologically driven, there is no data or science that supports it. It is a scandal and a travesty. I am a psychiatric social worker, when I have questioned the basis for this treatment it has been received with remarkably uninformed judgement and accusations of transphobia. Shame on the medical, educational and political systems that remain unquestioning and without critical thought or evidence. I am so frustrated.
Thank you so much for having the courage to tell your heartbreaking story. All parents need to take a stand and publicly call out this child-grooming for what it is.
"....mushroom and frog". Trans-identified kids and young adults are all into mushrooms and frogs (and stuffed sharks). It seems like such a cute and innocent interest but it's not. It's like a secret handshake of the tribe.
I saw that in one of the trans spaces on Reddit. Reading those really can be enlightening. Sometimes infuriating, sometimes it just hurts knowing how bad the "medical" treatment is for their health, and it won't fix their comorbid issues with OCD or autism or fear of sexual assault
And the Mushroom thing comes from a video game some form of Mario brothers, with I think user-generated power-up thing that gender swaps the character and gives it powers.
My daughter is in sixth grade. This could be me. I’m so sorry. Too much freedom in our society, and too many mothers shunned and gaslit for real. It’s real. I believe you.
They're relying on WPATH, which appears to be simply a bunch of profiteers and sociopathic fetishists. Because they don't know better because they're in their own information silo.
In 2010, the pseudonymous ‘Jesus’ posted to the forum on how WPATH authorities had come to perceive the term “gender identity disorder” as outdated, saying he was in attendance at a 2009 meeting in Oslo, where there was consensus to implement the term “gender dysphoria” in the subsequent edition of the Standards of Care.
“The draft for the next edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (the DSM-5) suggests ‘Gender Incongruence,’ which I much prefer,” he wrote, “The body and mind are out of sync, with no mental illness implied!”
In 2016, ‘Jesus’ claimed to have been specifically chosen to rewrite a portion of the Standards of Care by former WPATH president Eli Coleman, who “pointed at me and announced that I was expected to provide input on eunuchs for the revision. Now is our opportunity to help devise the standards of care that will be most helpful,” wrote Jesus.
So who was Jesus you ask? They followed up and found out:
While a third, and arguably the most well-regarded member of the forum, was revealed to be Thomas W. Johnson, a professor emeritus at California State University-Chico who has lectured extensively on gender dysphoria and “expanding the transgender umbrella.” Johnson utilized the moniker “Jesus” on the Eunuch Archive and registered with the forum in 2001.
Oh, Oregon. Portland especially. I used to love that town. Now, after hearing from a friend there about his teen daughter’s “gender identity” that got medicalized, and how trapped he felt personally and professionally to “affirm” this lesbian girl with a new name and pronouns… well, it really has that Invasion of the Body Snatchers feel to it now. I picture Portland as populated by pod people who have no tolerance for any thoughtful parent who pushes back on these “treatments” and “kindness.”
Never mind the suicidal kids. I know parents driven to the brink of self-harm by the experience of having the entire system conspire to rob your child of essential human functions, simultaneously creating the alienation of any loving parent who attempts to safeguard their child against frank harm.
I used to think I would have loved living in Portland, raising my GenZ kids there. Now I’m so grateful I did not. Although the place I live here in Canada is nearly as zealous about such “affirmative care,” and kids can access hormones and surgeries without parental consent if the kids are deemed “mature minors.” I’ve watched a few cases of this play out. Nightmarish.
My heart breaks for every parent facing this monolithic and misguided machine of “gender medicine.” To me, it seems impossible to approach emotional distress with surgery and call it “care.”
I meant to say I’m not convinced about kids being at risk of imminent suicide if they’re not given access to the pharmacy and O.R…. But I’m seeing parents truly struggle to want to stay alive when watching kids being “affirmed” in ways that destroy function.
My daughter was diagnosed with a fatal, but treatable, genetic disease when she was 9 months old. I have always disciplined myself to remember that this is all happening to her, not me. (However, I’m not shy about reminding her that I’ve gotten my share of pain out of the whole thing, which she respects.) Having made decisions since her infancy of whether to accept treatments that are only safe relative to the progression of her disease, I think that attitude is very important, and that NOT blaming your child for what you’re going through is the most important attitude to cultivate. It’s very normal for children by 14 to 16 years old to be making their own major medical decisions even though that legally remains the parent’s responsibility until they are 18 (in the US). They’re the ones who have to live with the consequences, after all.
I’m very sorry to hear that this situation is making people suicidal, and I take that very seriously. To tell someone “Keep on blaming your child and hating the people who are trying to support them with their situation” is not the path to healing those horrible feelings. Thank God that I didn’t have people saying that sort of thing to me when I was going through the worst time of my life - it would have been devastating.
The suicide threat is a vicious lie, btw. Statistically they are no more at risk of suicide than other teens with the same mental health diagnoses. Or at least until they medicalize- the data shows that suicidal behaviors only increase substantially compared to their cohorts AFTER the irreversible medical effects set in.
This awful destruction of parents’ lives is being downplayed and ignored. Parents who have spent years, decades, focusing intently on caring for their children’s health and wellbeing, suddenly sidelined as “hateful bigots” and “dangerous” if they dare hold up the “time out” sign on loss-of-function medicalization or social transition.
Yes, the kids are our first concern. But kids need their parents… more than they need CPS or a “glitter family” (ugggghhh… what ROGD female is into “glitter”? The one-label-fits-all of “trans” is unsuitable for most ROGD kids generally). Those parents are being broken and alienated by gender ideology. This “civil rights” approach to sex-trait body modification is destroying families. I’ve seen it.
That’s why I’m here in these threads. To tell you all that I see this awful house of mirrors nightmare you’re in, and I care. About YOU.
It's part of their online communities. Part of the social contagion. It can be a tween girl finding modern porn extremely disturbing and "transition" is an escape or sexual assault (Ellen/Elliot Page I believe made references to being a sexual assault survivor)
Can be schools trying to reduce bullying by teaching stuff to make kids confused, and go search it up on their own. Puberty is hard. Some kids are socially awkward and will blame that on "gender" instead of an underlying mental health condition like autism, or trauma caused depression.
As someone who used to work in the juvenile justice system (both criminal and civil abuse/neglect) in one of the largest cities in the US, your experience outrages me. There are thousands of kids who are ACTUALLY being abused and neglected every day - they are starved, physically abused, left for weeks and days with no parent, born with drugs in their system - horrific stories that will stay with me for the rest of my life. The idea that CPS, schools, individuals and the courts are focusing ANY energy on non-affirming parents is a failure of our systems that would have been unfathomable just a few years ago. I pray that your daughter returns to you one day.
@Skirt_Go_Spinny has posted a new documentary on Odysee called "Wrong Bodies" : https://odysee.com/@Skirt_Go_Spinny:7/wrong-bodies-v1:1 You have to register on Odysee, but it is free to watch. Really incisive analysis, with Jennifer Bilek (@bjportraits) of the induction into the Mutilation Cult. Skirt is also the producer of the excellent "The Call is Coming from inside the House" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBInNGgdF2M - 2022)
Horrific! A catastrophe!
I described to a young friend (28yrs) the consequences of California adopting laws to welcome "runaway children"... and he rolled his eyes. He agrees that it is a totalitarian nightmare.
PS: I live in London, UK. I was so, so right to keep my 10 and 12 yr old children extremely close to me in 2006-2010 (well before smart phones, thank God!) when my trans-identifying husband left us in his "gender identity" crisis. He wanted to groom his two children to be his "brother" and "sister". This is depravity. This is the ultimate in depravity.
This is such a tragic story and like so many others. What makes a child decide that her home isn't enough and that somewhere else is better? Why would the authorities let a child make this decision when the home is a safe place? I just don't understand our system right now. These are children who are not mature enough making these decisions.
My daughter has identified FTM (3 years now). She still has a good relationship with my husband, myself , and her sister. She graduated high school this year and is planning to go to college in a month. She started testosterone shortly after she turned 18, so it has been 6 months now. Her voice has deepened and I can see a shadow on her upper lip of the hairs darkening. My husband and I still call her by "her" and her birthname. She tolerates it, though she goes by another name elsewhere. When we travel, she still uses her passport and drivers license in her birthname. We found out through insurance paperwork that she had a consultation with a doctor to have top surgery. We had a discussion with her and stated that we did not support that and wouldn't pay for college if she proceeded with it. She agreed to not have top surgery for the time she was in college (small win....maybe large win). Fast forward a couple of months and now that she is leaving for college, we presented another option to her. We would buy her a new car as long as she agreed to 1. No body mutilation and 2. She stopped taking testosterone. She was very eager to have a new car, but didn't think it was fair to ask that of her to stop taking the testosterone. We shrugged and said that this is what we wanted since we believed the drugs were not good for her body and that she was destroying her perfect body. She thought about it for about 15-30 minutes and actually agreed to our terms (Big win!). I am now hoping that she realizes in her new college life that she can just be herself without the influence of testosterone and the life she is leaving as she starts anew. We will see what comes next, but I am very happy that we pushed. I had been afraid that she too might say "no", but somewhere there is still my little girl who just wants to be loved by her parents. I continue to tell her that no matter what, I will be a part of her life until the day I die, that she isn't allowed to ever leave me.
Well done, Mom! Being "steely" and focussed on your daughter's well being is turning out right! I hug you. Being firm is essential. XXX
It was an amazing podcast Ashly, thank you.
And if any other PITT parent wants to do the same, hit me up.
Promoting the division of a family is evil. Interfering in someone else's business is called a "busy body" but all these affirmers who interfere in our children's lives are called heroes. The fact that the police would not help you is so unfair. Your daughter continued to run away from home and each time she drank more of the poison. I am sorry for your situation; you are not alone. So many parents affiliated with this sub stack have dealt with the exact same scenario. There seems to be no help for the parents who are trying to rescue their child. Do not give up hope, it is the one thing no one can take away from us or stop is from feeling. The truth is being told and this evil cult will be one day be a mere bad dream.
I expect California democrats have figured out the way to lose elections. No accounting for billions spent on a homeless problem that only gets worse, and the governor just signed off on social transition in grammar school, hidden from parents.
If there was actual evidence that supported this I could understand.
But the evidence that does exist means suicide 5-10 years after the transition.
So we will fuck your kid up, not tell you, and wash our hands like Pilate.
Edit to add, if I had the money, I'd run two super bowl commercials on the perverts in WPATH, who share fantasy fiction about castration of children writing child care guidance.
Honestly that could be a twilight zone episode.
I’m so sad this is still happening. Despite the whistleblowers, the lawsuits, the varying governments around the world, some celebs (not many), author’s & therapists writing books. Their work is tireless, it has to end soon, surely. Tragic & senseless this has been. There’d better be a day of reckoning for the countless people who have deemed this ok.
This is so horrendous I just……. 🤬🤬🤬
Oh my Lord. So many people against parents who only have their children's best interest in mind. When will this stop?
"The police refused to file a missing person’s report, claiming they had spoken with her and that she was living with friends but wouldn’t share any additional information." I canNOT understand this. She is a minor. What is their grounds for withholding information? There are two camps sharply divided, and there will be a war. Stealing, hiding, and mutilating our children can't persist.
Parents must fight with all we have. Why? Because Affirmation Care is the what we are up against and until it is gone even the professionals on the side of reality are fired or removed. Our kids will have to go through this largely alone if they estrange the only people who believe in reality. Dissent is shouted down, reality is hard to find, parents it is up to you, fight with all you can, never give up on your children!
This is a fight against an authoritarian ideology that is destroying families!
The affirmative model of care is ideologically driven, there is no data or science that supports it. It is a scandal and a travesty. I am a psychiatric social worker, when I have questioned the basis for this treatment it has been received with remarkably uninformed judgement and accusations of transphobia. Shame on the medical, educational and political systems that remain unquestioning and without critical thought or evidence. I am so frustrated.
Thank you for questioning. Please keep resisting and educating others!
Thank you so much for having the courage to tell your heartbreaking story. All parents need to take a stand and publicly call out this child-grooming for what it is.
"....mushroom and frog". Trans-identified kids and young adults are all into mushrooms and frogs (and stuffed sharks). It seems like such a cute and innocent interest but it's not. It's like a secret handshake of the tribe.
Really? I never heard about that! So how does that work?
I knew about the Ikea shark, picked for colors, others I don't get. Id guess frog/tadpole somehow
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/blahaj-soft-toy-shark-90373590/?msclkid=b8f1a2d7a536197101d8c442db83d310&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=EN_Shopping_Hybrid_Children%27s%20IKEA_Standard-Regular_IKE-IKE-088_IKEA_FY24_Bing_ROAS_Children_PLA&utm_term=4580359296036964&utm_content=Comfort%20Toys
Where did you hear about the IKEA shark? My son wanted it so bad when he was in college. It kind of makes sense, but I never heard that.
I saw that in one of the trans spaces on Reddit. Reading those really can be enlightening. Sometimes infuriating, sometimes it just hurts knowing how bad the "medical" treatment is for their health, and it won't fix their comorbid issues with OCD or autism or fear of sexual assault
And the Mushroom thing comes from a video game some form of Mario brothers, with I think user-generated power-up thing that gender swaps the character and gives it powers.
Some 7-10 years ago I probably would have thought "What a fun game! Seems like creative fun"
My daughter is in sixth grade. This could be me. I’m so sorry. Too much freedom in our society, and too many mothers shunned and gaslit for real. It’s real. I believe you.
They're relying on WPATH, which appears to be simply a bunch of profiteers and sociopathic fetishists. Because they don't know better because they're in their own information silo.
https://reduxx.info/top-trans-medical-association-collaborated-with-castration-child-abuse-fetishists/
In 2010, the pseudonymous ‘Jesus’ posted to the forum on how WPATH authorities had come to perceive the term “gender identity disorder” as outdated, saying he was in attendance at a 2009 meeting in Oslo, where there was consensus to implement the term “gender dysphoria” in the subsequent edition of the Standards of Care.
“The draft for the next edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (the DSM-5) suggests ‘Gender Incongruence,’ which I much prefer,” he wrote, “The body and mind are out of sync, with no mental illness implied!”
In 2016, ‘Jesus’ claimed to have been specifically chosen to rewrite a portion of the Standards of Care by former WPATH president Eli Coleman, who “pointed at me and announced that I was expected to provide input on eunuchs for the revision. Now is our opportunity to help devise the standards of care that will be most helpful,” wrote Jesus.
So who was Jesus you ask? They followed up and found out:
While a third, and arguably the most well-regarded member of the forum, was revealed to be Thomas W. Johnson, a professor emeritus at California State University-Chico who has lectured extensively on gender dysphoria and “expanding the transgender umbrella.” Johnson utilized the moniker “Jesus” on the Eunuch Archive and registered with the forum in 2001.
https://reduxx.info/exclusive-california-gender-academic-inspired-pedophilic-fantasy-on-castrating-enslaving-young-boys/
That's freaking WPATH, the more you look the worse it gets.
It's bad enough that prominent people resigned from it, before the WPATH files came out, or the Alabama discovery came out:
https://quillette.com/2022/01/06/a-transgender-pioneer-explains-why-she-stepped-down-from-uspath-and-wpath/
Don't want to be him on judgment day.
Oh, Oregon. Portland especially. I used to love that town. Now, after hearing from a friend there about his teen daughter’s “gender identity” that got medicalized, and how trapped he felt personally and professionally to “affirm” this lesbian girl with a new name and pronouns… well, it really has that Invasion of the Body Snatchers feel to it now. I picture Portland as populated by pod people who have no tolerance for any thoughtful parent who pushes back on these “treatments” and “kindness.”
Never mind the suicidal kids. I know parents driven to the brink of self-harm by the experience of having the entire system conspire to rob your child of essential human functions, simultaneously creating the alienation of any loving parent who attempts to safeguard their child against frank harm.
I used to think I would have loved living in Portland, raising my GenZ kids there. Now I’m so grateful I did not. Although the place I live here in Canada is nearly as zealous about such “affirmative care,” and kids can access hormones and surgeries without parental consent if the kids are deemed “mature minors.” I’ve watched a few cases of this play out. Nightmarish.
My heart breaks for every parent facing this monolithic and misguided machine of “gender medicine.” To me, it seems impossible to approach emotional distress with surgery and call it “care.”
I meant to say I’m not convinced about kids being at risk of imminent suicide if they’re not given access to the pharmacy and O.R…. But I’m seeing parents truly struggle to want to stay alive when watching kids being “affirmed” in ways that destroy function.
Yes, that would be me in the first year since my daughter stepped on the trans train. Suicidal ideation was a regular occurrence.
My daughter was diagnosed with a fatal, but treatable, genetic disease when she was 9 months old. I have always disciplined myself to remember that this is all happening to her, not me. (However, I’m not shy about reminding her that I’ve gotten my share of pain out of the whole thing, which she respects.) Having made decisions since her infancy of whether to accept treatments that are only safe relative to the progression of her disease, I think that attitude is very important, and that NOT blaming your child for what you’re going through is the most important attitude to cultivate. It’s very normal for children by 14 to 16 years old to be making their own major medical decisions even though that legally remains the parent’s responsibility until they are 18 (in the US). They’re the ones who have to live with the consequences, after all.
I’m very sorry to hear that this situation is making people suicidal, and I take that very seriously. To tell someone “Keep on blaming your child and hating the people who are trying to support them with their situation” is not the path to healing those horrible feelings. Thank God that I didn’t have people saying that sort of thing to me when I was going through the worst time of my life - it would have been devastating.
The suicide threat is a vicious lie, btw. Statistically they are no more at risk of suicide than other teens with the same mental health diagnoses. Or at least until they medicalize- the data shows that suicidal behaviors only increase substantially compared to their cohorts AFTER the irreversible medical effects set in.
This awful destruction of parents’ lives is being downplayed and ignored. Parents who have spent years, decades, focusing intently on caring for their children’s health and wellbeing, suddenly sidelined as “hateful bigots” and “dangerous” if they dare hold up the “time out” sign on loss-of-function medicalization or social transition.
Yes, the kids are our first concern. But kids need their parents… more than they need CPS or a “glitter family” (ugggghhh… what ROGD female is into “glitter”? The one-label-fits-all of “trans” is unsuitable for most ROGD kids generally). Those parents are being broken and alienated by gender ideology. This “civil rights” approach to sex-trait body modification is destroying families. I’ve seen it.
That’s why I’m here in these threads. To tell you all that I see this awful house of mirrors nightmare you’re in, and I care. About YOU.
It's part of their online communities. Part of the social contagion. It can be a tween girl finding modern porn extremely disturbing and "transition" is an escape or sexual assault (Ellen/Elliot Page I believe made references to being a sexual assault survivor)
Can be schools trying to reduce bullying by teaching stuff to make kids confused, and go search it up on their own. Puberty is hard. Some kids are socially awkward and will blame that on "gender" instead of an underlying mental health condition like autism, or trauma caused depression.
As someone who used to work in the juvenile justice system (both criminal and civil abuse/neglect) in one of the largest cities in the US, your experience outrages me. There are thousands of kids who are ACTUALLY being abused and neglected every day - they are starved, physically abused, left for weeks and days with no parent, born with drugs in their system - horrific stories that will stay with me for the rest of my life. The idea that CPS, schools, individuals and the courts are focusing ANY energy on non-affirming parents is a failure of our systems that would have been unfathomable just a few years ago. I pray that your daughter returns to you one day.