To parents who are fighting to keep their newly trans-identifying children bodily intact, these state beliefs will sound familiar: • These children need to embrace their true identity. • In denying the state-recognized identity, their parents are enemies of the state.
Someone needs to explain this to me... I don’t support allowing children to transition in anyway without going through years and years of intense treatment of all kinds and only after all of it than the GAC can be discussed but the person should never be under the age of 23 at the youngest. Am I in the wrong place?
transphobic* parents are enemies of their children and the safety of thousands of people. i could be more eloquent, but riling up transphobes is more fun
Jenn Burleton, so you have read about the detransitioners and still are going to continue to push the false trans pseudoscience on vulnerable kids and their parents? Then you're just a damn fool.
No assumptions. Just responding to the words/language you appear to not fully understand. So...I'm callous about folks who retransition, but you're NOT callous about deny care to trans youth? It's all one sided? Is that how you perceive reality to be?
And...I'm not the cult type. That's why I don't believe in imaginary gods that live in the sky...or anywhere for that matter. There is nothing you've read about trans kids that I haven't also read - all the way through. Repeatedly.
People like you believe someone else's subjective 'summary' of the Karolinska study, while I read and speak to the researcher's themselves.
I think my efforts here are done. I'm entirely too busy supporting loving families in accessing gender affirming care for their adolescents and teens.
Tiger Lily...it's hard to have a linear discussion when you and others continue to conflate the meaning of one word/term with something different. It reveals your casual grasp of the existential topic. Changing the APPEARANCE of physical anatomy IS NOT the same as changing physical or, if you will, biological sex. It's hard to respond to what your understanding is, when it appears that you don't fully understand that different words have different meanings.
People modify their physical appearance all the time, and yes, sometimes that includes medical or cosmetic surgery. Your opposition to this is very specific, and it appears to be more about anti-trans ideology.
If you knew anything about this process, you would know that both phalloplasty and vaginoplasty have high rates of post-operative ability to enjoy sexual pleasure. Is it 100%? Of course not. Chemotherapy isn't 100% either, but we don't ban it. Satisfaction with nose jobs, or face peels isn't 100% either. Heck...satisfaction with the effects of Viagra isn't 100%. I don't see any men (or their partners) calling for a ban on that.
I read the Reddit r/detrans feed. I also read the Reddit r/actual_detrans feed. You should do both.
You think "detrans" means not being trans anymore, when for most people retransitioning is far more complex than that. But that complexity doesn't serve your ideological objective, which is, in the words of Michael Knowles, "eradication of transgender ideology", even though there is no such thing as "transgender ideology." Y'all made that up.
Jenn, you have a very callous and casual attitude about the misery that the families are going through and writing about on this substack. As well as the very real confusion and pain the detransioners are going though. You're also making a lot of assumptions about my understanding and it appears you are doing so to fit your own agenda about this sad and disturbing cult. You are obviously part of the problem and should not be commenting on this substack.
I say, when and if this horror ever ends, we have to ensure justice is done. We can never let this go and move on... justice and punishment MUST be served. Names MUST be named. Compensation MUST be paid and apologies MUST be made. We have to make a vow that the y will not get away quietly and easily, we must never forget just how evil and pernicious and incredibly pervasive this ordeal is/has been!?
You've established a false premise, and then created a campaign of opposition to that false premise.
No expert in gender affirming care has claimed that "physical sex" is being changed. I am one of the leading providers of professional development education in the USA, and I would never suggest that "physical sex" can be changed.
But physical appearance and secondary sex characteristics can be altered as a way of reducing gender dysphoria and improving quality of life.
Y'all create the meme (i.e. "change physical sex") and then accuse others of transgressing the meme you created out of whole cloth. It's both silly and dangerous.
Gender IS NOT sex. The denial of that is something called "metaphysical skepticism."
So the males that get their penis removed or inverted and the females that are removing their uterus and getting a phalloplasty are not trying to change there physical anatomy? And when they mutilate healthy body parts, how do they expect to actually function as the opposite sex? They are being sold a lie. Read about the misery of the 47,000 detransitioners on Reddit to get a wider understanding: https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/
1. To you, everyone who disagrees with you on this issue is "Josef Mengele". NONSENSE.
2. Dismissing identity variations as a "cult" is further evidence that you are an ideological crusader, and not a serious person.
3. Transgender identity is NOT just "vapid teen girls looking for attention." There are also kids of all sexes and gender who identify as something different, or perhaps more complex than the binary-only gender role they were assigned to at birth. While binary gender works for those that follow Abrahamic religions, it's not the way humans have ever worked. But that will mean nothing to you.
4. I'm assuming you meant 'male' rather than 'make'. The "F" in TERF is for "feminist" not "female", and their are several male feminists who espouse trans exclusionary radical feminist ideology.
But hey...if you've got an 8-year old that can explain what YOU think it means, I'm open to listening.
Mr. Fox...that you believe affirming trans youth started in 2009 (when that is only when extremist opposition to it began) is revealing of how uninformed you are about the issue. Trans kids have existed for decades (actually, forever), but let's just go back to the 1940's.
Many kids (and adults) took their own lives out of despair simply because they could NOT be visible, or share what they were experiencing with anyone due to both cultural ignorance, and lack of access to others who were like them. I've been working directly with these kids and their families since 2006, and knew they existed long before that, because I've also facilitated peer support for trans adults, most of whom talked about their despair and suicidality in their youth. As with most suicides, we don't know WHY a lot of people kill themselves because they don't leave notes. Now, we have more data because more people know a kid is trans, or nonbinary or otherwise gender expansive BEFORE they engage in self-harm, so we know more about WHY they've taken their own lives.
You want to believe the false narrative that this is something 'new', and only began in 2009 because people driven by ideology or political expediency perpetuate the disinformation campaign in order to demonize and terrorize these kids and their families.
I know I'm wasting my breath here, but I'm genuinely trying to engage in dialogue about this, but you are so dismissive of anything other than the anti-trans disinformation you're consuming that you can't even engage objectively. So...why do I do it? Because I care about these kids lives, and the health and well-being of their families. Now, go ahead...give us your canned "groomer", "mutilator", "castrator" hate diatribe.
Those who've adopted children from Russia will tell you that childcare is not something that their government does well. Its laughable that they are questioning Ukrainian parenting and highlighting the benefits of their own record. But when your regime/plan/ideology lacks basic common sense, deception is required Force anti-reality onto as many as possible, as young as possible. Win with propaganda, screaming hysterics, name-calling and lies, and hide the violence behind posters of happy families, glitter, unicorns and rainbows. Lipstick on a pig comes to mind. Russian nanny state is my topic, of course
You cannot victimize me, because I don't give you the power to do that. How many trans kids do you know, Mr. Fox? Not "retransitioners", but kids who are happy and receiving support from their families? Please tell me you've come to your extremist opinions as the result of engaging directly with hundreds of trans youth who are thriving after transition. I have...
I'm just wondering....how happy do you think these children will be when they are in their 30's and 40's and realize they can never have children of their own or never know the joy and satisfaction of breast-feeding their baby? I can't even imagine the regret they may have and how would their suicide ideation be then?
Blabber all you like, nobody is going to take you seriously. Funny you should choose such an unreceptive audience to rant to, why, it's almost as though you're seeking out opposition so you can feel uplifted by victimization.
Spiky...I know more about both Tavistock and Portman clinic than you ever will. As to the Karolinska Institut study I believe you're referring to, it DOES NOT come to the conclusions you've been told it does. I know this because I've not only read and studied the whole thing, but I've spoken to the researchers themselves.
Again...you're not actually educating yourself, you're just drinking the Christian Nationalist and TERF Kool-Aid because it appeals to your existing bias, and (potentially) lazy thinking.
You start out with what could be wildly skewed opinions but then you go into vehement denial of objectively verifiable reality. OK, nothing new for the "trans" activists such as yourself; your creed is built atop the psychotic fad of postmodernism, for which the denial of objective reality is fundamental. When you deny the European reversals of "gender affirmation" you enter Flat Earth territory. You are saying rocks fall up and pigs fly. You ensure that nobody will take you seriously and, happily, you discredit the abhorrent position you seek to present here.
And abhorrent it is. "Gender affirmation" *does* mutilate children, *does* sterilize adolescents by removing their sex organs, and *does* treat impulsive and fad-driven decisions by people far too young to make them as somehow reflecting an inner nature that is only denied by prejudice. There is no such thing as "sex change," sex is an immutable characteristic determined at conception, at the earliest moment of pregnancy, and it is likely there will never be a medical procedure that legitimately changes sex.
You are unmoored, adrift at sea without oars, lost in a daze and haze, and you should shut the fuck up before some poor desperate fool takes you seriously.
Repeat: peer-reviewed medical statistics say that gender dysphoria appears in one in 30,000-110,000 births. Black's Medical Dictionary (2017) is right in the middle of this range; one in 30,000 boys, one in 100,000 girls; one in 65,000 for both sexes.
Not the one in 65 claimed by the "trans" activists.
So, small wonder, those wretched and vile activists say that dysphoria is not prerequisite to the joy of "trans," that it takes nothing more than self-identification. This is insane. It allows disturbed, shallow, and impressionable teens to use "trans" as a way to get attention or to escape their unhappy lives into a fantasy of specialness, with the bonus benefit of feeling important enough to be persecuted.
But, let's not forget, that about one in a thousand of the "trans" actually are dysphoric, an invisibly small sliver of the movement, and they are being dragged along by an ideology that very few of them want.
The same cannot be said for the "nonbinary," for which there is zero psychological basis whatsoever. There have been gender-indifferent people as long as there have been people but they didn't form a movement and didn't run around yelling at people about their magic pronouns or their magic names.
Sadly, I fear our nation will never admit what was inflicted on the bodies of children, but we can at least hope. I just hope this madness comes to an end, and sooner than later. Such a good article, Matt, thank you, for making the connection to Ukrainian children's indoctrination. Why is it some people would refuse to see the similarity?
Maybe someday this "trans kid" nonsense will be treated as genocide of autistic kids, especially women, by eliminating our ability to reproduce.
Someone needs to explain this to me... I don’t support allowing children to transition in anyway without going through years and years of intense treatment of all kinds and only after all of it than the GAC can be discussed but the person should never be under the age of 23 at the youngest. Am I in the wrong place?
transphobic* parents are enemies of their children and the safety of thousands of people. i could be more eloquent, but riling up transphobes is more fun
Jenn Burleton, so you have read about the detransitioners and still are going to continue to push the false trans pseudoscience on vulnerable kids and their parents? Then you're just a damn fool.
No assumptions. Just responding to the words/language you appear to not fully understand. So...I'm callous about folks who retransition, but you're NOT callous about deny care to trans youth? It's all one sided? Is that how you perceive reality to be?
And...I'm not the cult type. That's why I don't believe in imaginary gods that live in the sky...or anywhere for that matter. There is nothing you've read about trans kids that I haven't also read - all the way through. Repeatedly.
People like you believe someone else's subjective 'summary' of the Karolinska study, while I read and speak to the researcher's themselves.
I think my efforts here are done. I'm entirely too busy supporting loving families in accessing gender affirming care for their adolescents and teens.
Tiger Lily...it's hard to have a linear discussion when you and others continue to conflate the meaning of one word/term with something different. It reveals your casual grasp of the existential topic. Changing the APPEARANCE of physical anatomy IS NOT the same as changing physical or, if you will, biological sex. It's hard to respond to what your understanding is, when it appears that you don't fully understand that different words have different meanings.
People modify their physical appearance all the time, and yes, sometimes that includes medical or cosmetic surgery. Your opposition to this is very specific, and it appears to be more about anti-trans ideology.
If you knew anything about this process, you would know that both phalloplasty and vaginoplasty have high rates of post-operative ability to enjoy sexual pleasure. Is it 100%? Of course not. Chemotherapy isn't 100% either, but we don't ban it. Satisfaction with nose jobs, or face peels isn't 100% either. Heck...satisfaction with the effects of Viagra isn't 100%. I don't see any men (or their partners) calling for a ban on that.
I read the Reddit r/detrans feed. I also read the Reddit r/actual_detrans feed. You should do both.
You think "detrans" means not being trans anymore, when for most people retransitioning is far more complex than that. But that complexity doesn't serve your ideological objective, which is, in the words of Michael Knowles, "eradication of transgender ideology", even though there is no such thing as "transgender ideology." Y'all made that up.
Jenn, you have a very callous and casual attitude about the misery that the families are going through and writing about on this substack. As well as the very real confusion and pain the detransioners are going though. You're also making a lot of assumptions about my understanding and it appears you are doing so to fit your own agenda about this sad and disturbing cult. You are obviously part of the problem and should not be commenting on this substack.
I say, when and if this horror ever ends, we have to ensure justice is done. We can never let this go and move on... justice and punishment MUST be served. Names MUST be named. Compensation MUST be paid and apologies MUST be made. We have to make a vow that the y will not get away quietly and easily, we must never forget just how evil and pernicious and incredibly pervasive this ordeal is/has been!?
You've established a false premise, and then created a campaign of opposition to that false premise.
No expert in gender affirming care has claimed that "physical sex" is being changed. I am one of the leading providers of professional development education in the USA, and I would never suggest that "physical sex" can be changed.
But physical appearance and secondary sex characteristics can be altered as a way of reducing gender dysphoria and improving quality of life.
Y'all create the meme (i.e. "change physical sex") and then accuse others of transgressing the meme you created out of whole cloth. It's both silly and dangerous.
Gender IS NOT sex. The denial of that is something called "metaphysical skepticism."
So the males that get their penis removed or inverted and the females that are removing their uterus and getting a phalloplasty are not trying to change there physical anatomy? And when they mutilate healthy body parts, how do they expect to actually function as the opposite sex? They are being sold a lie. Read about the misery of the 47,000 detransitioners on Reddit to get a wider understanding: https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/
My last points, Mr. Fox:
1. To you, everyone who disagrees with you on this issue is "Josef Mengele". NONSENSE.
2. Dismissing identity variations as a "cult" is further evidence that you are an ideological crusader, and not a serious person.
3. Transgender identity is NOT just "vapid teen girls looking for attention." There are also kids of all sexes and gender who identify as something different, or perhaps more complex than the binary-only gender role they were assigned to at birth. While binary gender works for those that follow Abrahamic religions, it's not the way humans have ever worked. But that will mean nothing to you.
4. I'm assuming you meant 'male' rather than 'make'. The "F" in TERF is for "feminist" not "female", and their are several male feminists who espouse trans exclusionary radical feminist ideology.
But hey...if you've got an 8-year old that can explain what YOU think it means, I'm open to listening.
Mr. Fox...that you believe affirming trans youth started in 2009 (when that is only when extremist opposition to it began) is revealing of how uninformed you are about the issue. Trans kids have existed for decades (actually, forever), but let's just go back to the 1940's.
Many kids (and adults) took their own lives out of despair simply because they could NOT be visible, or share what they were experiencing with anyone due to both cultural ignorance, and lack of access to others who were like them. I've been working directly with these kids and their families since 2006, and knew they existed long before that, because I've also facilitated peer support for trans adults, most of whom talked about their despair and suicidality in their youth. As with most suicides, we don't know WHY a lot of people kill themselves because they don't leave notes. Now, we have more data because more people know a kid is trans, or nonbinary or otherwise gender expansive BEFORE they engage in self-harm, so we know more about WHY they've taken their own lives.
You want to believe the false narrative that this is something 'new', and only began in 2009 because people driven by ideology or political expediency perpetuate the disinformation campaign in order to demonize and terrorize these kids and their families.
I know I'm wasting my breath here, but I'm genuinely trying to engage in dialogue about this, but you are so dismissive of anything other than the anti-trans disinformation you're consuming that you can't even engage objectively. So...why do I do it? Because I care about these kids lives, and the health and well-being of their families. Now, go ahead...give us your canned "groomer", "mutilator", "castrator" hate diatribe.
Those who've adopted children from Russia will tell you that childcare is not something that their government does well. Its laughable that they are questioning Ukrainian parenting and highlighting the benefits of their own record. But when your regime/plan/ideology lacks basic common sense, deception is required Force anti-reality onto as many as possible, as young as possible. Win with propaganda, screaming hysterics, name-calling and lies, and hide the violence behind posters of happy families, glitter, unicorns and rainbows. Lipstick on a pig comes to mind. Russian nanny state is my topic, of course
You cannot victimize me, because I don't give you the power to do that. How many trans kids do you know, Mr. Fox? Not "retransitioners", but kids who are happy and receiving support from their families? Please tell me you've come to your extremist opinions as the result of engaging directly with hundreds of trans youth who are thriving after transition. I have...
I'm just wondering....how happy do you think these children will be when they are in their 30's and 40's and realize they can never have children of their own or never know the joy and satisfaction of breast-feeding their baby? I can't even imagine the regret they may have and how would their suicide ideation be then?
I will never "shut up".
Blabber all you like, nobody is going to take you seriously. Funny you should choose such an unreceptive audience to rant to, why, it's almost as though you're seeking out opposition so you can feel uplifted by victimization.
Four words of advice: dry up, blow away.
read this while me and tucker carlson were cuddling
Spiky...I know more about both Tavistock and Portman clinic than you ever will. As to the Karolinska Institut study I believe you're referring to, it DOES NOT come to the conclusions you've been told it does. I know this because I've not only read and studied the whole thing, but I've spoken to the researchers themselves.
Again...you're not actually educating yourself, you're just drinking the Christian Nationalist and TERF Kool-Aid because it appeals to your existing bias, and (potentially) lazy thinking.
Jenn, you are not only a liar, you're stupid.
You start out with what could be wildly skewed opinions but then you go into vehement denial of objectively verifiable reality. OK, nothing new for the "trans" activists such as yourself; your creed is built atop the psychotic fad of postmodernism, for which the denial of objective reality is fundamental. When you deny the European reversals of "gender affirmation" you enter Flat Earth territory. You are saying rocks fall up and pigs fly. You ensure that nobody will take you seriously and, happily, you discredit the abhorrent position you seek to present here.
And abhorrent it is. "Gender affirmation" *does* mutilate children, *does* sterilize adolescents by removing their sex organs, and *does* treat impulsive and fad-driven decisions by people far too young to make them as somehow reflecting an inner nature that is only denied by prejudice. There is no such thing as "sex change," sex is an immutable characteristic determined at conception, at the earliest moment of pregnancy, and it is likely there will never be a medical procedure that legitimately changes sex.
You are unmoored, adrift at sea without oars, lost in a daze and haze, and you should shut the fuck up before some poor desperate fool takes you seriously.
Because no sane people will.
“Everything I don’t like is right-wing”. Many of the parents of ROGD youth are left-wing and often lgbt themselves.
This isn’t the 1990’s.
Children today cannot remember a time before Obergefell. Virtually every American high school has a GSA club.
The trope of the gay kid being bullied by the closeted jock is from the past.
Why is 1 in 4 incoming freshman to U Wisconsin trans-identified?
Left handed-ness is 1 in 10, by comparison.
Assuming trans acceptance organically increased the numbers 10x, we’d be at 60 per 100,000. Not 25,000, lol.
Over diagnosis hurts everyone, including trans people themselves. Nobody is winning here.
Repeat: peer-reviewed medical statistics say that gender dysphoria appears in one in 30,000-110,000 births. Black's Medical Dictionary (2017) is right in the middle of this range; one in 30,000 boys, one in 100,000 girls; one in 65,000 for both sexes.
Not the one in 65 claimed by the "trans" activists.
So, small wonder, those wretched and vile activists say that dysphoria is not prerequisite to the joy of "trans," that it takes nothing more than self-identification. This is insane. It allows disturbed, shallow, and impressionable teens to use "trans" as a way to get attention or to escape their unhappy lives into a fantasy of specialness, with the bonus benefit of feeling important enough to be persecuted.
But, let's not forget, that about one in a thousand of the "trans" actually are dysphoric, an invisibly small sliver of the movement, and they are being dragged along by an ideology that very few of them want.
The same cannot be said for the "nonbinary," for which there is zero psychological basis whatsoever. There have been gender-indifferent people as long as there have been people but they didn't form a movement and didn't run around yelling at people about their magic pronouns or their magic names.
One in 65,000. The rest are fakes.
Sadly, I fear our nation will never admit what was inflicted on the bodies of children, but we can at least hope. I just hope this madness comes to an end, and sooner than later. Such a good article, Matt, thank you, for making the connection to Ukrainian children's indoctrination. Why is it some people would refuse to see the similarity?
i mean, the article kinda sucks tbh
Can you be more specific?
Sorry, that was mean.
i just didnt really enjoy it, i think you need a comic relief character.
I don’t do emoji. It’s been a long time since I was twelve.