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Mildred's avatar

You are prejudiced. What are you doing here, other than to spread false and inflammatory information? Georgina St. Claire is right, that sexual orientation is not a paraphilia. You are homophobic and have found some sub-par study to try to bolster your agenda. Your agenda will fall on deaf ears here. Why don't you take a hike?

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Josh Slocum's avatar

Why do you believe you have the right to call for moral condemnation , and to throw epithets, at people who say things you disagree with?

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Dan Hochberg's avatar

Samiz is certainly entitled to make his argument, and I for one do not want a comments section where only "approved" opinions are welcome.

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Mildred's avatar

It's not about "approved" opinions, it's about spreading false information. How does homophobia "create a healthy dialogue?" I can tell such a person to take a hike if I want to, it was my suggestion, not an order, because homophobia is not welcome here, or do you think it should be? Notice "Samiz" didn't reply to me as to why they're here commenting. Nevertheless, it's up to the moderator to ban commenters anyway, not my call. But if you don't know yet whether same-sex attraction is a paraphilia or not, as you seemed to indicate above, maybe you could explain why that is.

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Dan Hochberg's avatar

You are trying to censor him. In your opinion same sex attraction is not a paraphilia. In his opinion it is. You are entitled to your opinion and he to his. I do not think it is 'homophobia' for him to think so.

On this site of all places we ought to be free to express ourselves (civilly) on matters relating to sexuality free from the liberal habit of shutting down anyone who does not espouse opinions we approve of.

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Georgina St. Claire's avatar

You seem to be pretty confused about the definitions of "fact", "opinion" and "liberal", Dan. (Perhaps about the purpose of this particular site as well) It happens to be a fact that same-sex attraction is not a paraphilia. It is not my personal opinion.

Though hotly contested in some circles, it is also a fact that a person cannot be born into the wrong body; equally that a biological man or woman cannot become a person of the opposite sex.

In my opinion, people are free to have differing opinions and beliefs about everything life offers. What isn't helpful in these discussions, are made up ideas and opinions parading around as fact. If someone wanting to promote the idea of same-sex attraction as a paraphilia, then perhaps they should find a different forum devoted to such topics, rather than this particular site. This is not censorship, though you seem to be of a different opinion. :)

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Dan Hochberg's avatar

Ooooh. "Opinions other than mine are not welcome. Go to another forum".

So sorry Georgina, but I am sticking around here. I found your comments interesting and helpful up until now, but you are certainly welcome to take a hike as well.

You claim I am parading around made up opinions. Yours is equally made up as opinions tend to be, and as a lesbian you have strong reasons to favor one opinion over another.

And what's truly annoying, that you seem to miss, is I am not even expressing an opinion on whether same sex attraction is a paraphilia. Read my comments again. I am saying Samizbot is entitled to express an opinion that differs from yours or Mildred's, and I don't think this (where an approved narrative about the trans phenomenon is outed as a lie) should be a place where people are clamoring to eradicate opinions that differ from their own.

And, again, I am not making the argument for or against whether same sex attraction is a "paraphilia". My thoughts are rather nuanced on the topic, in an age where people don't do nuance, and are not germane to the main topic on this forum. Why are you trying to make me an enemy when there is a greater battle to fight?

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Mildred's avatar

I'm not trying to censor anyone, I can't censor anyone here. My opinion is that he is homophobic. You don't like that opinion, too bad. I'm not asking the PITT moderator to censor anyone either. And it has nothing to do with "liberal habits" either. So blah, blah, blah on, as you see fit, you are free to do so. And I am free not to waste time conversing with people who communicate their small-minded opinions as if they were virtuous.

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Josh Slocum's avatar

Yes, you are. Do not lie. At least have the decency to be honest about what you're doing.

Stop lying.

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Mildred's avatar

Seems like your comment is directed at me, Josh Slocum. Correct me if I'm wrong.... If not, then maybe Georgina St. Claire? In any case, you're the one who's lying. I think you like targeting certain people, like calling them liars, as a way to bully them. Had some exchanges with you in Substack in the past and have seen how you operate. Anyway, think and say what you like, I for one don't care. No reason I should care what you think, or Dan Hochberg, or "Samiz."

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Josh Slocum's avatar

Oh yeah I'm talking about you too. Cluck, cluck.

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Mildred's avatar

Yeah, same Josh Slocum, same bully. I got you right from day one. So here's a question then: How is homosexuality a paraphilia? Opinion or not, what makes someone think same-sex attraction is a paraphilia?

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Josh Slocum's avatar

Block me then babe. I'm not answering your disingenuous questions.

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Mildred's avatar

Not a disingenuous question, of course, but you know that. Who you trying to fool? Who the hell is "babe" anyway? Your dislike of women is showing, not that you seem to care, you're probably proud of it.

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Dan Hochberg's avatar

Carry on. The whole 'homophobic' idea is a crock anyway to the extent it is used to indict anyone who has a different opinion. What matters most is how you treat people. Too bad you feel that you must resort to insults, though.

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Mildred's avatar

"This shouldn't be controversial. For instance, the link between homosexuality and childhood sexual abuse is well established. It would be silly to believe, as apparently these leftists do, that childhood sexual trauma *wouldn't* lead to various forms of paraphilia." Silly to believe, these leftists, various forms of paraphilia [i.e. including homosexuality]. Then post a link to some article as if to have the last word. Who's insulting whom?

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