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Josh Slocum's avatar

I think what needs to happen is that people are allowed to say things you disagree with without a call for "posts to be vetted." Very woke, very "misinformation."

I'm gay. I can handle discussions that poke at the possible causes of homosexuality.

I, too, see the (factual, not opinion) numerical correlation between homosexuality and early childhood abuse. No, not just outright, direct sexual molestation. I mean emotional abuse, or physical abuse, or both.

No one sexually molested me. Yet my story---growing up with a mother with Borderline personality disorder, no father, and only a violent stepfather--is a common one among gay men. The correlation is real.

If I can handle hearing this and talking about it without calling for moral condemnation and censorship, I think that other adults are able to do that as well.

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Tiredofdeceit's avatar

So agree. Nothing more toxic to the psyche than the borderline parent. Many are quite threatened by an honest appraisal of the issues. That itself deserves a separate look. Defense mechanisms are powerful. People react normally to abnormal situations.

The astounding leaps in logic when a child experiences a same sex attraction, or experiences angst about their developing bodies, when this may be a normal part of human development. Assuming a child who identifies as transgender is actually gay is one of those leaps. Just like assuming a tomboy has gender dysphoria or assuming a male with more effeminate traits is gay. It may or may not be the case. Just because something occurs doesn’t make it healthy or desirable. Imposing this on the young psyche is cruel and illogical. But it’s clearly not about logic.

Celebrating what may be a reaction to painful beginnings and then blaming the high incidence of mental health disturbance on society at large is (interestingly) a tool of the borderline.

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Mildred's avatar

Not excusing abusers with borderline personality disorder, but we all have a personal history, including them. But they need to be kept away from children, yet society at large says "Go ahead, have children, it's your right as an adult." Then once the child's been abused, society at large says "Time to step in and protect the child," though by then it's probably too late. So, "society at large," how do you separate that from individual experiences and personal behavior and values? They're all connected. They all feed off each other. If a society at large is emotionally unhealthy, as ours is, in my opinion, it will foster social and emotional illnesses, including borderline, narcissism, and transgenderism, among many others.

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Dan Hochberg's avatar

It is great that you are open to exploring the topic and comfortable about it. I have gay siblings and am not "anti gay", but that doesn't negate the question of what causes SSA, an interesting topic and one that bears relevance to other questions about family dynamics.

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