My son announced he was "actually a girl" in the summer of 2021 and I was forced to dive into the deep end of gender world. In that same month, Genspect was founded and PITT was such a baby that I almost dismissed it as a resource. I was barely swimming, but I was at the beginning of the new tide, and I could feel it. Two and half years later, I’m just another Rapid onset gender dysphoria (ROGD) mom of a desisted child—not a feminist anymore, not a liberal any longer, the politically homeless mom whose opinions and attitudes shifted and realigned, just as my world was collapsing.
The problem is that ROGD (rapid onset gender dysphoria) is being treated with rapid onset gender medicine. At the largest gender clinic, 85/90% of young people presented with confusion over same-sex attraction. With no medical intervention, most would have grown up to be gay and lead perfectly normal lives. Instead, they are given conversion therapy via puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgery, a misdiagnosis based on ideology, not psychology. Again, a feature of ROGD is the influence of their peers (social contagion), many of whom present with gender dysphoria at the same time. Many presenting with ROGD have previous mental health concerns. After medical intervention treatment, mental DOES NOT improve. The evidence for this is sketchy, neither do they commit suicide. They do join a group for whom later mental health challenges, regret, and the need for ongoing treatment are greater. This is my reading of the research. To even write this is to be labeled a bigot and transphobe. Fortunately, I am too old to care.
I think many in the teen ROGD cohort are not even gay but I have no hard data on that. I like the term rapid onset gender medicine. How about ROMM rapid onset medical malpractice?
Yeah, the reason I am a little skeptical is because anecdotally nowadays there are so many girls who identify as gay boys (aka straight girls) and boys who identify as lesbians (you get my drift). Do you know if Tavistock just marked sexual orientation as reported by teens or actually probed and recorded it based on the actual attraction to same or different sex (rather than "gender attraction" that is currently in vogue)?
I believe the AGP stems from sissy porn. These young kids have access to porn on their phones. My family member was captured, and I get saying you are politically homeless when the initial shock happens. The problem is the far left has taken over. There is no getting it back. The anti bullying we all supported shifted to "teams" (everyone needed to be on the same team or pressured to be), then to everyone is a racist, riots, safe spaces, activism taught in colleges and then brought down to k-12 to capture more. My boys college health class just "taught" them that they were "assigned boys at birth!!!!." Their political science class is an activism class that touched on how the government is set up in 2 out of the 16 weeks. Fourteen weeks of brainwashing activism. It is ALL connected. As much as I would like to see an independent party, we have no chance of that happening anytime in the near future. If you don't vote for changing direction nothing will change.
I don't get the idea that feminists embrace the idea that AGP boys becomesAGP men.
No feminist worth their salt thinks that.
While genspect might be an authority, it, like the author, neglects the idea that AGP men are a risk to women. Transwidows are evidence of this. AGP is a fetish, leads to abuse situations within relationships and destroys the family unit.
If a boy likes feminine clothes, then he likes feminine things - no labels required.
Many of the arguments in this article don't make sense to me, such as "If this (that many ROGD boys are AGP) is true, it follows that they should be taught that they don’t need to medically transition in order to live happily as AGP men." Huh?
I wonder if all this AGP is arising from normal adolescent male sexual desire in the absence of actual females. I've read that ROGD youth are generally sexually inexperienced. Maybe "becoming" a girl is the closest they think they can come to having sex with a girl, and it's a way to express their desire that is sanctioned and celebrated by the culture. Why be an incel (nasty word) when you can be an edgy transwoman?
For the majority of males with autogynephilia, transition will be harmful.
In the past, boys with autogynephilia used to be mostly unobserved. Today, they are being taught under "gender identity" ideology, that they are really a "woman in a man's body". This encourages transition, which in most cases will be harmful.
Yes, transition will be harmful for any male because the body needs the testes to function correctly and long-term hormone use leads to a host of medical problems. What I am not taking away from these arguments is why transition would be any more harmful to boys with AGP than to boys with repressed homosexuality. If anything, I would expect that males without AGP would experience more future regret.
This is an argument made by those who champion the idea of "AGP kid" and AGP sexuality--namely, most recently, Genspect. No, these arguments don't make any sense.
It's sad that you no longer think of yourself as a feminist or a liberal. Gender ideology is actually an illiberal anti-feminist movement based on rigid ideas of sex roles and intolerance of views that don't fit their agenda. I'm not letting them redefine what it means to be a feminist or a true liberal. I'm not abandoning my beliefs or my principles, or looking to find a new ideological or political home elsewhere.
You sound very proud of retaining your feminist and liberal values, almost self-congratulatory about maintaining them in the face of adversity. Yet, I think it is actually good to re-evaluate your views and where you belong when faced with new information. We owe loyalty to our children, not to our political views. The argument about good movement gone astray has been used many many times before. The communists dying in GULAGS were convinced that "communism is still great but there are some bad apples". (BTW, if you think communists were just stupid or immoral, keep in mind that their propaganda doesn't lead with "let's destroy families" but "let's help the poor and oppressed") Likewise, people in religious cults think those who leave or bad leaders are just not "true believers". It's just wishful thinking. When something is rotten in a movement, it is likely rotten all the way through.
Yes, I am proud that I don't let woke nonsense cloud my perceptions or drive me from my principles and values. If that's self congratulatory, so be it.
You seem confused. You do know that adolescent girls are most likely to be victims of ROGD, right? Why would that be? Think. As for men who want to be women? From what I've seen, it isn't feminism driving them. Not at all. They are attracted to stereotypical feminine dress and mannerisms. Take Caitlyn Jenner, for example. The image she presents is not my idea of a feminist. Or how about Dylan Mulvaney? Real feminist there, right?
Agreed. I'm writing an article now on whether 'woke' can be reclaimed although it won't be out for awhile. I'm not woke, but I realized not all of my 'woke' friends are crazies, and I want to temper my language so as not to needlessly annoy them - the hardcore cases have long since defriended or unfollowed me. We need to reclaim liberalism from the illiberals and feminism from the misandrists who often, ironically, do whatever misogynist men tell them to do as long as they grow their hair long and call themselves Loretta. And we need to return to the values of the Enlightenment! Voltaire & the gang really caught my budding anti-authoritarian teenage rebel in college and those values have always stayed with me...I'm just amazed how the far left has abandoned them. Eventually, they could join with the radical right...they have a lot more in common than they know :(
I try to be patient with my woke friends. I realize they've been fed a lot of propaganda, and for some reason they don't see it for what it is. So, I hope they'll see the light as ideas such as transgenderism, CRT and DEI are increasingly challenged, not just by the right but those left of center. The backlash is growing.
They haven't questioned themselves enough. They haven't asked the glaringly obvious questions that we have. They've chosen, on some unconscious level, 'being right', and being a Good Inclusive Liberal over doing what's best for other marginalized groups (women, children, gay people). They've made it clear that fetishistic men's needs and desires are paramount, as always; it's how The Patriarchy conquered the left.
....And their definition will, I am coming to suspect, include child molesters.
"What right do you have to tell your child he doesn't want to have sex with me? He says he wants to. Children know what's best for themselves. Butt out!"
Brilliant piece.... so much to respond to, but I would like to read a few times before I do. Thank you for this and I agree, especially about the alarming fact that this is all been dismissed as a a true identity crisis and our lost boys get quietly slotted in with a bunch of men with a sexual deviance at such a young age, and yet all they are, are innocent, confused and lied to kids.😩💔🙏
I think the MA in Psych is getting in the way of the "common sense" in this case and needlessly complicating the issue.
Who cares WHY boys are insisting they are girls? This is irrelevant. Either men and women (boys and girls) are different, or they are not. Either bodily sexuality is innate and significant, or we are free to modify our evolved sacks-of-meat as we see fit. Either there is a natural law which humans are to comply with, or there isn't. And if there isn't, those of us who want to stop teenagers slicing off their parts are standing on philosophical sand. There's so splitting this baby. Either objective reality and natural law exist or they don't.
The teen-trans train is being pulled by the adult-trans locomotive. You can't stop one without stopping the other.
Psychologists are generally not scientists. They have to be persuaded that we humans are not designed to change sex by lopping off body parts. They learn common sense through experience. When it is her son who is affected, truth is revealed. I am thinking of a psychologist whose son is my son-in-law. His wife, my daughter, left him taking their two children to live with her younger sister who identifies as male. Other than feeling suicidal, how would a man feel when his children are effectively kidnapped by a woman trying to be “Daddy” to his children? This psychologist has written to me, referring to this legally male 24 year old as a sister. I thanked her for using the correct pronouns. Only now can she understand that being trans is being a member of an evil cult that aims to indoctrinate children.
I'm not a mom, and I generally stand with the "radfems," but I agree. I also see the addiction parallels in so many ways--and there's recovery from addiction. From what I've gathered from my (limited) discussions with/listening to detransitioned homosexual men who admit an aspect of AGP was involved in their opposite-sex ideation, all of them say that for them AGP (like any addiction) can be fed or it can be starved. Everyone deserves to develop a healthy attraction to other people rather than themselves. Like anything good, it might take a bit of work. (The whole issue of homosexual autogynephilic traits/behavior is another area that needs to be explored.) Autogynephilic tendencies are likely complex. Pronouncements are being made about autogynephilia by people with agendas of all kinds.
Just like alcohol is available everywhere, as is crap food, many drugs, porn, a bad relationship, as is pretty much anything that gives a dopamine rush. One makes a choice to disengage, and one continues to make that decision over and over and over again. That is how an addiction is broken. It isn't by removing the trigger entirely. It's by making the decision to strengthen the muscle that resists going down the wrong path one has decided not to go down, and remaking that decision again and again until (hopefully) the trigger has less power. Breaking an addiction is an inside job.
Quite true. It seems there is help available for drug and alcohol addiction. There are tons of orgs that help people eat better. There is even help for porn addiction and relationship issues. Try finding help for detransitioners, desisters, and those questioning the trans industry. Our country is not only lacking the tools to help these individuals, they are pushing them deeper into their addictions. I can't wait until this horrid scam is over and we can start picking up the pieces of all of these broken lives.💔
I really do not agree with any of these "must agree about AGP" statements. AGP is not a traditional perversion. It's not new, but what is new is the epidemic ROGD condition for AGP. It's not normal, it's not innate, and it should not be enabled/accepted by parents.
"Being demoralized means losing the ability to distinguish real from fake and true from false without appealing to authority or an expert. When parents are being told that, they not only don’t know their kids, but also can't know their kids, it is the first step of brainwashing. According to Robert Jay Lifton, a psychologist who studied brainwashing and mind control, the first two stages of brainwashing are assault on identity and shame. While our children are undergoing the process of thought reform online, parents are exposed to the same brainwashing forces by the society at large. However, it is even more destabilising when the assault on identity and shaming come from the sources we have grown to trust, and when conflicting information is presented as facts. Mothers know best, but mothers also don’t know how to parent ROGD kids. Mothers know best, but they are not allowed to think about their child’s potential AGP, as this is incestual and thus shameful. This all leads to weakened beliefs and values, to the feeling of helplessness and to the heightened need to consult with the gurus of the movement."
Very well put. Parents are being brainwashed and the last thing they need is to consult with these gurus. Best to follow your instincts and do your own homework. Talking to detransitioners has to be a better way to get the information needed. They are the authorities not the self proclaimed experts who are cashing in on the pain of parents and families.
i agree. Especially the Robert Jay Lifton two stages of brainwashing - assault on identity and shame. Shame and guilt is the most coercive control mechanism this insane movement has utlizied.
"AGP or not, all boys need to be educated on the challenges of adolescence. This would help them see their discomfort as normal, while also learning that porn influences are abnormal and undesirable." First of all, I have never heard of AGP (have now been educated) and I for one am shocked that this new transgender "label" is now being used to once again continue the confusion, make more excuses and keep this perversion going. This cult will stop at nothing, it seems, but the more we expose the TRUTH the weaker these insane groomers become! We must continue this fight and never give up our HOPE for every lost child. I have asked myself "what's next" and maybe this is the next phase of this crazy ideology - creating more and more excuses to cover their tracks. Well, we know that the pedophiles and groomers have their hand in this cult and are trying to normalize their sick behavior. I am not going to accept or tolerate this new AGP label. Enough is enough. Keep fighting - as our voices are being heard because the truth will prevail!
I agree that boys need to educated on the challenges of adolescence.
In many cases of these boys with AGP, they have NO understanding of what normal sex involves. There are profound psychotic issues with the penis. I believe that in many cases, these boys have never masturbated nor had normal sex with a woman. They have been conditioned by the current pathology in society that boys are bad and masculinity is toxic.
"we then also must agree that AGP is an innate sexuality"
Only to the extent that we resign ourselves to paraphilia as being "innate."
It is not obvious that this is so. The difficulty, of course, is the liability attendant to frank and open discussion. Insufficient attention is being paid to the role of adaptive learning in the context of environmental stimuli.
It's an entirely unwholesome paradigm, this shallow appeal to the merely sensate from those advocating for paraphilia as a lifestyle choice. Androgyny becomes maladaptive when it leads to self-harm.
The mental health industry has become so heavily invested in the illusion of omniscience that it has actively sought to reparameterize the criteria for adaptation. What was an exhibition of intellectual insolvency has devolved into moral bankruptcy. How else to view encouragement of self-harm?
It isn't a matter of copulative behavioral expression when the situation becomes one where the "treatment" of dysmorphia involves medical harm resembling nothing so much as a novel form of icepick lobotomy, one accompanied by voluntarily induced lifelong disease.
Having talked in depth with a few transexual men who have fully transitioned one thing they all had in common was a deeply homophobic father figure.
If you assume the theory of “autogynephillia” to be true, then there should be a number of people you consider “actual women” who also fit that definition. Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19591032/ (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/363429868_A_Response_to_Bailey_and_Hsu_2022_It_Helps_If_You_Stop_Confusing_Gender_Dysphoria_and_Transvestism also has some other callouts that point out the holes in the theory)
The problem is that ROGD (rapid onset gender dysphoria) is being treated with rapid onset gender medicine. At the largest gender clinic, 85/90% of young people presented with confusion over same-sex attraction. With no medical intervention, most would have grown up to be gay and lead perfectly normal lives. Instead, they are given conversion therapy via puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgery, a misdiagnosis based on ideology, not psychology. Again, a feature of ROGD is the influence of their peers (social contagion), many of whom present with gender dysphoria at the same time. Many presenting with ROGD have previous mental health concerns. After medical intervention treatment, mental DOES NOT improve. The evidence for this is sketchy, neither do they commit suicide. They do join a group for whom later mental health challenges, regret, and the need for ongoing treatment are greater. This is my reading of the research. To even write this is to be labeled a bigot and transphobe. Fortunately, I am too old to care.
I think many in the teen ROGD cohort are not even gay but I have no hard data on that. I like the term rapid onset gender medicine. How about ROMM rapid onset medical malpractice?
At the Tavistock, a significant proportion between 60-85 % were same sex attracted.
Yeah, the reason I am a little skeptical is because anecdotally nowadays there are so many girls who identify as gay boys (aka straight girls) and boys who identify as lesbians (you get my drift). Do you know if Tavistock just marked sexual orientation as reported by teens or actually probed and recorded it based on the actual attraction to same or different sex (rather than "gender attraction" that is currently in vogue)?
I believe the AGP stems from sissy porn. These young kids have access to porn on their phones. My family member was captured, and I get saying you are politically homeless when the initial shock happens. The problem is the far left has taken over. There is no getting it back. The anti bullying we all supported shifted to "teams" (everyone needed to be on the same team or pressured to be), then to everyone is a racist, riots, safe spaces, activism taught in colleges and then brought down to k-12 to capture more. My boys college health class just "taught" them that they were "assigned boys at birth!!!!." Their political science class is an activism class that touched on how the government is set up in 2 out of the 16 weeks. Fourteen weeks of brainwashing activism. It is ALL connected. As much as I would like to see an independent party, we have no chance of that happening anytime in the near future. If you don't vote for changing direction nothing will change.
You told it like it is, Truthbetold. - LM
I don't get the idea that feminists embrace the idea that AGP boys becomesAGP men.
No feminist worth their salt thinks that.
While genspect might be an authority, it, like the author, neglects the idea that AGP men are a risk to women. Transwidows are evidence of this. AGP is a fetish, leads to abuse situations within relationships and destroys the family unit.
If a boy likes feminine clothes, then he likes feminine things - no labels required.
Many of the arguments in this article don't make sense to me, such as "If this (that many ROGD boys are AGP) is true, it follows that they should be taught that they don’t need to medically transition in order to live happily as AGP men." Huh?
I wonder if all this AGP is arising from normal adolescent male sexual desire in the absence of actual females. I've read that ROGD youth are generally sexually inexperienced. Maybe "becoming" a girl is the closest they think they can come to having sex with a girl, and it's a way to express their desire that is sanctioned and celebrated by the culture. Why be an incel (nasty word) when you can be an edgy transwoman?
For the majority of males with autogynephilia, transition will be harmful.
In the past, boys with autogynephilia used to be mostly unobserved. Today, they are being taught under "gender identity" ideology, that they are really a "woman in a man's body". This encourages transition, which in most cases will be harmful.
Yes, transition will be harmful for any male because the body needs the testes to function correctly and long-term hormone use leads to a host of medical problems. What I am not taking away from these arguments is why transition would be any more harmful to boys with AGP than to boys with repressed homosexuality. If anything, I would expect that males without AGP would experience more future regret.
This is an argument made by those who champion the idea of "AGP kid" and AGP sexuality--namely, most recently, Genspect. No, these arguments don't make any sense.
Thank you for posting. I am very happy for you that your son desisted!!!
It's sad that you no longer think of yourself as a feminist or a liberal. Gender ideology is actually an illiberal anti-feminist movement based on rigid ideas of sex roles and intolerance of views that don't fit their agenda. I'm not letting them redefine what it means to be a feminist or a true liberal. I'm not abandoning my beliefs or my principles, or looking to find a new ideological or political home elsewhere.
You sound very proud of retaining your feminist and liberal values, almost self-congratulatory about maintaining them in the face of adversity. Yet, I think it is actually good to re-evaluate your views and where you belong when faced with new information. We owe loyalty to our children, not to our political views. The argument about good movement gone astray has been used many many times before. The communists dying in GULAGS were convinced that "communism is still great but there are some bad apples". (BTW, if you think communists were just stupid or immoral, keep in mind that their propaganda doesn't lead with "let's destroy families" but "let's help the poor and oppressed") Likewise, people in religious cults think those who leave or bad leaders are just not "true believers". It's just wishful thinking. When something is rotten in a movement, it is likely rotten all the way through.
Yes, I am proud that I don't let woke nonsense cloud my perceptions or drive me from my principles and values. If that's self congratulatory, so be it.
feminism has led many a boy to want to become a woman.
You seem confused. You do know that adolescent girls are most likely to be victims of ROGD, right? Why would that be? Think. As for men who want to be women? From what I've seen, it isn't feminism driving them. Not at all. They are attracted to stereotypical feminine dress and mannerisms. Take Caitlyn Jenner, for example. The image she presents is not my idea of a feminist. Or how about Dylan Mulvaney? Real feminist there, right?
"Take Caitlyn Jenner...The image *he presents.." Sorry, just a minor quibble, but I think it’s important.
No doubt, Jenner and Mulvaney aren't feminists.
Agreed. I'm writing an article now on whether 'woke' can be reclaimed although it won't be out for awhile. I'm not woke, but I realized not all of my 'woke' friends are crazies, and I want to temper my language so as not to needlessly annoy them - the hardcore cases have long since defriended or unfollowed me. We need to reclaim liberalism from the illiberals and feminism from the misandrists who often, ironically, do whatever misogynist men tell them to do as long as they grow their hair long and call themselves Loretta. And we need to return to the values of the Enlightenment! Voltaire & the gang really caught my budding anti-authoritarian teenage rebel in college and those values have always stayed with me...I'm just amazed how the far left has abandoned them. Eventually, they could join with the radical right...they have a lot more in common than they know :(
I try to be patient with my woke friends. I realize they've been fed a lot of propaganda, and for some reason they don't see it for what it is. So, I hope they'll see the light as ideas such as transgenderism, CRT and DEI are increasingly challenged, not just by the right but those left of center. The backlash is growing.
They haven't questioned themselves enough. They haven't asked the glaringly obvious questions that we have. They've chosen, on some unconscious level, 'being right', and being a Good Inclusive Liberal over doing what's best for other marginalized groups (women, children, gay people). They've made it clear that fetishistic men's needs and desires are paramount, as always; it's how The Patriarchy conquered the left.
And their idea of being "inclusive" excludes people who would dare challenge any of their assumptions or beliefs.
....And their definition will, I am coming to suspect, include child molesters.
"What right do you have to tell your child he doesn't want to have sex with me? He says he wants to. Children know what's best for themselves. Butt out!"
Brilliant piece.... so much to respond to, but I would like to read a few times before I do. Thank you for this and I agree, especially about the alarming fact that this is all been dismissed as a a true identity crisis and our lost boys get quietly slotted in with a bunch of men with a sexual deviance at such a young age, and yet all they are, are innocent, confused and lied to kids.😩💔🙏
I think the MA in Psych is getting in the way of the "common sense" in this case and needlessly complicating the issue.
Who cares WHY boys are insisting they are girls? This is irrelevant. Either men and women (boys and girls) are different, or they are not. Either bodily sexuality is innate and significant, or we are free to modify our evolved sacks-of-meat as we see fit. Either there is a natural law which humans are to comply with, or there isn't. And if there isn't, those of us who want to stop teenagers slicing off their parts are standing on philosophical sand. There's so splitting this baby. Either objective reality and natural law exist or they don't.
The teen-trans train is being pulled by the adult-trans locomotive. You can't stop one without stopping the other.
Psychologists are generally not scientists. They have to be persuaded that we humans are not designed to change sex by lopping off body parts. They learn common sense through experience. When it is her son who is affected, truth is revealed. I am thinking of a psychologist whose son is my son-in-law. His wife, my daughter, left him taking their two children to live with her younger sister who identifies as male. Other than feeling suicidal, how would a man feel when his children are effectively kidnapped by a woman trying to be “Daddy” to his children? This psychologist has written to me, referring to this legally male 24 year old as a sister. I thanked her for using the correct pronouns. Only now can she understand that being trans is being a member of an evil cult that aims to indoctrinate children.
I'm not a mom, and I generally stand with the "radfems," but I agree. I also see the addiction parallels in so many ways--and there's recovery from addiction. From what I've gathered from my (limited) discussions with/listening to detransitioned homosexual men who admit an aspect of AGP was involved in their opposite-sex ideation, all of them say that for them AGP (like any addiction) can be fed or it can be starved. Everyone deserves to develop a healthy attraction to other people rather than themselves. Like anything good, it might take a bit of work. (The whole issue of homosexual autogynephilic traits/behavior is another area that needs to be explored.) Autogynephilic tendencies are likely complex. Pronouncements are being made about autogynephilia by people with agendas of all kinds.
Hard to starve this addiction when it is marketed and profitable by those with agendas.
Just like alcohol is available everywhere, as is crap food, many drugs, porn, a bad relationship, as is pretty much anything that gives a dopamine rush. One makes a choice to disengage, and one continues to make that decision over and over and over again. That is how an addiction is broken. It isn't by removing the trigger entirely. It's by making the decision to strengthen the muscle that resists going down the wrong path one has decided not to go down, and remaking that decision again and again until (hopefully) the trigger has less power. Breaking an addiction is an inside job.
Quite true. It seems there is help available for drug and alcohol addiction. There are tons of orgs that help people eat better. There is even help for porn addiction and relationship issues. Try finding help for detransitioners, desisters, and those questioning the trans industry. Our country is not only lacking the tools to help these individuals, they are pushing them deeper into their addictions. I can't wait until this horrid scam is over and we can start picking up the pieces of all of these broken lives.💔
I really do not agree with any of these "must agree about AGP" statements. AGP is not a traditional perversion. It's not new, but what is new is the epidemic ROGD condition for AGP. It's not normal, it's not innate, and it should not be enabled/accepted by parents.
One of the best paragraphs I've read:
"Being demoralized means losing the ability to distinguish real from fake and true from false without appealing to authority or an expert. When parents are being told that, they not only don’t know their kids, but also can't know their kids, it is the first step of brainwashing. According to Robert Jay Lifton, a psychologist who studied brainwashing and mind control, the first two stages of brainwashing are assault on identity and shame. While our children are undergoing the process of thought reform online, parents are exposed to the same brainwashing forces by the society at large. However, it is even more destabilising when the assault on identity and shaming come from the sources we have grown to trust, and when conflicting information is presented as facts. Mothers know best, but mothers also don’t know how to parent ROGD kids. Mothers know best, but they are not allowed to think about their child’s potential AGP, as this is incestual and thus shameful. This all leads to weakened beliefs and values, to the feeling of helplessness and to the heightened need to consult with the gurus of the movement."
Very well put. Parents are being brainwashed and the last thing they need is to consult with these gurus. Best to follow your instincts and do your own homework. Talking to detransitioners has to be a better way to get the information needed. They are the authorities not the self proclaimed experts who are cashing in on the pain of parents and families.
i agree. Especially the Robert Jay Lifton two stages of brainwashing - assault on identity and shame. Shame and guilt is the most coercive control mechanism this insane movement has utlizied.
"AGP or not, all boys need to be educated on the challenges of adolescence. This would help them see their discomfort as normal, while also learning that porn influences are abnormal and undesirable." First of all, I have never heard of AGP (have now been educated) and I for one am shocked that this new transgender "label" is now being used to once again continue the confusion, make more excuses and keep this perversion going. This cult will stop at nothing, it seems, but the more we expose the TRUTH the weaker these insane groomers become! We must continue this fight and never give up our HOPE for every lost child. I have asked myself "what's next" and maybe this is the next phase of this crazy ideology - creating more and more excuses to cover their tracks. Well, we know that the pedophiles and groomers have their hand in this cult and are trying to normalize their sick behavior. I am not going to accept or tolerate this new AGP label. Enough is enough. Keep fighting - as our voices are being heard because the truth will prevail!
I agree that boys need to educated on the challenges of adolescence.
In many cases of these boys with AGP, they have NO understanding of what normal sex involves. There are profound psychotic issues with the penis. I believe that in many cases, these boys have never masturbated nor had normal sex with a woman. They have been conditioned by the current pathology in society that boys are bad and masculinity is toxic.
"we then also must agree that AGP is an innate sexuality"
Only to the extent that we resign ourselves to paraphilia as being "innate."
It is not obvious that this is so. The difficulty, of course, is the liability attendant to frank and open discussion. Insufficient attention is being paid to the role of adaptive learning in the context of environmental stimuli.
It's an entirely unwholesome paradigm, this shallow appeal to the merely sensate from those advocating for paraphilia as a lifestyle choice. Androgyny becomes maladaptive when it leads to self-harm.
The mental health industry has become so heavily invested in the illusion of omniscience that it has actively sought to reparameterize the criteria for adaptation. What was an exhibition of intellectual insolvency has devolved into moral bankruptcy. How else to view encouragement of self-harm?
It isn't a matter of copulative behavioral expression when the situation becomes one where the "treatment" of dysmorphia involves medical harm resembling nothing so much as a novel form of icepick lobotomy, one accompanied by voluntarily induced lifelong disease.
You’ve clearly done your research and found myself peaking over 9 years ago.