I think --- I had a bit of the impulse and I was wondering about this as I was reading it. Why did I feel this way?
I think the early part "We are woke Democrats who are totally on board... we're not like one of THOSE bigots."
It's like a slap on the face. I want to feel like we're on the same team here, trying to pull -- but it starts off with a disassociation. "I am having this problem of the sort your team warned about -- but don't take it as some kind of validation, because I still oppose you and everything you stand for."
Which brings the desire to respond with "Well, right back at ya, buddy!"
Obviously that's the not the right response, and one would HOPE that these kind of suffering can lead to a reconciliation and alliance between Left and Right so we can humbly say "Though I believe X, you were right about Y and I hope we can communicate in the future."
There's just so much back-handed insults --- I noticed this when I became conservative -- Liberals really feel that they are morally superior and don't even recognize the casual bigotry they toss around. It's actually WHY I stopped being Liberal -- I started recognizing this casual bigotry and could not support it.
But yes, the reflexive bristling and responding it kind is not a good approach either.
👏🏻 Well said. I am also a disaffected liberal and Dem. I was never like that though. Probably why I was able to see through the nonsense. I made the realization around 2015 and have become more and more libertarian-conservative as time has gone on. (Not "far-right" that keeps getting thrown around)The more I read, learn, etc., the more I see how epically wrong I was before.
They write nonsensical essays to pitt like the one above and then ask if we want to join a "coalition" with them. They have been wrong at every turn, yet still pretend like we are the ones in the wrong. It is baffling that they can see through this gender woo nonsense, but nothing else.
😄 I like that. And true! It is amazing...there are a lot of obviously very intelligent people here. They see through this gender nonsense (Maybe only because it effected them...maybe it would be different if it never did), but they can't see through all of the rest of the nonsense. They still believe the SAME people that are lying to them about this. I just don't get it lol
When I started discovering how much I was lied to (about basically everything), I kept learning to see what else I was lied to about. I didn't dig my heels in and think that everything else I knew from these same people must be true. I questioned everything!
Now, when something happens or I hear something, I look into as many sides of it as possible. I get as much info from all sides, with as much primary evidence as I can, and use critical thinking to get the truth. Some others seem to still believe the ppl they know are liars.
I have a background in studying media (graduate degree).
Think about Joseph Goebbels and what he did with his propaganda for the efforts of the Nazis.
Then think that Goebbels did this with newspapers, magazines, film, and radio. Even television was in its infancy.
He did that... with what are today children's toys.
What can the Goebbelses of today do with social media, internet, and AI?
You ain't seen nothing yet.
So that's why I get pretty flustered with those that act as if the mainstream media was the only reliable source. And questioning the holy writ of, I dunno, Rachel Maddow makes you worthy of excommunication.
Exactly! Also, media manipulation has been happening here for forever too.
Operation Mockingbird. There is no actual operation named this, but the sentiment is real. The CIA admitted to giving the media stories to say. And this was decades ago. Why would they stop? Lol They turned their tactics onto us, the people, a long time ago.
Everyone who knows of OM usually talks of the Church Committee. They make a lot of admissions here. What most don't know of is the Pike Committee. That one wasn't televised like the Church Committee was. They made even more admission to it there. There's no video, but there's audio.
Anyone thinking they stopped this is incredibly naive.
Anyone thinking our government wouldn't lie and socially engineer us is incredibly naive.
Anyone who can see it in one specific area (gender nonsense), but totally ignore and pretend it doesn't happen in others is ridiculously inept in critical thinking.
Heh. Even I don't know much about the Church or Pike Committee. I've heard of Operation Mockingbird, but from what little I know they were odd experiments in brainwashing.
Hey. Isn't that interesting? I confessed something I don't know, which indicates that I might be interested in hearing more about it to make a judgement.
Were I a liberal, I would hurl insults at you and call it conspiracy theory.
The support for Gender theory by the governments--- as well as most of the LGBT agenda. Say what you will about your gay friends down the street -- I don't mean them. There was a determined push for things like legalizing same sex marriage in spite of the fact that the voters clearly did not want it. So it had to be pushed through the courts in bizarre fashion. Why?
I suspect part of the answer is the same as why Pharaoh threw baby boys into the Nile. Population reduction.
It was the CIA manipulation of the media. They would tell the media what articles to write and what to say. So, it was propaganda just like Pravda, really. There is just no name called Operation Mockingbird so the left claim it isn't true. That is just a name ppl use for it. It happened. The Church committee can be found easily because it was televised.
The Pike Committee testimony of CiA director Colby can be found on Bitchute.
It would be silly to think they don't still do it. Just look how many "ex" intelligence agents work for media. It is pretty crazy. Lol
Hmmm, we should probably give it a better name than that if it wasn't an actual "operation." Unnecessary confusion.
Twitter files show that the FBI told them to censor media companies that brought up Hunter's laptop. Claimed it was Russian "disinformation." Wasn't. So we know the FBI put their fingers on the scale for their preferred candidate, violating the first amendment.
But "no evidence of voter fraud."
I don't think I can post political cartoons or memes here, but there was one about the evolution of the intelligence apparatus.
First panel: Harry Truman walking a dog (named CIA) saying "Good boy."
Second panel: The dog is much bigger and aggressive. John F. Kennedy is fighting with the leash saying "Whoa! Calm down!"
Third panel: The dog is now the size of a truck and its Uncle Sam attached to the leash.
It was an operation or something they did. There's just no proof of it being called that. They had something called Project Mockingbird, apparently, but that is something totally different. Not sure why people call it that.
There is a huge range in right wing thinking ( as in left wing thinking) between people who have a belief system and people who have a free floating hatred of the Other that they wrap up in a belief system’s colouring. There are right wing people of good will you’d want as a neighbour, even as you don’t agree with their politics, and then there are people who are Proud Boys or the people who invaded the White House looking to hang Mike Pence, and who try to pass under the same banner. I’m sure the left have their bigots and criminal antifa idiots too. Most of us aren’t those, can we agree on that at least? She isn’t referring to anyone of good will. AND most importantly, she is openly expressing the irony that her socio-political affiliations didn’t make a damn bit of difference. So PLEASE…quit boxing this into a right/left narrative. The real people behind this agenda are neither, they tend to piggyback their movement on a left wing culture because it’s a soft target, using inclusion and civil liberties as a Trojan horse.
As a semi-regular reader of the PITT comment section, I have more or less lost belief in the existence of reasonable right wingers. Once upon a time I would have said hey, a lot of them are probably decent people whose core values aren't too radically different from my own; they can't all be Christofascists and conspiracy theorists. But with few exceptions, the right wingers who comment here live down to the worst stereotypes of their sort, and I've started to suspect that the stereotypes track pretty well with reality after all.
I deplore gender ideology and I desperately want to see it unbundled from the leftist platform. But every time I read the comments here, I am reminded that even with all its gender voodoo and assorted other woke lunacy, the left remains the lesser of two evils.
I read the comments here too and for the most part it’s parents consoling each other. Where do you get Christofascist from? If you ran into one would you run away? Confront them? What would this boogey CF do to you? Convert you? Throw holy water on you? Scary scary scary!
I guess we haven't been reading the same comment sections. While I certainly see many parents sharing support and sympathy, there always seem to be at least a handful of vocal culture warriors who use the comments section as a pulpit from which to froth and howl about the dangers of vaccines, the sinfulness of sodomy, the lies of feminism, the leftist conspiracy of climate change, and so on. Not only is this kind of far-right soapboxing obnoxious, it actively harms the mission of PITT. Newcomers to the site will inevitably run across comments that seem to have been written by people wearing tinfoil hats and/or white hoods, and if these newcomers are anywhere to the left of Marjorie Taylor Greene on the US political spectrum, they may very decide to hit their back buttons. Trans activists like to discredit their opponents by painting them as anti-gay, anti-feminist, anti-science extremists—and the anti-gay, anti-feminist, anti-science extremists who routinely treat PITT comment sections like Speakers' Corner play right into this narrative.
As far as I'm concerned, Christian evangelists are welcome to make their pitch to anyone who is freely willing to hear them out, provided the venue is appropriate. What I object to is far-right Christian extremists who not only hold values that fundamentally conflict with my own values, but actively work to impose those values on everyone else. And yes, this actually is quite frightening. Women in many parts of America now lack access to safe and legal abortion—which, as far as I am concerned, is a fundamental human right—due to the efforts of people whom I would describe as Christofascists. You are of course free to believe as you see fit. However, if you are in fact an active supporter of a cause or causes that I ardently oppose, don't pretend that my problem with you is that I'm afraid you'll throw holy water on me. That's as disingenuous as a trans activist saying "what, are you scared that a drag queen is going to throw glitter on you?"
I really appreciate the time you took to comment. I can tell you are very bothered and want to help! Unfortunately I cannot be convinced that there are Christofascists (coined by media to manufacture fear in order to control you) who want to subjugate you. Ironically you sound like the people you don’t like but on different issues. You actually sound whack-a-doodle with that Christofascist comment! On the topic of science, the scientific method requires you to be epistemologically humble when it comes to vaccines/drugs/climate change/gender transition etc. Perhaps the people who talk about topics you don’t agree with are not the most artful or politic but they truly believe that these issues you mention are connected to the PITT topic. Their comments don’t bother me. I just ignore them and I don’t come across them as often as you have. Perhaps you should interrogate where and why you are so fearful of “Christofascists” and who put that thought into your head? If you came across one would you eradicate him/her? Have you considered that your obsession with Christofascists might have been manufactured by the same source that manufactured gender ideology? Maybe you have another version of the “born in the wrong body” social hysteria.
When people who disagree with you adopt a smarmy, condescending tone and accuse you of being paranoid and obsessed, are you inspired to reconsider your position? No? Of course not. So I assume you're not actually trying to persuade me of anything; you're just needling me because it makes you feel all smug and smart to sneer at a liberal. And far be it from me to stop you! Go ahead and bask in the warm glow of your screen as you pwn a lib or whatever it is you think you're doing here.
The only one who's talking about exterminating anyone is you. Right-wing blowhards really are right up there with the gender clowns when it comes to persecution fantasies.
P.S. "Epistemological humility"? I think you mean epistemic humility, and no, the scientific method does not prescribe any such thing.
PS no I didn’t. I meant epistemological. Also you are very ignorant if you do not understand that humility is the foundation of the scientific method. You are arrogant and an angry person. But you are also a person that is in a world of hurt.
UR you are hurting and you lash out in anger. There are no Christofascists running around trying to take your rights away. You have been scared by media for purposes not conducive to your best self. You are not doing well. Studies show that liberals (as you describe yourself) report the highest level of mental distress. And I meant it when I said I appreciate you taking the time to comment and that you are earnest in trying to help. How sad that you live in a world where you have been conditioned to receive thanks and gratitude as a twisted attempt to be smarmy and condescending. No wonder youbhave not doing well and your stress levels come though in your paranoia.
Most of the Proud Boys defended against Antifa (which are the Brownshirts of the Democrats.). About 99% of what was told about J6 was a lie. It's the modern Reichstag Fire, and entrapment scheme used and orchestrated to demonize, imprison, and demoralize the opposition.
A Trump hater murdered a 19 year old kid who supported Trump. Ran him down in his car. Got five years. Five. Years.
Someone protests the stolen election? Gets 20 years. Political persecution.
So yeah, I'm not one of the false equivalence of the J6 myth. Antifa and BLM murdered dozens of people. The J6 protesters murdered no one. At least two of them were murdered by the police-- but suddenly, this is police brutality the Left enthusiastically supports.
I know this is waaaaaaaay off the main discussion. But I'm not buying the false equivalency.
I don't know who "Josh" is. But if you're talking about me. Let me start with a question.
Give me a definition of "misinformation".
It is not lies, because otherwise you would call it lies. Then you would be called upon to identify where it's a lie, and you wouldn't be able to.
Misinformation is information the government doesn't like, because it contradicts their carefully constructed narrative.
One type of "misinformation" the government does not like is saying "Men cannot become women."
This "misinformation" may be true, but it doesn't go along with the transgender agenda.
I care about truth. Not popularity.
If you think I'm "wrong" tell me where. Let's discuss a particular fact.
Never happens though. Because that's the cute thing about misinformation. No one knows what the term means, so no one can identify it.
If you say my allusion, say, of the 19 year old Trump supporter being murdered and his killer getting only five years is "misinformation" I could easily give you the name and context of that citation. So you would know it wasn't a "lie" because it's true. You have to say its "misinformation" because it contradicts the carefully made media narrative that Trump supporters are violent and Trump opposers are peaceful, even though that's plainly false.
Jonah: you have really big bones to pick & that doesn't interest me & anyway never works in a public forum like this. The January Six invasion of the US Congress & violent assaults on the police & the threats to "hang Mike Pence: ... all of that was an insurrection to derail the validation of a federal election for the U.S. President. If you can't understand that, then I can't help you. I'm sorry you are swimming in confusion. But I value our system that respects peoples' votes. Your guy, Donald Trump, lied to the nation about the election. He lost fair & square & he didn't want to admit it so he drummed up a crowd and sent then to invade the US Capitol.
Your other points don't concern me so much. Sorry for mis-naming you. Now I'll remember, Jonah believes the criminal Trump's lies. I'm sorry you're lost in that hard-right disinformation racket & I hope you find your way back.
Sent them to invade? The guy literally told ppl to peace and patriotically protest. His literal words. He always went on and on about being the party of law and order.
Also, yes, a few of them need punished. They rioted. The vast majority were wandering around doing nothing. The Shaman weirdo was walked around by police opening doors for him. He thanked the police in the chamber. He spent a long time in jail and was released after that footage was finally shown. Why wouldn't they show that in the beginning? They had the footage. They knew. Why do you think that is? They've had ppl rotting in jail without a court date. In solitary confinement even. For walking around. Don't you see something very wrong with this?
Where are all the arrests, solitary confinement, tv going on and on and on about it to this day when it comes to 2020 riots of the left? They MURDERED dozens of ppl. They injured 1000 policemen. They shot mortars at the Portland federal courthouse trying to burn it down, while there was ppl in it! For weeks! Then, when National Guard was sent in, the media and leftists whined and cried and called Trump a fascist for it. Don't you see anything wrong with this? When will you see the lies? The taking things out of context? The lies by omission? The bias and enormous differences in how they treat different sides actions?
There are leftists attacking ppl again in the streets over Isr and Hamas. When will you pay attention and really watch and learn about both sides of something?
So you do, of course, believe that the assault on the capitol by the pro Hamas demonstrators this past week should be met with equal fury and endless jail time.
Absolute, complete lie. With the amount of information we have, if you think the 2020 election was "fair and legal" then you are beyond lost.
I don't even particularly like Trump. I supported Cruz in 2016, and would prefer DeSantis for 2024. However, I value a fair election beyond candidate preference.
That's the difference between me and you. You don't care if an election is stolen, so long as your guy (Biden -- The man who violated the Nuremberg Code and sold out America for profit and leads us to World War 3) wins. If Biden wins, to hell with fair voting.
You have this image that I believe the election was stolen because I religiously listen to Trump's ever word. No. I believe the election was stolen, because the numbers and the methods that followed do not make sense unless they were manipulated.
You don't address these points. Why? The media said so. The same media that tells you that a man can turn into a woman and be just as much a female as your mother also told you that the election was "fair and above reproach."
One fact that we know for sure: We KNOW that the FBI ordered Twitter to censor American media about Biden's laptop. Because it was unfavorable to their chosen candidate. They "claimed" it was "Russian misinformation." We now know that is a lie. They knew it was a lie then. But they ordered this information censored to advance their preferred candidate. This has been revealed in the Twitter Files.
So Biden had the FBI putting their finger on the scales to help his campaign.
If you think this is the only thing the FBI did to rig the election for Biden -- well, you're a Biden supporter, so you probably don't care. You'd prefer a dictatorship to a fair election that might allow the opposition to win, so probably you're happy with things as they stand now.
Your representation of J6 is also the same phony propaganda message that the media spoon fed you. In which case, I think you should get off of sites like PITT. Parents knowing their child isn't transgendered is dangerous misinformation after all, and we should trust the government to throw parents in jail who do not affirm their child's gender choices. The "Science is Settled" and only deplorables who don't trust the perfect safety of unsupervised vote drop boxes combined with universal mail in ballots would think otherwise.
If you want to discuss specifics, fine. But I never meet a Biden supporter who is open to any questioning of the set narrative. Freaking disgusting. And I hate that I'm having this conversation here. But you're poking with pretty vile lies and slanders.
I'll give you a book to read. Willing to read a book?
you're off the rails on this & so deep into conspiracy territory someone needs to send out the blood hounds to find you & bring you back into civilization. Seriously.
If you're not interested in kids & GD then please go troll elsewhere.
My condolences for your lostness. Truly. I hope you find yourself.
Not a single rebuttal. You don't argue facts. You don't argue claims. You don't say "Here is where I disagree, let me give you my take."
No.
Just laughter. Mockery. And "You don't belong in civilization."
Sir, allow me to speak, in the voices of my deceased ancestors who were murdered by other groups of goose steppers who took the word of their government as unvarnished truth, carrying it out to the logical conclusion against those who did not fit in their unvarnished utopian ideal.
Exactly. Some people don't want to hear the truth. They don't want to admit being wrong. When I left the Democrat party years ago, ai had to admit to being wrong about a lot. It took me the better part of a year of really investigating the "other side" to finally admit how wrong I was.
One of the most amazing things when I gave up being a liberal Democrat and deciding to listen to Republicans for the first time --- not in a fighting way, but just listening --- so much insecurity got to be released. I used to think something was wrong with me because I'm this demographic or that group or this sex or whatever, and who oppressed who.
Conservative mindset was "That doesn't matter. Do your best. You didn't make the past. Be responsible for you."
And this great weight was lifted.
That is what is so ironic about Democrats claiming to oppose prejudice. They are nothing but prejudice, with this elaborate matrix of identity groups and judging people based on their intersectional membership and what not.
You know, I’ve lost interest in convincing you to to take your self interest elsewhere. You aren’t interested in solving anything. This is not the forum for this discussion. It’s about the kids and you don’t seem interested in anything but hostility.
I might be having a conversation with some people on an issue we have in common. Say issue "X". Then one of them casually says "The reason we have a problem with "X" is all those damn jews!"
I might point out his accusation against Jews is not accurate.
Then he gets made because I'm "Distracting from X."
Yeah, you do Joshua. The woman was saying as a left leaning parent she never thought this could happen. I’m sure right wing people think the same way. So why not admit this is something transcending right/left politics and quit dog piling on her? It’s a waste of energy, to the point that it makes me suspect there’s deliberate trolling happening.This is how a movement pushing back against trans radicals gets derailed.
Maybe if these essays were ppl who lean right constantly making comments in their essays that say you're a monster, you'd understand that eventually, it is gonna irritate you. Reacting to the constant belittling and condescension of the right leaning writer would not be wrong.
I think --- I had a bit of the impulse and I was wondering about this as I was reading it. Why did I feel this way?
I think the early part "We are woke Democrats who are totally on board... we're not like one of THOSE bigots."
It's like a slap on the face. I want to feel like we're on the same team here, trying to pull -- but it starts off with a disassociation. "I am having this problem of the sort your team warned about -- but don't take it as some kind of validation, because I still oppose you and everything you stand for."
Which brings the desire to respond with "Well, right back at ya, buddy!"
Obviously that's the not the right response, and one would HOPE that these kind of suffering can lead to a reconciliation and alliance between Left and Right so we can humbly say "Though I believe X, you were right about Y and I hope we can communicate in the future."
There's just so much back-handed insults --- I noticed this when I became conservative -- Liberals really feel that they are morally superior and don't even recognize the casual bigotry they toss around. It's actually WHY I stopped being Liberal -- I started recognizing this casual bigotry and could not support it.
But yes, the reflexive bristling and responding it kind is not a good approach either.
👏🏻 Well said. I am also a disaffected liberal and Dem. I was never like that though. Probably why I was able to see through the nonsense. I made the realization around 2015 and have become more and more libertarian-conservative as time has gone on. (Not "far-right" that keeps getting thrown around)The more I read, learn, etc., the more I see how epically wrong I was before.
They write nonsensical essays to pitt like the one above and then ask if we want to join a "coalition" with them. They have been wrong at every turn, yet still pretend like we are the ones in the wrong. It is baffling that they can see through this gender woo nonsense, but nothing else.
Yeah, one of my favorite jokes is that its not "far right" but should be "right so far."
😄 I like that. And true! It is amazing...there are a lot of obviously very intelligent people here. They see through this gender nonsense (Maybe only because it effected them...maybe it would be different if it never did), but they can't see through all of the rest of the nonsense. They still believe the SAME people that are lying to them about this. I just don't get it lol
When I started discovering how much I was lied to (about basically everything), I kept learning to see what else I was lied to about. I didn't dig my heels in and think that everything else I knew from these same people must be true. I questioned everything!
Now, when something happens or I hear something, I look into as many sides of it as possible. I get as much info from all sides, with as much primary evidence as I can, and use critical thinking to get the truth. Some others seem to still believe the ppl they know are liars.
I have a background in studying media (graduate degree).
Think about Joseph Goebbels and what he did with his propaganda for the efforts of the Nazis.
Then think that Goebbels did this with newspapers, magazines, film, and radio. Even television was in its infancy.
He did that... with what are today children's toys.
What can the Goebbelses of today do with social media, internet, and AI?
You ain't seen nothing yet.
So that's why I get pretty flustered with those that act as if the mainstream media was the only reliable source. And questioning the holy writ of, I dunno, Rachel Maddow makes you worthy of excommunication.
Exactly! Also, media manipulation has been happening here for forever too.
Operation Mockingbird. There is no actual operation named this, but the sentiment is real. The CIA admitted to giving the media stories to say. And this was decades ago. Why would they stop? Lol They turned their tactics onto us, the people, a long time ago.
Everyone who knows of OM usually talks of the Church Committee. They make a lot of admissions here. What most don't know of is the Pike Committee. That one wasn't televised like the Church Committee was. They made even more admission to it there. There's no video, but there's audio.
Anyone thinking they stopped this is incredibly naive.
Anyone thinking our government wouldn't lie and socially engineer us is incredibly naive.
Anyone who can see it in one specific area (gender nonsense), but totally ignore and pretend it doesn't happen in others is ridiculously inept in critical thinking.
Heh. Even I don't know much about the Church or Pike Committee. I've heard of Operation Mockingbird, but from what little I know they were odd experiments in brainwashing.
Hey. Isn't that interesting? I confessed something I don't know, which indicates that I might be interested in hearing more about it to make a judgement.
Were I a liberal, I would hurl insults at you and call it conspiracy theory.
The support for Gender theory by the governments--- as well as most of the LGBT agenda. Say what you will about your gay friends down the street -- I don't mean them. There was a determined push for things like legalizing same sex marriage in spite of the fact that the voters clearly did not want it. So it had to be pushed through the courts in bizarre fashion. Why?
I suspect part of the answer is the same as why Pharaoh threw baby boys into the Nile. Population reduction.
It was the CIA manipulation of the media. They would tell the media what articles to write and what to say. So, it was propaganda just like Pravda, really. There is just no name called Operation Mockingbird so the left claim it isn't true. That is just a name ppl use for it. It happened. The Church committee can be found easily because it was televised.
The Pike Committee testimony of CiA director Colby can be found on Bitchute.
It would be silly to think they don't still do it. Just look how many "ex" intelligence agents work for media. It is pretty crazy. Lol
Exactly.
Hmmm, we should probably give it a better name than that if it wasn't an actual "operation." Unnecessary confusion.
Twitter files show that the FBI told them to censor media companies that brought up Hunter's laptop. Claimed it was Russian "disinformation." Wasn't. So we know the FBI put their fingers on the scale for their preferred candidate, violating the first amendment.
But "no evidence of voter fraud."
I don't think I can post political cartoons or memes here, but there was one about the evolution of the intelligence apparatus.
First panel: Harry Truman walking a dog (named CIA) saying "Good boy."
Second panel: The dog is much bigger and aggressive. John F. Kennedy is fighting with the leash saying "Whoa! Calm down!"
Third panel: The dog is now the size of a truck and its Uncle Sam attached to the leash.
It was an operation or something they did. There's just no proof of it being called that. They had something called Project Mockingbird, apparently, but that is something totally different. Not sure why people call it that.
I have heard they coined "conspiracy theorist" to disparage people who were looking too closely at the Kennedy assassination.
There is a huge range in right wing thinking ( as in left wing thinking) between people who have a belief system and people who have a free floating hatred of the Other that they wrap up in a belief system’s colouring. There are right wing people of good will you’d want as a neighbour, even as you don’t agree with their politics, and then there are people who are Proud Boys or the people who invaded the White House looking to hang Mike Pence, and who try to pass under the same banner. I’m sure the left have their bigots and criminal antifa idiots too. Most of us aren’t those, can we agree on that at least? She isn’t referring to anyone of good will. AND most importantly, she is openly expressing the irony that her socio-political affiliations didn’t make a damn bit of difference. So PLEASE…quit boxing this into a right/left narrative. The real people behind this agenda are neither, they tend to piggyback their movement on a left wing culture because it’s a soft target, using inclusion and civil liberties as a Trojan horse.
As a semi-regular reader of the PITT comment section, I have more or less lost belief in the existence of reasonable right wingers. Once upon a time I would have said hey, a lot of them are probably decent people whose core values aren't too radically different from my own; they can't all be Christofascists and conspiracy theorists. But with few exceptions, the right wingers who comment here live down to the worst stereotypes of their sort, and I've started to suspect that the stereotypes track pretty well with reality after all.
I deplore gender ideology and I desperately want to see it unbundled from the leftist platform. But every time I read the comments here, I am reminded that even with all its gender voodoo and assorted other woke lunacy, the left remains the lesser of two evils.
I read the comments here too and for the most part it’s parents consoling each other. Where do you get Christofascist from? If you ran into one would you run away? Confront them? What would this boogey CF do to you? Convert you? Throw holy water on you? Scary scary scary!
I guess we haven't been reading the same comment sections. While I certainly see many parents sharing support and sympathy, there always seem to be at least a handful of vocal culture warriors who use the comments section as a pulpit from which to froth and howl about the dangers of vaccines, the sinfulness of sodomy, the lies of feminism, the leftist conspiracy of climate change, and so on. Not only is this kind of far-right soapboxing obnoxious, it actively harms the mission of PITT. Newcomers to the site will inevitably run across comments that seem to have been written by people wearing tinfoil hats and/or white hoods, and if these newcomers are anywhere to the left of Marjorie Taylor Greene on the US political spectrum, they may very decide to hit their back buttons. Trans activists like to discredit their opponents by painting them as anti-gay, anti-feminist, anti-science extremists—and the anti-gay, anti-feminist, anti-science extremists who routinely treat PITT comment sections like Speakers' Corner play right into this narrative.
As far as I'm concerned, Christian evangelists are welcome to make their pitch to anyone who is freely willing to hear them out, provided the venue is appropriate. What I object to is far-right Christian extremists who not only hold values that fundamentally conflict with my own values, but actively work to impose those values on everyone else. And yes, this actually is quite frightening. Women in many parts of America now lack access to safe and legal abortion—which, as far as I am concerned, is a fundamental human right—due to the efforts of people whom I would describe as Christofascists. You are of course free to believe as you see fit. However, if you are in fact an active supporter of a cause or causes that I ardently oppose, don't pretend that my problem with you is that I'm afraid you'll throw holy water on me. That's as disingenuous as a trans activist saying "what, are you scared that a drag queen is going to throw glitter on you?"
I really appreciate the time you took to comment. I can tell you are very bothered and want to help! Unfortunately I cannot be convinced that there are Christofascists (coined by media to manufacture fear in order to control you) who want to subjugate you. Ironically you sound like the people you don’t like but on different issues. You actually sound whack-a-doodle with that Christofascist comment! On the topic of science, the scientific method requires you to be epistemologically humble when it comes to vaccines/drugs/climate change/gender transition etc. Perhaps the people who talk about topics you don’t agree with are not the most artful or politic but they truly believe that these issues you mention are connected to the PITT topic. Their comments don’t bother me. I just ignore them and I don’t come across them as often as you have. Perhaps you should interrogate where and why you are so fearful of “Christofascists” and who put that thought into your head? If you came across one would you eradicate him/her? Have you considered that your obsession with Christofascists might have been manufactured by the same source that manufactured gender ideology? Maybe you have another version of the “born in the wrong body” social hysteria.
When people who disagree with you adopt a smarmy, condescending tone and accuse you of being paranoid and obsessed, are you inspired to reconsider your position? No? Of course not. So I assume you're not actually trying to persuade me of anything; you're just needling me because it makes you feel all smug and smart to sneer at a liberal. And far be it from me to stop you! Go ahead and bask in the warm glow of your screen as you pwn a lib or whatever it is you think you're doing here.
The only one who's talking about exterminating anyone is you. Right-wing blowhards really are right up there with the gender clowns when it comes to persecution fantasies.
P.S. "Epistemological humility"? I think you mean epistemic humility, and no, the scientific method does not prescribe any such thing.
PS no I didn’t. I meant epistemological. Also you are very ignorant if you do not understand that humility is the foundation of the scientific method. You are arrogant and an angry person. But you are also a person that is in a world of hurt.
UR you are hurting and you lash out in anger. There are no Christofascists running around trying to take your rights away. You have been scared by media for purposes not conducive to your best self. You are not doing well. Studies show that liberals (as you describe yourself) report the highest level of mental distress. And I meant it when I said I appreciate you taking the time to comment and that you are earnest in trying to help. How sad that you live in a world where you have been conditioned to receive thanks and gratitude as a twisted attempt to be smarmy and condescending. No wonder youbhave not doing well and your stress levels come though in your paranoia.
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Most of the Proud Boys defended against Antifa (which are the Brownshirts of the Democrats.). About 99% of what was told about J6 was a lie. It's the modern Reichstag Fire, and entrapment scheme used and orchestrated to demonize, imprison, and demoralize the opposition.
A Trump hater murdered a 19 year old kid who supported Trump. Ran him down in his car. Got five years. Five. Years.
Someone protests the stolen election? Gets 20 years. Political persecution.
So yeah, I'm not one of the false equivalence of the J6 myth. Antifa and BLM murdered dozens of people. The J6 protesters murdered no one. At least two of them were murdered by the police-- but suddenly, this is police brutality the Left enthusiastically supports.
I know this is waaaaaaaay off the main discussion. But I'm not buying the false equivalency.
Thank you-it needed to be said.
I want to find common ground. But they will not accept any interpretation other than MSM narrative.
I no longer wonder how the Nazis were able to do it.
No - it’s being demonstrated before our eyes. You know what they say about failing to learn from our past….
I think William Buckley said something like "A conservative is someone standing beside history as it happens, futilely shouting 'STOP!'"
That’s a great quote. Thank you.
Josh: you are not well informed about Jan.6th invasion of Congress & assault on police officers. In fact: you are spreading disinformation.
His name is Jonah. And disinformation as you so originally name it (sarc) is a relative term to be interpreted by the user. Not universal truths.
Notice he doesn't answer questions. He mocks. He bullies. But does he answer a question? Not a single time.
This is what happens when the High School bully grows up and STILL hasn't gotten punched in the face.
I don't know who "Josh" is. But if you're talking about me. Let me start with a question.
Give me a definition of "misinformation".
It is not lies, because otherwise you would call it lies. Then you would be called upon to identify where it's a lie, and you wouldn't be able to.
Misinformation is information the government doesn't like, because it contradicts their carefully constructed narrative.
One type of "misinformation" the government does not like is saying "Men cannot become women."
This "misinformation" may be true, but it doesn't go along with the transgender agenda.
I care about truth. Not popularity.
If you think I'm "wrong" tell me where. Let's discuss a particular fact.
Never happens though. Because that's the cute thing about misinformation. No one knows what the term means, so no one can identify it.
If you say my allusion, say, of the 19 year old Trump supporter being murdered and his killer getting only five years is "misinformation" I could easily give you the name and context of that citation. So you would know it wasn't a "lie" because it's true. You have to say its "misinformation" because it contradicts the carefully made media narrative that Trump supporters are violent and Trump opposers are peaceful, even though that's plainly false.
But narrative does not equal truth.
In fact, it usually does not.
Jonah: you have really big bones to pick & that doesn't interest me & anyway never works in a public forum like this. The January Six invasion of the US Congress & violent assaults on the police & the threats to "hang Mike Pence: ... all of that was an insurrection to derail the validation of a federal election for the U.S. President. If you can't understand that, then I can't help you. I'm sorry you are swimming in confusion. But I value our system that respects peoples' votes. Your guy, Donald Trump, lied to the nation about the election. He lost fair & square & he didn't want to admit it so he drummed up a crowd and sent then to invade the US Capitol.
Your other points don't concern me so much. Sorry for mis-naming you. Now I'll remember, Jonah believes the criminal Trump's lies. I'm sorry you're lost in that hard-right disinformation racket & I hope you find your way back.
Sent them to invade? The guy literally told ppl to peace and patriotically protest. His literal words. He always went on and on about being the party of law and order.
Also, yes, a few of them need punished. They rioted. The vast majority were wandering around doing nothing. The Shaman weirdo was walked around by police opening doors for him. He thanked the police in the chamber. He spent a long time in jail and was released after that footage was finally shown. Why wouldn't they show that in the beginning? They had the footage. They knew. Why do you think that is? They've had ppl rotting in jail without a court date. In solitary confinement even. For walking around. Don't you see something very wrong with this?
Where are all the arrests, solitary confinement, tv going on and on and on about it to this day when it comes to 2020 riots of the left? They MURDERED dozens of ppl. They injured 1000 policemen. They shot mortars at the Portland federal courthouse trying to burn it down, while there was ppl in it! For weeks! Then, when National Guard was sent in, the media and leftists whined and cried and called Trump a fascist for it. Don't you see anything wrong with this? When will you see the lies? The taking things out of context? The lies by omission? The bias and enormous differences in how they treat different sides actions?
There are leftists attacking ppl again in the streets over Isr and Hamas. When will you pay attention and really watch and learn about both sides of something?
So you do, of course, believe that the assault on the capitol by the pro Hamas demonstrators this past week should be met with equal fury and endless jail time.
That's (D)ifferent.
Absolute, complete lie. With the amount of information we have, if you think the 2020 election was "fair and legal" then you are beyond lost.
I don't even particularly like Trump. I supported Cruz in 2016, and would prefer DeSantis for 2024. However, I value a fair election beyond candidate preference.
That's the difference between me and you. You don't care if an election is stolen, so long as your guy (Biden -- The man who violated the Nuremberg Code and sold out America for profit and leads us to World War 3) wins. If Biden wins, to hell with fair voting.
You have this image that I believe the election was stolen because I religiously listen to Trump's ever word. No. I believe the election was stolen, because the numbers and the methods that followed do not make sense unless they were manipulated.
You don't address these points. Why? The media said so. The same media that tells you that a man can turn into a woman and be just as much a female as your mother also told you that the election was "fair and above reproach."
One fact that we know for sure: We KNOW that the FBI ordered Twitter to censor American media about Biden's laptop. Because it was unfavorable to their chosen candidate. They "claimed" it was "Russian misinformation." We now know that is a lie. They knew it was a lie then. But they ordered this information censored to advance their preferred candidate. This has been revealed in the Twitter Files.
So Biden had the FBI putting their finger on the scales to help his campaign.
If you think this is the only thing the FBI did to rig the election for Biden -- well, you're a Biden supporter, so you probably don't care. You'd prefer a dictatorship to a fair election that might allow the opposition to win, so probably you're happy with things as they stand now.
Your representation of J6 is also the same phony propaganda message that the media spoon fed you. In which case, I think you should get off of sites like PITT. Parents knowing their child isn't transgendered is dangerous misinformation after all, and we should trust the government to throw parents in jail who do not affirm their child's gender choices. The "Science is Settled" and only deplorables who don't trust the perfect safety of unsupervised vote drop boxes combined with universal mail in ballots would think otherwise.
If you want to discuss specifics, fine. But I never meet a Biden supporter who is open to any questioning of the set narrative. Freaking disgusting. And I hate that I'm having this conversation here. But you're poking with pretty vile lies and slanders.
I'll give you a book to read. Willing to read a book?
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you're off the rails on this & so deep into conspiracy territory someone needs to send out the blood hounds to find you & bring you back into civilization. Seriously.
If you're not interested in kids & GD then please go troll elsewhere.
My condolences for your lostness. Truly. I hope you find yourself.
What did he say that is a conspiracy?
Not a single rebuttal. You don't argue facts. You don't argue claims. You don't say "Here is where I disagree, let me give you my take."
No.
Just laughter. Mockery. And "You don't belong in civilization."
Sir, allow me to speak, in the voices of my deceased ancestors who were murdered by other groups of goose steppers who took the word of their government as unvarnished truth, carrying it out to the logical conclusion against those who did not fit in their unvarnished utopian ideal.
Never Again.
Exactly. Some people don't want to hear the truth. They don't want to admit being wrong. When I left the Democrat party years ago, ai had to admit to being wrong about a lot. It took me the better part of a year of really investigating the "other side" to finally admit how wrong I was.
One of the most amazing things when I gave up being a liberal Democrat and deciding to listen to Republicans for the first time --- not in a fighting way, but just listening --- so much insecurity got to be released. I used to think something was wrong with me because I'm this demographic or that group or this sex or whatever, and who oppressed who.
Conservative mindset was "That doesn't matter. Do your best. You didn't make the past. Be responsible for you."
And this great weight was lifted.
That is what is so ironic about Democrats claiming to oppose prejudice. They are nothing but prejudice, with this elaborate matrix of identity groups and judging people based on their intersectional membership and what not.
You know, I’ve lost interest in convincing you to to take your self interest elsewhere. You aren’t interested in solving anything. This is not the forum for this discussion. It’s about the kids and you don’t seem interested in anything but hostility.
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I just don't like to be slandered by false accusations or false equivalency.
Heck, we're seeing it right now as Hamas murdered over a thousand Jews, but we got to be proportional because "both sides".
I'm sure you believe the accusations you levied. I felt compelled to respond.
I accused you of nothing. I asked you to stick to the topic at hand, what is the matter with you?
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I might be having a conversation with some people on an issue we have in common. Say issue "X". Then one of them casually says "The reason we have a problem with "X" is all those damn jews!"
I might point out his accusation against Jews is not accurate.
Then he gets made because I'm "Distracting from X."
People are going to react to narcissistic provocations, and that's what this essay is. No. We're not "doing a bad" by reacting.
No. It's not "reflexive."
It's normal. You just don't like it because it makes you "uncomfortable." That doesn't make it wrong. It just makes it "not your favorite."
It’s not evil, it’s not making me uncomfortable, but it is a waste of time and energy.
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Yeah. I think -- my least favorite part of reacting is reminding myself: "This is not about me -- this is about someone else's trauma."
But yeah, you get a little sucked in.
Yeah, you do Joshua. The woman was saying as a left leaning parent she never thought this could happen. I’m sure right wing people think the same way. So why not admit this is something transcending right/left politics and quit dog piling on her? It’s a waste of energy, to the point that it makes me suspect there’s deliberate trolling happening.This is how a movement pushing back against trans radicals gets derailed.
Maybe if these essays were ppl who lean right constantly making comments in their essays that say you're a monster, you'd understand that eventually, it is gonna irritate you. Reacting to the constant belittling and condescension of the right leaning writer would not be wrong.
I've been accused of some nasty things already.
And I'm not sure why I keep getting called "Joshua" when my screen name says Jonah. Funny that.
I'm trying to resist the urge to check out and leave Ninevah to its fate.
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