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Litany's avatar

All scientists go where the money is like any other group of human beings.

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wwww's avatar

yes . that is why everything they proport needs to be closely examined . I am convinced that Americans now worship "experts" and "Scientists" as gods. pure idolatry. It never enters their head that the may have an agenda .

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Litany's avatar

Science stopped being science when the scientists went after the government grants and government used them to push narratives.

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GenderRealistMom's avatar

How do you suggest they fund their work? The times of rich upper class gentlemen who funded their research with their family money ended more than 100 years ago. There is tons of good science going on in the world, let's not put all the science down. ( I am not referring to gender crap but to real science in non-gender related areas)

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Litany's avatar

What's the real science? The kind that can be questioned or the kind that gets one labeled a denier, bigot, conspiracy theorist, anti-science or just plain dumb etc?

So far, the science that gets one labeled because it is above questioning is:

1) transcult gender blender,

2)alarmism related to climate change,

3)the wisdom of investing so much in renewable energy. don't even try to say fossil fuels aren't organic and are renewable. That'll get you laughed out of the room but that's where all the evidence is. ,

4) EVs are the way of the future and they'll become more cost efficient because someone will invent a better battery and Rare Earth Minerals will stop being rare.

5) that mRNA vaccinations work...at all, much less any other vaccine,

6) cutting out fat and red meat is more healthy than cutting out whole grains, carbs, seed oils. Sugar is really, really bad and Vitamin C as asorbic acid in pills doesn't really work.

7) Alzheimer could be a venereal disease and misfolded proteins has nothing to do with that dreadful disease

8) Schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression and other mental illnesses may in part be caused by marijuana combined with a genetic predisposition,

9) the Planet is facing an overpopulation problem and underpopulation isn' a problem at all.

10) religion is a bane on humanity.

And my favorite:

It doesn't matter how fat someone is because it's possible to be healthy and fat.

The actual scientific evidence for the contrary on all these things is pretty much as close to certain as science can get. To be specific, half of it is could be wrong but no one knows what half. Yet, the acceptable science, that doesn't get someone labeled, can't be questioned.

You said "The times of rich upper class gentlemen who funded their research with their family money ended more than 100 years ago." yeah, because now all the rich people with money donate to politicians and activist groups. They barely even donate to real charities anymore. It's not that the very wealthy who could move science forward, and more to the point, their money, doesn't exist. It's they have no interest in promoting science for the sake of knowing.

I don't know that science was ever truly free from bias from trends and fashions. There's enough pseudo science in the 20th century to know that it's not immune to that. It's in hyperdrive in the 21st century. How do we distinguish between real science and fake science because not one of us can know everything. I look at the money, the credentials, the track record and most especially, whoever has nothing to gain but something to lose by being the odd one out.

A "disgraced" climate scientist like John Coleman, who lost his reputation, friends and stopped being the toast of the mainstream media will always be far more of a truth teller in my opinion than a distraught kid turned snarky teenager who got a faux PhD in theology for spreading climate change alarmism.

Honestly, it's just what Aristotle said in the Ethics: First, ask the many. Then, ask the wise. Nothing has changed. It's just that those who want to be thought of as wise, added professional boards, credentials and resumes but they're still part of the many.

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