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T Averitt's avatar

Thank you for sharing your story. Sending strength, courage and acknowledgment that you are not alone. I hope things went well for you and your family.

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マック's avatar

Thanks for sharing your story. It’s so sad how many lesbians and gay men who have externalised their internal homophobia by using surgery to become cosmetic heterosexuals. It’s lovely that you still speak with her as I imagine she’ll peak at some point and will need someone to share her concerns with. Someone who will listen to her genuine concerns rather than affirm her cult identity. She still needs you and it sounds like that deep down she knows that.

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Gregory's avatar

Thanks, I feel for you. I don't quite understand the embrace of 'Terf' as a label. Isn't trans exclusionary a negative, prejudiced action? Isn't it a term of abuse weaponised by trans activists? I'm gender critical - deeply critical of the ideology, in favour of mental health interventions first and foremost... and perhaps when all else has failed for those in their late 20s, some of this more invasive stuff - and that seems enough... but maybe I have missed something?

Reading this, apart from my sorrow and empathy for your damaged relations with your family, I'm struck by the bankruptcy of liberal-left morality. How can so many have been so uncritical, even when presented with evidence of damage, and further so supportive of this evil, of course, not seeing it as evil? The Right has it's own ideological weaknesses no doubt but liberal-lefties seem to support wrong-headed, anti-reality stupidity so often, throughout history.... as a former LL myself, I have to wonder what's going on with this 'position'.

Personally when I was a LL I knew much less about the world. I was young and I probably needed to feel better about myself. My identity was weak and in formation. Now I've lived a good life and I don't care that much about how the world sees me and it's incredibly freeing... which comes with its own pitfalls.

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MLisa's avatar

We "grow" into common sense. For some people it takes a little longer. Most people fit comfortably in the middle leaning slightly left or right on the political spectrum. We, as a society, have allowed the polar extremes too much air time in order to "win" points/elections/contests. We are having a reckoning with that right now....and it ain't pretty!

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Soffie’s mom's avatar

Thanks for sharing. I think it’s safe to say we all share your concerns for your cousin & the ramifications of her choices.

I too will have a family wedding to attend and will be faced with seeing my daughter (in the process of FTM transition) for the first time, in a while.

The mantra I keep telling myself is, “ this day is to honor the couple that are celebrating the sacred vows they have taken to one another.” I’m hoping & praying I can keep that commitment first & foremost in all my interactions.

I pray you’re able to do the same. Wishing you the best of luck.

❤️🙏🕊️

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EndThisMadness's avatar

Thank you for sharing your experience, it would be interesting to hear how the future meeting goes. You may not be a parent of a trans person but you certainly have gone through a lot of what we have. One thing that stands out to me is the fact your parents so willingly accepted this and supported it while you were the one with the practical and very real concern about the whole thing. I simply cannot comprehend their way of thinking. Good on you for taking a stand that comes from the love and caring about another person's well being. That's what we all want.

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Kyle Reese's avatar

thanks for your comments. it really shows how much you care about this family member. but at some point one must consider that ones efforts are counter productive. part of the attraction of gender ID is that it provides a attention and consideration that otherwise wouldnt be available. attention can be negative or positive it doesnt matter. playing the straight role to those effected by gender ID or narcessism can be extreemly valuable to the person seeking attn. when the attn is received, it acts to emphaisize the behavior that yeiled the attn. sometimes its better to back out. this isnt your fault. if one reads articles on how to deal with a narcissist, its also good advise on how to deal with som1 affected by gender ID.

heres a link from reddit about the similarities of narcissism and gender ID and some info found on google on same subject. the comparison is apt because with narcissism, its another lose lose situation where attn seeking is the primary goal.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ask_detransition/comments/vcx7vm/do_you_think_there_is_a_link_between/?captcha=1

from google - Narcissism and gender identity are related in a number of ways, including:

Narcissistic personality disorder and gender identity disorder

A study found that 57.1% of patients with gender identity disorder (GID) had narcissistic personality disorder.

Narcissism and gender identity development

Narcissistic activities can help structure and maintain the self, but they can also help shore up a precarious sense of gender identity.

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Mama Ain't Playin''s avatar

To quote the Boss: “Someday we’ll look back on this & it will all seem funny.” 😂

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Gay J's avatar

It's so sad - just like a pebble tossed into a pond, the ripples of discord spread, disrupting even close relationships. I hope the wedding can be a peaceful and happy event, but I fear for you it may not be. Good luck.

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Susan C Wilson's avatar

We have to stop this madness. I think this may be the most important issues in the 2024 election. If for no other reason this is why we need Trump. Please vote this election and vote for the candidate that will end this.

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L Word's avatar

The minute you mention Judith Butler, my heart sinks. The damage she has inflicted on gays and lesbians, being one herself, is immeasurable. That anyone, let alone feminists, can read her seminal works (almost incoherent and contradictory at times) without raising an eyebrow of disbelief and questions is beyond. But I’ve seen it across university departments in every post secondary institution who embraced her contentious philosophical theory, called no debate and have heralded her work as visionary and settled science. The love affair with her of adoring lesbians is profound and unsettling. It doesn’t help that she teaches at Berkley. Any voices that have risen to argue and shoot down her theory, including lesbians like Kathleen Stock, have been fired from academia and labelled TERF haters.

I blame academia for this. Make no mistake: this is where it started and who continues to carry it. What were supposed to be institutions of critical thought and debate have failed us. Now the junk science of Gender Theory has been indoctrinated into younger generations.

I also blame people who have funded Gender Study departments and those in academia who took millions of dollar in donations without questioning motives or overseeing curriculum.

We must challenge how this was allowed to happen and work to have these programs shut down at the university level. If for no other reason that they have silenced so many voices and called no debate.

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MLisa's avatar

"The move from a structuralist account in which capital is understood to structure social relations in relatively homologous ways to a view of hegemony in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence, and rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies of the rearticulation of power."

This sentence (run on and on and on) by Judith Butler, won her the Bad Writing Contest in 1998. She was a hack then and she's a hack now. I believe she published another book recently which got accolades from some big mouthed trans identified man in woman's costume.

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L Word's avatar

I cannot read her it’s such muddled thought, so pompous and contradictory. Good lord, I need to fall asleep, I pick up Butler whereupon my eyes glaze over 😵‍💫and I’m out. I usually have to take two aspirins to reduce the headache before I’m asleep. Why does academia reward such bad writing? I blame Berkeley.

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Anon's avatar

I agree. Taught like the science is settled on this when it is clearly not. We have all been blindsided because we trusted teachers, doctors. We thought they knew best.

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L Word's avatar

Gender Theory was never a science. It is a philosophical belief put forth by philosophers in academia. What has happened is akin to allowing academia to take Karl Marx’s “Communist Manifesto”, indoctrinate it into society, shut down all dialogue and debate on campus and fire anyone who disagrees with Communism.

Whoever in academia that allowed this to happen across every university in every Western Nation should be held accountable.

I agree: we were all blindsided. But it’s not too late to take action. If we don’t in whatever way we can, then we share in the blame. Which is why the daily stories in PITT are so important. I wish they’d be self published on Amazon or somewhere so they can reach more people. Maybe some won’t listen but many of us are. Please keep writing because you are being seen and heard.

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Anon's avatar

Perhaps we should reference the PITT essays to our local politicians, local TV stations? They are the most real account of what is happening

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L Word's avatar

Agreed. Many of us are starting to share the links on LinkedIn (the grown up social media as I like to call it).

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PITT's avatar

There is a Pitt book available on Amazon. Parents with Inconvenient Truths about Trans: Tales from the Home Front in the Fight to Save Our Kids, a compendium of some of the most compelling essays yet from PITT.

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L Word's avatar

Ordered. I note only 33 reviews on Google and Good Reads. Any chance you can do a shout out to bring the reviews higher?

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L Word's avatar

Awesome. Will order it today. Is there a coordinated effort to get it pumped through every notable book review site like Good Reads and others? Some of the most compelling essays I’ve read. Maybe do a shout out?

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Beyond the Pale's avatar

Thanks for your story. What a reasonable perspective and admirable job maintaining your relationships while maintaining your boundaries. I just can't ignore the irony of intolerance-in-the-name-of-tolerance from the other side.

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Marta Gillette's avatar

It's so sad how we, the concerned, are shunted aside, shamed and shunned for trying to help somebody who is about to make the mistake of their lives; and made to feel like we don't care about them, when the exact opposite is true. We live in an increasingly strange world. The biggest letdown is seeing how easily manipulated adults, who should know better, are. It's absolutely mind boggling.

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Beeswax's avatar

This is a textbook description of the trajectory of a modern lesbian's descent into Transland. When you first described your cousin as preferring male attire and masculine behaviors and interests, I thought, oh, this girl is a lesbian. I came out 50 years ago, and I can say with confidence that what we now call gender non-conforming behavior is normal for over 50% of lesbians (“tomboys”) and gay men (“sissies”).

When I came out, role playing (i.e., the partnering of butches and femmes) was normal and assumed. But we were also on the cusp of feminism, when sex roles were loosening up. Nevertheless, masculine women and feminine men remain a mainstay of gay community. The fact that gay kids are being brainwashed to think they’re not gay, but rather trans, exploits and feeds homophobia, and is a corruption.

Trans activists appropriated the public’s good will towards gays and applied it to trans, as though gay and trans were the same thing. We've been “force teamed” into membership in the LGBTQA+ club, but nobody asked us if we wanted to link arms with trans-identified people so we could participate in the erasure of the sexual binary and women in particular.

My message to the author is that I can understand very well why you’re ascribing your cousin’s decision to transition with the terrible traumas she experienced in childhood. It's likely that these traumas were a factor in her transition. But frankly, I don’t think she stood a chance of not being influenced to transition. Lesbian identity is fragile and tenuous right now, and the promotion and reification of trans ideology is everywhere. Young lesbians who come out and stay out rather than transition are far and few between, especially the butches. Society remains largely hostile to overtly masculine women. To make matters worse, the days when lesbians had our own self-affirming communities with social and political groups, music festivals, bookstores and so on, are gone. Our bars have been taken over by heterosexual men in drag calling themselves lesbians and demanding sexual favors from us.

However, things aren't static, and there is hope. People of both sexes do detransition, and activism is ongoing. (See, for instance, the LGBT Courage Coalition on Substack.) But getting there is a hard road.

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L Word's avatar

I am the same. Came out 40 years ago and became a political activist for women’s and LGB rights. Thank god some groups are breaking ranks with the alphabet soup, like LGB Alliance. We are starting to slowly get through that our movement (the Gay and Lesbian civil rights movement) has been hijacked and slowly LGB are starting to see it. So many are afraid to speak out in our community because to do so means you’re immediately outcast and possibly sued. Every alphabet soup LGBTQ+ organization across every Western Nation is now corrupt in my opinion and continues to advocate for medicalization of vulnerable TIKs. We desperately need more detransitioners and desistors to step forward and speak out.

My immediate goal is to take out the LGBTQ+ alphabet soup organizations that are funded to the tune of millions of dollars a year by corporations. $80+ million in annual donations to Human Rights Campaign (US) alone. Appreciate that they recently appointed as Board Chair a straight, parent advocate for a TIK kid. So much lobbying power that we cannot get back in or fight them. Without these corporate donations, their lobbying power ceases. So, yes, I vote to burn down the houses we built which are no longer fit for purpose.

Please encourage and support companies that are choosing to withdraw donations.

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L Word's avatar

I have tried to find other LGB activists who feel as I do. If you know any, please connect them to me, especially in Canada where we’re batting poorly given our laws. We’re going in and many have been doing it for years like LGB Alliance in the UK (now up and running in Australia and hitting back hard). Some of us are not hiding behind pseudonyms. Please find us on LinkedIn and social media sites as we attempt to help right this mess. Please also consider donating a few dollars to groups like Sex Matters, LGB Alliance and the activist groups who have risen. We never needed a lot to get a job done. Gay rights were affected by what was pretty much a group of young people with a few bucks in their pocket and big hearts. We never needed $80+ million plus annually to advocate for our rights or to have a Pride parade. So move to cut donations to these groups which have caused so much pain and suffering immediately.

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Beeswax's avatar

Mary, do you know Eva Kurilova? She lives in Calgary and writes for The Distance on Substack. She's a lesbian and a great writer. In the past she has devoted her journalism to the history of lesbian culture in the 20th century, among other things. Here's one of her recent posts: https://www.thedistancemag.com/cp/147582996

Another woman you may already be familiar with is Meghan Murphy, the Canadian who founded Feminist Current and has an eclectic podcast on Substack called The Same Drugs. She moved to Mexico because she was under constant threat from TRAs due to her insistence on referring to trans-identified men as men. She's back and forth between Mexico and Canada to do anti-trans events. She's not a lesbian but she's definitely a powerful and fearless ally. She might know some Canadian lesbians that she could refer you to.

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L Word's avatar

Yes. I’ve met Eva. She’s quite young but full of energy. Also the Vancouver Lesbian Collective and the two gay men involved with LGB Alliance Canada who seem to have failed to launch or do anything effective. Watched Meghan Murphy and think she is fairly strong so great idea I should connect with her. Also connected to a couple of LGB detransitioners here. More would be helpful because we need them to speak. Who needs the Cass Report to say harm has been done when we’ve got them? The mothership, LGB Alliance UK, is trying to help and I am connecting to more of my old activist friends. My feeling is we need to recall some of our older, more mature LGB activists to step in. People who are out, lived and understand our history, were strong activists, understand what we’re up against, what’s a stake and who have credentials and experience to lead. Also imperative that we connect quickly with strong feminist groups who are also on their feet and hitting back hard fighting to change things. It’s an uphill battle but I believe we’ll get there. They’ve taken on two of the strongest civil rights movements (women’s rights and gay rights) so all bets of us that we can effect change if we find each other and band together.

Thank you so much for engaging and giving me some leads. Really appreciate it.

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Beeswax's avatar

You’re doing great work. Thank you.

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Marta Gillette's avatar

Thank you for your comment. I've been following the lesbian hurdles with absolute horror. I'm beyond shocked how people don't see what's going on for both males and females who are same sex attracted. Both are being destroyed.

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Becky Washburn's avatar

I’m so glad you’re here… as a grandma & guardian of a beautiful 18 year old granddaughter who wants to be a boy, much of what you shared resonates with me. I’m holding the hearts of everyone here in my prayers… that truth and peace will prevail. 🌿

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Delightful Oddling's avatar

Thank you for sharing your story here.

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Veritas Praevalebit's avatar

best of luck seeing your family at the wedding. I hope you do get to have a laugh or two with your cousin.

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