It’s so scary how ideology can lead parents to cause harm to our children. It’s a blessing that you were able to fight the cult & let your kids be kids. Bless you & your family
This is what happens when human beings place love and truth above conformity, when they listen to that inner voice and when it says something that contradicts their social tribe they dig deeper instead of recoiling, denying, and projecting on others who question tribal dogma.
Now imagine if, when you decided to detransition your son, his school had reported you to CPS for suspected "conversion therapy". We are not so far from that (if not there already) in some U.S. states.
What a remarkable journey you four have been through. There is a worldview that affirms all sorts of silly things and we--even though intelligent--can be conned. Keep on keeping on in your efforts to protect your boys. As they say, "No other success can compensate for failure in the home."
Encouraging your kids to question their biology is not social justice. It's brainwashing and the worst sort of child abuse. That you awoke to that reality before surgery is a blessing. If you have a circle of friends that cheer-led you, dump every last one of them. They lack the judgement or the mental faculties to know right from wrong. That judgement is built into every last one of us but to access it you have to know how to listen to your conscience.
I read this story and it's a horror story - but I am so glad you stopped and have begun to heal and support your sons going in the right direction. However I admit it is hard to be truly happy for you. You are one of the people that has helped ruin my own son's life, our family, his future ... you've done this to so many people. Good for you that you've gotten a second chance ... so many of us out here that haven't.
I totally get your opinion. So much damage is done by ideology & cults. Parents are meant to do no harm as are health care professionals. It’s very hard to understand how a parent can play god with a child but thank god salinity prevailed.
Wow this is an awful story. Thank G-d you stopped it when you did. Hard to believe you took 4 years (4 years!) to undue the horrible abuse you perpetrated.
There is too much mention of the Nonexisten Kozmik Spirit in these forums.
Yeah I gete it, we all have coping mechanism, I have my own I would like to hear recited at Thanksgiving dinner, but those of us who don't believe in religion shouldn't be compelled to read other gushing over how much capital-h he means to them.
Thank you for writing what happened to you and your son. You have given him the basis for growing up into a beautiful healthy young man. He and you perhaps have more empathy for those who haven't learned that there are lots of ways of being a boy.
I am sorry to see insults to you on this page. And to LGBT people. You went well beyond what most parents have managed in this, to help your kids. So glad you did! Thank you for your courage and your voice.
From an outside perspective— of course your son wanted to be a girl to attach himself to you. He had no male FATHER to which to create a healthy attachment to.
That’s another area where ideaology meets reality— it’s one thing to have a gay or lesbian sexuality in theory, or even for oneself, but how does that affect children who deserve both a mother and a father?
I say this not to call judgement on the author of this article or anyone else who identifies as gay/lesbian. But our society has accepted these forms of “marriage” without thinking about the unintended consequences of kids having two dads and no mom or two moms and no dad. Don’t children have a right to both a mother and a father? We assume one can easily replace the other, but I suspect that the reality of the fallout of transgender ideology will show us to be wrong. We don’t necessarily need the old-school gender roles of working dad and stay-at-home mom—- but we do need the biological reality of male and female for children to develop healthfully.
On public assistance at some time in childhood: Lesbian (69%), gay (57%) and mom/dad (17%) (“mom/dad” throughout indicate intact, married bio-parented homes)
Currently on public assistance as young adults: Lesbian (38%), gay (23%), mom/dad (10%)
Recently/currently in therapy: lesbian (19%), gay (19%), mom/dad (8%)
Recently thought of suicide: lesbian (12%), gay (24%), mom/dad (5%)
Identify solely as heterosexual: lesbian (61%), gay (71%), mom/dad (90%)
Currently in ss romantic relationship: lesbian (7%), gay (12%), mom/dad (4%)
Ever had an STI: lesbian (20%), gay (25%), mom/dad (8%)
Ever been touched sexually by parent or adult: lesbian (23%), gay (6%), mom/dad (2%)
Ever forced to have sex against will: lesbian (31%), and gay (25%), mom/dad (8%)
So NO, actually, children raised in same-sex families are actually NOT well-adjusted compared to their peers form married biological parents of opposite sex.
The NFSS as well as other studies conducted by lesbian activist scholars, find that lesbian relationships are dramatically more likely to break up than those in heterosexual homes. This is true even in parts of the world that are highly affirming of same-sex relationships.Gunnar Andersson, et al., “The Demographics of Same-Sex Marriages in Norway and Sweden,” Demography 43 (2006): 79-98 And the research is very clear that family instability has a dramatic negative impact on the well-being of children.Paula Fomby and Andrew J. Cherlin, “Family Instability and Child Well-Being,” American Sociological Review, 72 (2007): 181-204; Hyun Sik Kim, “Consequences of Parental Divorce for Child Development, American Sociological Review, 76 (2011) 487-511.
Below are a sampling of Regnerus’ conclusive statements of his study outcomes:
The NFSS “suggests that notable differences on many outcomes do in fact exist. This is inconsistent with claims of ‘no differences’ generated by studies that have commonly employed far more narrow samples than this one.”
“But this study, based on a rare, large probability sample, reveals far greater diversity in experience of lesbian motherhood (and to a lesser extent, gay fatherhood) than has been acknowledged or understood.”
“Nevertheless, to claim that there are few meaningful statistical differences between the different groups evaluated here would be to state something that is empirically inaccurate.” [different groups examined are lesbian, gay, married intact bio-, hetero-, step-, divorced, and single-parent families]
I agree. A generation of LGB raising children has evolved into the natural anthropological outcome that one would expect. Could it be that LGB feelings are as much a confused state as TQ is? I am waiting for the day that people realize what seems readily apparent to me and some others. Feelings aren’t facts and thinking doesn’t make it so. We have tried reinventing the wheel of society as push back against tradition, religion, mores… and it hasn’t ended well.
I agree. I personally don’t understand the LGB desire to recreate marriage and a family— the whole idea of L and G (at least) is a pushback against the natural order of procreation. If you want to do that, you are free in this society to do so, (although I personally would argue that there are negative repercussions to society in doing so, but in a pluralistic society, I realize there will different opinions on this). But you don’t then get to re-define marriage and family from it. L and G lifestyle is explicitly against the natural order of procreation, so it doesn’t get to turn around and artificially procreate to opt into a family structure that its desires by their very nature rebuke. I realize this is an unpopular opinion, but there you are. I agree with you that I think LGB might be as confused as TQ. It certainly opened the door to TQ+ craziness.
The concept of "natural" came out of a 1950s advertising campaign. It's scientifically meaningless.
And yes, we do get to redefine marriage and other social mores, because equality is more important than freedom of bigotry. I'm in an interracial same-sex marriage that was illegal most of my life. If you don't like it, move to Iran and wear a hijab,
Considering you can’t procreate with your partner without some donor, I don’t consider that “natural.”
Same-sex is different than interracial.
But no, I don’t think people can redefine things that God created. Feel free to disagree with me.
But I also find it weird that homosexual people want to get married— like isn’t that too “heteronormative” to get married at all? Wasn’t the point of the rebellion against traditionally marriage partly against the married part too, not just the gender part of it?
Wow, and I thought this group was advocating to “stop gay people from being tricked into being trans”. Is this part of a pipeline or are you just going full mask off?
Thank you for being brave to share your experience. Would you be brave enough to go out into the world and broadcast your experience so that others may be diverted from the same road you trod?
I do believe that is exactly what she is doing - starting out in a forum that professes to be safe and supportive. I applaud the author for sharing her journey which has clearly been driven - in its entirety - by deep love for her children.
My recent understanding is that she has been speaking and writing tirelessly about her experience. It's brave,and her vulnerability inspiring. I am so grateful for her particular voice!
One day your son tells you that he's going to marry a man and don't mind AIDS, or he wants to marry his brother. You are a true believer or what?
It’s so scary how ideology can lead parents to cause harm to our children. It’s a blessing that you were able to fight the cult & let your kids be kids. Bless you & your family
Thank you for sharing your journey. And what a wonderful thing you have done for your sons.
I really hope with Trump (not my favorite leader) in power logic and common sense will prevail.
Thank you for your bravery
Your bravery is inspiring and contagious! You will undoubtedly help others heal from this too.
Thank you for YOUR courage. Courage calls to courage.
This is what happens when human beings place love and truth above conformity, when they listen to that inner voice and when it says something that contradicts their social tribe they dig deeper instead of recoiling, denying, and projecting on others who question tribal dogma.
Now imagine if, when you decided to detransition your son, his school had reported you to CPS for suspected "conversion therapy". We are not so far from that (if not there already) in some U.S. states.
What a remarkable journey you four have been through. There is a worldview that affirms all sorts of silly things and we--even though intelligent--can be conned. Keep on keeping on in your efforts to protect your boys. As they say, "No other success can compensate for failure in the home."
Encouraging your kids to question their biology is not social justice. It's brainwashing and the worst sort of child abuse. That you awoke to that reality before surgery is a blessing. If you have a circle of friends that cheer-led you, dump every last one of them. They lack the judgement or the mental faculties to know right from wrong. That judgement is built into every last one of us but to access it you have to know how to listen to your conscience.
It takes a lot of courage to share this story with so much vulnerability. Thank you.
I read this story and it's a horror story - but I am so glad you stopped and have begun to heal and support your sons going in the right direction. However I admit it is hard to be truly happy for you. You are one of the people that has helped ruin my own son's life, our family, his future ... you've done this to so many people. Good for you that you've gotten a second chance ... so many of us out here that haven't.
I totally get your opinion. So much damage is done by ideology & cults. Parents are meant to do no harm as are health care professionals. It’s very hard to understand how a parent can play god with a child but thank god salinity prevailed.
Wow this is an awful story. Thank G-d you stopped it when you did. Hard to believe you took 4 years (4 years!) to undue the horrible abuse you perpetrated.
There is too much mention of the Nonexisten Kozmik Spirit in these forums.
Yeah I gete it, we all have coping mechanism, I have my own I would like to hear recited at Thanksgiving dinner, but those of us who don't believe in religion shouldn't be compelled to read other gushing over how much capital-h he means to them.
Thank you for writing what happened to you and your son. You have given him the basis for growing up into a beautiful healthy young man. He and you perhaps have more empathy for those who haven't learned that there are lots of ways of being a boy.
I am sorry to see insults to you on this page. And to LGBT people. You went well beyond what most parents have managed in this, to help your kids. So glad you did! Thank you for your courage and your voice.
From an outside perspective— of course your son wanted to be a girl to attach himself to you. He had no male FATHER to which to create a healthy attachment to.
That’s another area where ideaology meets reality— it’s one thing to have a gay or lesbian sexuality in theory, or even for oneself, but how does that affect children who deserve both a mother and a father?
I say this not to call judgement on the author of this article or anyone else who identifies as gay/lesbian. But our society has accepted these forms of “marriage” without thinking about the unintended consequences of kids having two dads and no mom or two moms and no dad. Don’t children have a right to both a mother and a father? We assume one can easily replace the other, but I suspect that the reality of the fallout of transgender ideology will show us to be wrong. We don’t necessarily need the old-school gender roles of working dad and stay-at-home mom—- but we do need the biological reality of male and female for children to develop healthfully.
Education <— get one
Children of two same-sex parents come out every bit as well-adjusted, and no more likely to be gay, than those wqith opposite-sex parents.
Single parenting is vastly more harmful. All studies show this.
Some other interesting stats from the study:
On public assistance at some time in childhood: Lesbian (69%), gay (57%) and mom/dad (17%) (“mom/dad” throughout indicate intact, married bio-parented homes)
Currently on public assistance as young adults: Lesbian (38%), gay (23%), mom/dad (10%)
Unemployed: lesbian (28%), gay (20%), mom/dad (8%)
Full-time employed, currently: lesbian (26%), gay (34%), mom/dad (49%)
Recently/currently in therapy: lesbian (19%), gay (19%), mom/dad (8%)
Recently thought of suicide: lesbian (12%), gay (24%), mom/dad (5%)
Identify solely as heterosexual: lesbian (61%), gay (71%), mom/dad (90%)
Currently in ss romantic relationship: lesbian (7%), gay (12%), mom/dad (4%)
Ever had an STI: lesbian (20%), gay (25%), mom/dad (8%)
Ever been touched sexually by parent or adult: lesbian (23%), gay (6%), mom/dad (2%)
Ever forced to have sex against will: lesbian (31%), and gay (25%), mom/dad (8%)
So NO, actually, children raised in same-sex families are actually NOT well-adjusted compared to their peers form married biological parents of opposite sex.
The NFSS as well as other studies conducted by lesbian activist scholars, find that lesbian relationships are dramatically more likely to break up than those in heterosexual homes. This is true even in parts of the world that are highly affirming of same-sex relationships.Gunnar Andersson, et al., “The Demographics of Same-Sex Marriages in Norway and Sweden,” Demography 43 (2006): 79-98 And the research is very clear that family instability has a dramatic negative impact on the well-being of children.Paula Fomby and Andrew J. Cherlin, “Family Instability and Child Well-Being,” American Sociological Review, 72 (2007): 181-204; Hyun Sik Kim, “Consequences of Parental Divorce for Child Development, American Sociological Review, 76 (2011) 487-511.
Interestingly one of the largest studies on family structures, link: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0049089X12000610
Below are a sampling of Regnerus’ conclusive statements of his study outcomes:
The NFSS “suggests that notable differences on many outcomes do in fact exist. This is inconsistent with claims of ‘no differences’ generated by studies that have commonly employed far more narrow samples than this one.”
“But this study, based on a rare, large probability sample, reveals far greater diversity in experience of lesbian motherhood (and to a lesser extent, gay fatherhood) than has been acknowledged or understood.”
“Nevertheless, to claim that there are few meaningful statistical differences between the different groups evaluated here would be to state something that is empirically inaccurate.” [different groups examined are lesbian, gay, married intact bio-, hetero-, step-, divorced, and single-parent families]
I agree. A generation of LGB raising children has evolved into the natural anthropological outcome that one would expect. Could it be that LGB feelings are as much a confused state as TQ is? I am waiting for the day that people realize what seems readily apparent to me and some others. Feelings aren’t facts and thinking doesn’t make it so. We have tried reinventing the wheel of society as push back against tradition, religion, mores… and it hasn’t ended well.
It wasn't LGB people who went on Crusades chopping the heads off children while singing hymns.
Bigot.
Changing the subject. Stay on topic.
I agree. I personally don’t understand the LGB desire to recreate marriage and a family— the whole idea of L and G (at least) is a pushback against the natural order of procreation. If you want to do that, you are free in this society to do so, (although I personally would argue that there are negative repercussions to society in doing so, but in a pluralistic society, I realize there will different opinions on this). But you don’t then get to re-define marriage and family from it. L and G lifestyle is explicitly against the natural order of procreation, so it doesn’t get to turn around and artificially procreate to opt into a family structure that its desires by their very nature rebuke. I realize this is an unpopular opinion, but there you are. I agree with you that I think LGB might be as confused as TQ. It certainly opened the door to TQ+ craziness.
" natural order of procreation."
The concept of "natural" came out of a 1950s advertising campaign. It's scientifically meaningless.
And yes, we do get to redefine marriage and other social mores, because equality is more important than freedom of bigotry. I'm in an interracial same-sex marriage that was illegal most of my life. If you don't like it, move to Iran and wear a hijab,
For now, just go to hell, bigot.
Considering you can’t procreate with your partner without some donor, I don’t consider that “natural.”
Same-sex is different than interracial.
But no, I don’t think people can redefine things that God created. Feel free to disagree with me.
But I also find it weird that homosexual people want to get married— like isn’t that too “heteronormative” to get married at all? Wasn’t the point of the rebellion against traditionally marriage partly against the married part too, not just the gender part of it?
Wow, and I thought this group was advocating to “stop gay people from being tricked into being trans”. Is this part of a pipeline or are you just going full mask off?
Everyone has their own opinion here, there is no “pipeline.” I don't claim to speak for anyone but myself.
Thank you for being brave to share your experience. Would you be brave enough to go out into the world and broadcast your experience so that others may be diverted from the same road you trod?
I do believe that is exactly what she is doing - starting out in a forum that professes to be safe and supportive. I applaud the author for sharing her journey which has clearly been driven - in its entirety - by deep love for her children.
My recent understanding is that she has been speaking and writing tirelessly about her experience. It's brave,and her vulnerability inspiring. I am so grateful for her particular voice!