We used to call some men “metrosexual”. These were straight, sensitive, well-educated, urban dwellers, who were in touch with their feminine side. Women liked metrosexual men. They were smart dressers, fun to talk to, and fun to be with. Great relationship material. Some women felt like they had more in common with them than with other men.
The very idea that you become your "authentic self" by mutilating your body is an absurdity. Yes, I agree that a boy or man can want to be more "feminine" as presently defined by society (or a girl or woman wanting to be more "masculine"), and that is perfectly fine. The idea that this somehow involves childlike, deformed or absent genitalia is nuts (pun intended).
The human body as the final frontier. I truly think we've been groomed for decades for this. It's time to do a value check and see where you are on transhumanism cause it's on a highspeed train for the mainstream. Our young adults are prime targets in a culture that has decided it doesn't value healthy bodies--that to have one means you're privileged, and privileged means you're an oppressor. It's a brave new world, indeed.
Yes, this is a key point. We are in a time of the Culture of Victimology. In this culture, "marginalized persons" are elevated because marginalization, there is no normal or standard, everything is acceptable, and the worst possible place to be is the normal person who has normal desires for normal sex with other normal people. As some have suggested, this drives some persons to BECOME trans to escape the hated label of "white cis male".
Calling our children eunuchs would be easier for some of us as it is an honest truthful statement of fact. I can never call my daughter my son as it is just a lie. Language matters. We are fighting against a eugenics trend. Our children are being sterilised by a cult. We have to fight not only for our children but also for the right to maintain our integrity as parents.
Did women really, and I mean really, like Metrosexual men? It always seemed to me that the Metros were more like what "women said they wanted" but through my time in college in the late aughts it didn't seem like they were nearly as... errm... preferred by the college girls as the more archetypal guys.
I would say that's most likely a similar case with the NBs and the rest of the identity brigade. A lot of talk of them being brave and true and authentic and not a lot of interest in them relationship wise.
Yes--and I'll add, a dating pool that's already limited for many of these young adults who are "on the spectrum" (aka different) and have challenges connecting with others.
Some time ago, I read a very amusing piece about some of the very well known flaming non-binary guys. These guys are the ones who wear lipstick, do up their hair in a female style, and are bearded. They are like bearded prostitutes. Here's the funny part - no one will date them. These are known persons in the flaming non-binary world.
The plain fact is that men can become non-binary in some deluded interest in being "more attractive", but that is not what women want. Cut off Mr. Fun Time, and have Ms. Fun Place constructed surgically, you are attractive to no one. Most of these guys have no partner. There was a piece in the WP the other day about a guy who did this. He thought other guys would find him more attractive. Now he is 50, no partner, and resigned to that status for the rest of his life.
The plain fact is that 1% of men consider trans women as possible partners, and the same for women and trans men. It's a delusion that you are attractive.
Those men look like Klinger. Like they don't even take being a woman seriously, it's all a spectacle to achieve some other goal.
This article seriously hurt my brain to try to puzzle through the terminology... then I realized I knew exactly who was writing it. And despite Merideth's claims of having tried being a binary [trans]woman and it not being for Merideth, just a few months later Merideth was solidly back on team woman and has since married a man and as far as I know presents just as female now...
What I find baffling is that these folks do not seem to understand what drives human sexual attraction. That it’s not ‘centuries of social conditioning’ that have made them unattractive to others but biology itself. Something that seems to completely escape them.....
Absolutely. There are BIOLOGICAL reasons for beauty. I am writing up an essay on beauty. When a male sees a woman who is beautiful, that judgement "what a beauty" is made on the basis of certain physical characteristics and also on behavior. Same with women. If you deliberately change your appearance to remove the traditional markers, you are no longer beautiful. You are hideous. And no one wants a hideous partner.
There's a name for "non-binary" and for "trans women". The name is "eunuch".
It used to be that men were punished by making them eunuchs. Today, deluded men eunuchize - CASTRATE - themselves, in a deluded idea that they can become more .... something. Attractive to other guys? Become an attractive woman? Peter Pan - "I'm never going to grow up"?
All of this is a delusion.
I'm sorry to hear about your son. I know other young men who are caught up in this delusional fantasy of themselves as forever hot, young, slim. Once you hit 30, your days as a "hot young thing" are countable.
I cannot believe what is happening now is legal. Castrating young misinformed people! It's a nightmare. It reminds me of a eunuch cult in 18th-19th centuries in Russia. Here is an interesting article on the topic.
The term "autogynophilia" was coined about 30 years ago for males gender-dysphorics who see themselves as "hot young women" and who are sexually aroused by this narcissistic fantasy. Other gender-dysphorics are more interested in males and are sort of hyper-homosexuals. The two types are distinct. But they are both called "gender dysphoric" or "trans woman".
This issue of "one word for really many things" is found in many places. Take schizophrenia. There are some who are "florid" who hear voices. There are others who are simply deeply confused about a lot of stuff and who are "emotionally dead". 2 different types, one term.
Yes. I wonder at the percentage of men who call themselves trans who are actually just AGPs. They fetishize themselves as women. It is a sexual thing. Not an identity thing. (The fetish is that they themselves are the woman so in a sense it is, but different from "trans")
I also wonder at what creates this fetish. Porn at a young age? Abuse of some kind?
There is a hideous person on YouTube who is cluing in the clueless (like me) about the wonders of the AGP person. He goes on and on about how great it is. He is simply ugly, with dirty hair, oily face, and a terrible voice. No one except himself could find himself attractive. It's a psychotic delusion of narcissism.
And there are other kinds of gender dysphoria too, from trauma, being on the spectrum, anxiety, anorexia....people who hate themselves and then project that onto their body. Az Hakeem and Marcus and Susan Evans talk about it (the latter on quillette).
The very idea that you become your "authentic self" by mutilating your body is an absurdity. Yes, I agree that a boy or man can want to be more "feminine" as presently defined by society (or a girl or woman wanting to be more "masculine"), and that is perfectly fine. The idea that this somehow involves childlike, deformed or absent genitalia is nuts (pun intended).
Non-binary is definitely not the new metrosexual. It's the new Emo without any music to help them sooth their inner turmoil.
The human body as the final frontier. I truly think we've been groomed for decades for this. It's time to do a value check and see where you are on transhumanism cause it's on a highspeed train for the mainstream. Our young adults are prime targets in a culture that has decided it doesn't value healthy bodies--that to have one means you're privileged, and privileged means you're an oppressor. It's a brave new world, indeed.
I have 2 messages which I delivered to my church about Stoicism. One is "Thoughts about stoicism" and the other is "Stoicism and UUism".
Yes, this is a key point. We are in a time of the Culture of Victimology. In this culture, "marginalized persons" are elevated because marginalization, there is no normal or standard, everything is acceptable, and the worst possible place to be is the normal person who has normal desires for normal sex with other normal people. As some have suggested, this drives some persons to BECOME trans to escape the hated label of "white cis male".
Calling our children eunuchs would be easier for some of us as it is an honest truthful statement of fact. I can never call my daughter my son as it is just a lie. Language matters. We are fighting against a eugenics trend. Our children are being sterilised by a cult. We have to fight not only for our children but also for the right to maintain our integrity as parents.
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Did women really, and I mean really, like Metrosexual men? It always seemed to me that the Metros were more like what "women said they wanted" but through my time in college in the late aughts it didn't seem like they were nearly as... errm... preferred by the college girls as the more archetypal guys.
I would say that's most likely a similar case with the NBs and the rest of the identity brigade. A lot of talk of them being brave and true and authentic and not a lot of interest in them relationship wise.
I certainly didn't. If I wanted sensitivity and girliness, I'd date a girl. Lol I prefer a more masculine and manly guy. Like my husband. 😊
Right. Not sure the "informed consent" forms talk about how these kids are severely limiting their dating pool.
Yes--and I'll add, a dating pool that's already limited for many of these young adults who are "on the spectrum" (aka different) and have challenges connecting with others.
Some time ago, I read a very amusing piece about some of the very well known flaming non-binary guys. These guys are the ones who wear lipstick, do up their hair in a female style, and are bearded. They are like bearded prostitutes. Here's the funny part - no one will date them. These are known persons in the flaming non-binary world.
The plain fact is that men can become non-binary in some deluded interest in being "more attractive", but that is not what women want. Cut off Mr. Fun Time, and have Ms. Fun Place constructed surgically, you are attractive to no one. Most of these guys have no partner. There was a piece in the WP the other day about a guy who did this. He thought other guys would find him more attractive. Now he is 50, no partner, and resigned to that status for the rest of his life.
The plain fact is that 1% of men consider trans women as possible partners, and the same for women and trans men. It's a delusion that you are attractive.
Here's the article:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/wjq99z/why-cant-my-famous-gender-nonconforming-friends-get-laid
Those men look like Klinger. Like they don't even take being a woman seriously, it's all a spectacle to achieve some other goal.
This article seriously hurt my brain to try to puzzle through the terminology... then I realized I knew exactly who was writing it. And despite Merideth's claims of having tried being a binary [trans]woman and it not being for Merideth, just a few months later Merideth was solidly back on team woman and has since married a man and as far as I know presents just as female now...
What I find baffling is that these folks do not seem to understand what drives human sexual attraction. That it’s not ‘centuries of social conditioning’ that have made them unattractive to others but biology itself. Something that seems to completely escape them.....
I think it is because they are young and naive?
Absolutely. There are BIOLOGICAL reasons for beauty. I am writing up an essay on beauty. When a male sees a woman who is beautiful, that judgement "what a beauty" is made on the basis of certain physical characteristics and also on behavior. Same with women. If you deliberately change your appearance to remove the traditional markers, you are no longer beautiful. You are hideous. And no one wants a hideous partner.
There's a name for "non-binary" and for "trans women". The name is "eunuch".
It used to be that men were punished by making them eunuchs. Today, deluded men eunuchize - CASTRATE - themselves, in a deluded idea that they can become more .... something. Attractive to other guys? Become an attractive woman? Peter Pan - "I'm never going to grow up"?
All of this is a delusion.
I'm sorry to hear about your son. I know other young men who are caught up in this delusional fantasy of themselves as forever hot, young, slim. Once you hit 30, your days as a "hot young thing" are countable.
I cannot believe what is happening now is legal. Castrating young misinformed people! It's a nightmare. It reminds me of a eunuch cult in 18th-19th centuries in Russia. Here is an interesting article on the topic.
https://historyofyesterday.com/what-can-a-secret-russian-castration-cult-tell-us-about-freedom-and-anti-vaxxers-f2f60f0552ff
Is this delusional fantasy a Peter Pan syndrome or more of a self harm cult? Whatever it is, for parents it is difficult.
Yes.
For some it is one, for other another.
The term "autogynophilia" was coined about 30 years ago for males gender-dysphorics who see themselves as "hot young women" and who are sexually aroused by this narcissistic fantasy. Other gender-dysphorics are more interested in males and are sort of hyper-homosexuals. The two types are distinct. But they are both called "gender dysphoric" or "trans woman".
This issue of "one word for really many things" is found in many places. Take schizophrenia. There are some who are "florid" who hear voices. There are others who are simply deeply confused about a lot of stuff and who are "emotionally dead". 2 different types, one term.
Yes. I wonder at the percentage of men who call themselves trans who are actually just AGPs. They fetishize themselves as women. It is a sexual thing. Not an identity thing. (The fetish is that they themselves are the woman so in a sense it is, but different from "trans")
I also wonder at what creates this fetish. Porn at a young age? Abuse of some kind?
There is a hideous person on YouTube who is cluing in the clueless (like me) about the wonders of the AGP person. He goes on and on about how great it is. He is simply ugly, with dirty hair, oily face, and a terrible voice. No one except himself could find himself attractive. It's a psychotic delusion of narcissism.
Narcissism seems about right!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsJx46i9bds&t=215s
And there are other kinds of gender dysphoria too, from trauma, being on the spectrum, anxiety, anorexia....people who hate themselves and then project that onto their body. Az Hakeem and Marcus and Susan Evans talk about it (the latter on quillette).
I think you mean this article: https://quillette.com/2021/07/30/gender-transition-and-desistance-in-teenage-girls-two-psychotherapeutic-case-studies/ Reading it now--it's chock-full of valuable insights. Thank you for recommending it!
Yes!!