Can you believe we are even having these conversations. I see training courses like this for teachers. The world needs to know how messed up they are making our kids. They are so confused
My younger daughter who identifies as a boy is dating a young man who identities as a girl. It’s so confusing because to me it’s like they are just straight. Neither of them have had any kind of gender reassignment surgery though they both may be taking hormones. She is estranged from us so I can’t really ask her about it. It’s so strange to me.
That is one of the most bizarre posts I’ve ever seen, I’m actually laughing. And I absolutely mean no disrespect. Believe me, I’ve been on this site for years and have 2 estranged sons & 1/2 a son who is ‘gone’ ideologically.
It’s so so common isn’t it. Former lesbians transitioning to become “gay men” with other FTM’s. Straight young women transitioning to become ‘men’ dating bi-sexual men but having hetero sex and then having babies on a break from their T. This generation are so unusual. The weird thing is how sometimes the cross sex hormones appears to change their sexuality. Lesbians becoming attracted to men while on T. How is that affirming or healthy? It blows my mind. My daughter before T never wanted an intimate relationship with anyone but was “dating” girls (holding hands & spooning basically). Said the thought of having sex made her feel sick. Following T - apparently very sexually active with both sexes. I hate this for our kids 💔 it’s just so f***ed up. But yes I think sometimes this is the point of it. To be the least ‘normal’ and ‘boring’ as is possible.
I’m in the same boat. They have been together for four years now. The boy who wants to be a girl is on hormones, my girl, who wants to be a boy, thankfully is not (yet). I worry that the fact the mtf trans kid is barreling ahead with the transition will keep mine from desisting, when she otherwise might have by now.
It’s all very confusing. I keep dreaming that one day they’ll just switch genders and be their normal, natural selves again.
Remember a lot of the motivation of the trannies is "epater les bourgeoisie" or to "scandalize the middle class". They want you annoyed and offended. This is how kids "get back" at the 'rents.
Each generation believes they've discovered sex and refuse to believe anyone has anything to teach them about it. But usually, it's not been attached to a body mod/self-harming cult.
It's not "like" they are straight. They are straight, at least for the moment. Sexuality can take time to solidify, especially in an environment where anything goes and some identities are more desirable than others. (Cis Hetero = not cool, Trans = cool.)
Continue to acknowledge that it's "so strange." Because it is. Trust yourself, and don't let the ideology gaslight you. Not easy, I know. But you're still her rock, her bridge to reality and sanity.
Very important questions to ask. Whether she can answer them now or later you will have planted the seeds of reality. I hope and pray that your daughter is able to completely desist/detransition and fully accept herself as she was born to be - a female. Maneuvering this trans cult is like walking on very thin ice that can break at any given time. But you are her mother, so I suggest that you fight for your daughter any way you can as her life depends on it. Best wishes and I hope you will write another story about the positive outcome to this story.
Check (and control or at least discuss) her internet usage. She's probably watching/reading too much Yaoi anime which romanticizes gay male relationships. In her mind, her dating a boy may be part of her "I'm really a gay male" gender identity. (Yes, a heterosexual relationship can and does get perceived that way under the transgenderism spell. It's preferable because regular hetero relationships are considered inherently unequal and oppressive.)
I’d ask all of those questions. Regardless of her answers, you’ll have her thinking about taking someone else’s feelings into consideration.
I can’t help but feel this cult causes such fixation on one’s appearance that it also causes its victims to become completely & utterly selfish, without even realizing it. They become so engulfed in the concept of changing & searching for “their better self “ they don’t realize how much worse & self absorbed they’ve become. We need to focus on pointing that out to them.
I’ve watched my daughter go from a truly giving, caring person to this fixated, determined , mess. She has no clue as to how much her “change for the better “ has destroyed the wonderful woman she once was.
I pray relentlessly for her to wake up and realize what she’s throwing away.
I truly wish & pray for the best for you and your daughter.❤️🙏🕊️
Yes--ask away. You'd ask any similar questions of her w/r/t her dating partner without the trans being in the picture. So why not ask her how she's thinking/feeling about this relationship?
I have a friend whose daughter is trans-ID'd as a gay male. She's been dating the same guy since high school. I'd love to know if he thinks of himself as a gay man. Do they think about starting a family one day? Etc. We have to stop being afraid to ask some basic questions and stop acting like it's a human rights violation to be curious about how they're thinking.
I get those questions ... my son calls himself by a female name - yet he is dating a full woman. They are living together. She is actually a good match for him, it's a good relationship. But do they consider themselves lesbians? Is the estrogen he is taking affecting their 'activities'? He rock climbs and is so obviously male it's bonkers. Thank the Lord he seems to not be interested in any life altering bottom mutilations ... literally thank the Lord and I pray this over every other parent dealing with this type of situation.
When they were little, I was so worried that my two girls would be promiscuous. Their mother is extremely physically beautiful and they looked like child versions of her. I had terrifying thoughts of my precious girls being the desire of every horny teenage boy. I know how I was as a teen.
I "protected" them by discouraging dating. If only I knew. There are things far worse than promiscuous daughters.
Agree! I am not afraid of my girls being sexually active. I am glad I have maintained a relationship with both my girls to talk freely about sex, safety, empowerment, female pleasure, etc. so I know they are receiving accurate medical information, are protected and safe. I certainly don’t encourage being sexually active but encourage them to make good choices if they are.
Thanks for putting into print the awkward, never voiced questions that we all have as parent of a son or daughter going through this cult indoctrination. I have a feeling that the desist for your daughter will be soon. I pray God it is so dear one.
We discuss it frequently. She does have a group of very healthy relationships and has trusted adults in her school. She is very resistant to changing schools. With her mental health issues in the past, I would only want to make that change with her buy in. She is a junior this year. And plans to dual enroll at uni next year. So she will spend less time around the toxic past. And all of her high school courses she will take are in subject areas her former toxic friends will not be.
In our daughter's journey into this cult she was taught concepts such as toxic masculinity, misogyny , the patriarchy, etc by her groomer. There was a boy that was very interested in our daughter and after agreeing to go to prom with him she decided she didn't want to go with him and just ghosted him. When he pursued her by going to one of her classes to talk to her the dialog with her and her groomer was that he was showing toxic behavior and this pursuit of her essentially was rape culture and assault.... this idolatry is a progression of bad ideas. Praying continuously for our daughters, sons, brothers, sisters and parents impacted by this tragic ideology.
I completely understand your situation. My daughter’s ex (the desisted girl) accused my daughter of sexual assault while at school. We had to deal with the school and the police. The school, being mandatory reporters, had to involve local police. Police investigated, found no crime. But of course the social damage at school was done.
The school said they have to regularly meet with kids to say “flirting is not sexual assault”. It’s such a bizarre world.
He seemed like such a nice kid, and we saw some texts from him how he loved her curly hair... I was so happy for her and felt like maybe she could have normalcy. We felt terrible for him at the time but now when I think of him I'm so relieved for him...
I too have had this, first it was a lesbian, then both girls announced they’re men and became a gay male couple?more recently she kissed a boy, the boy states he’s gay. In my eyes that’s heterosexual attraction, but no she’s doubling down with chest binding and can’t understand why he doesn’t want a relationship with her. It’s such a mess.
Ugh the binding!! We went through a period of that. Luckily (I guess) my daughter did develop costochondritis and that pain made her realize the harm she was causing. It took 3 months for the pain to subside. She just wears sports bras now. And I have been happy to see her just wearing tshirts at night. I think it’s a sign she’s becoming more comfortable with her female form.
So sad you even have to ask these questions! The thought of asking questions like these just a few years ago seemed ridiculous.
Can you believe we are even having these conversations. I see training courses like this for teachers. The world needs to know how messed up they are making our kids. They are so confused
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I am sorry your daughter was taken by the gender cult. She is now in Queer World--a world that busts norms.
Being a "hetero cis female" would put her at the bottom of the oppression heap.
Oddly, in this mixed up world of oppression competition, I am waiting for the day hetero-cis-female becomes the new oppression hero. Lol
Excellent title for your essay. It describes the country as it described the situation.
God Bless.
My younger daughter who identifies as a boy is dating a young man who identities as a girl. It’s so confusing because to me it’s like they are just straight. Neither of them have had any kind of gender reassignment surgery though they both may be taking hormones. She is estranged from us so I can’t really ask her about it. It’s so strange to me.
That is one of the most bizarre posts I’ve ever seen, I’m actually laughing. And I absolutely mean no disrespect. Believe me, I’ve been on this site for years and have 2 estranged sons & 1/2 a son who is ‘gone’ ideologically.
It’s so so common isn’t it. Former lesbians transitioning to become “gay men” with other FTM’s. Straight young women transitioning to become ‘men’ dating bi-sexual men but having hetero sex and then having babies on a break from their T. This generation are so unusual. The weird thing is how sometimes the cross sex hormones appears to change their sexuality. Lesbians becoming attracted to men while on T. How is that affirming or healthy? It blows my mind. My daughter before T never wanted an intimate relationship with anyone but was “dating” girls (holding hands & spooning basically). Said the thought of having sex made her feel sick. Following T - apparently very sexually active with both sexes. I hate this for our kids 💔 it’s just so f***ed up. But yes I think sometimes this is the point of it. To be the least ‘normal’ and ‘boring’ as is possible.
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I’m in the same boat. They have been together for four years now. The boy who wants to be a girl is on hormones, my girl, who wants to be a boy, thankfully is not (yet). I worry that the fact the mtf trans kid is barreling ahead with the transition will keep mine from desisting, when she otherwise might have by now.
It’s all very confusing. I keep dreaming that one day they’ll just switch genders and be their normal, natural selves again.
Remember a lot of the motivation of the trannies is "epater les bourgeoisie" or to "scandalize the middle class". They want you annoyed and offended. This is how kids "get back" at the 'rents.
Each generation believes they've discovered sex and refuse to believe anyone has anything to teach them about it. But usually, it's not been attached to a body mod/self-harming cult.
It's not "like" they are straight. They are straight, at least for the moment. Sexuality can take time to solidify, especially in an environment where anything goes and some identities are more desirable than others. (Cis Hetero = not cool, Trans = cool.)
Continue to acknowledge that it's "so strange." Because it is. Trust yourself, and don't let the ideology gaslight you. Not easy, I know. But you're still her rock, her bridge to reality and sanity.
Very important questions to ask. Whether she can answer them now or later you will have planted the seeds of reality. I hope and pray that your daughter is able to completely desist/detransition and fully accept herself as she was born to be - a female. Maneuvering this trans cult is like walking on very thin ice that can break at any given time. But you are her mother, so I suggest that you fight for your daughter any way you can as her life depends on it. Best wishes and I hope you will write another story about the positive outcome to this story.
Check (and control or at least discuss) her internet usage. She's probably watching/reading too much Yaoi anime which romanticizes gay male relationships. In her mind, her dating a boy may be part of her "I'm really a gay male" gender identity. (Yes, a heterosexual relationship can and does get perceived that way under the transgenderism spell. It's preferable because regular hetero relationships are considered inherently unequal and oppressive.)
I’d ask all of those questions. Regardless of her answers, you’ll have her thinking about taking someone else’s feelings into consideration.
I can’t help but feel this cult causes such fixation on one’s appearance that it also causes its victims to become completely & utterly selfish, without even realizing it. They become so engulfed in the concept of changing & searching for “their better self “ they don’t realize how much worse & self absorbed they’ve become. We need to focus on pointing that out to them.
I’ve watched my daughter go from a truly giving, caring person to this fixated, determined , mess. She has no clue as to how much her “change for the better “ has destroyed the wonderful woman she once was.
I pray relentlessly for her to wake up and realize what she’s throwing away.
I truly wish & pray for the best for you and your daughter.❤️🙏🕊️
Yes--ask away. You'd ask any similar questions of her w/r/t her dating partner without the trans being in the picture. So why not ask her how she's thinking/feeling about this relationship?
I have a friend whose daughter is trans-ID'd as a gay male. She's been dating the same guy since high school. I'd love to know if he thinks of himself as a gay man. Do they think about starting a family one day? Etc. We have to stop being afraid to ask some basic questions and stop acting like it's a human rights violation to be curious about how they're thinking.
It's complete narcissism.
I get those questions ... my son calls himself by a female name - yet he is dating a full woman. They are living together. She is actually a good match for him, it's a good relationship. But do they consider themselves lesbians? Is the estrogen he is taking affecting their 'activities'? He rock climbs and is so obviously male it's bonkers. Thank the Lord he seems to not be interested in any life altering bottom mutilations ... literally thank the Lord and I pray this over every other parent dealing with this type of situation.
When they were little, I was so worried that my two girls would be promiscuous. Their mother is extremely physically beautiful and they looked like child versions of her. I had terrifying thoughts of my precious girls being the desire of every horny teenage boy. I know how I was as a teen.
I "protected" them by discouraging dating. If only I knew. There are things far worse than promiscuous daughters.
Agree! I am not afraid of my girls being sexually active. I am glad I have maintained a relationship with both my girls to talk freely about sex, safety, empowerment, female pleasure, etc. so I know they are receiving accurate medical information, are protected and safe. I certainly don’t encourage being sexually active but encourage them to make good choices if they are.
It seems to be moving in the right direction. Nurture that hope.
Thanks for putting into print the awkward, never voiced questions that we all have as parent of a son or daughter going through this cult indoctrination. I have a feeling that the desist for your daughter will be soon. I pray God it is so dear one.
Have you considered changing her school? That way, she could leave the toxic former acquaintances.
We discuss it frequently. She does have a group of very healthy relationships and has trusted adults in her school. She is very resistant to changing schools. With her mental health issues in the past, I would only want to make that change with her buy in. She is a junior this year. And plans to dual enroll at uni next year. So she will spend less time around the toxic past. And all of her high school courses she will take are in subject areas her former toxic friends will not be.
In our daughter's journey into this cult she was taught concepts such as toxic masculinity, misogyny , the patriarchy, etc by her groomer. There was a boy that was very interested in our daughter and after agreeing to go to prom with him she decided she didn't want to go with him and just ghosted him. When he pursued her by going to one of her classes to talk to her the dialog with her and her groomer was that he was showing toxic behavior and this pursuit of her essentially was rape culture and assault.... this idolatry is a progression of bad ideas. Praying continuously for our daughters, sons, brothers, sisters and parents impacted by this tragic ideology.
I completely understand your situation. My daughter’s ex (the desisted girl) accused my daughter of sexual assault while at school. We had to deal with the school and the police. The school, being mandatory reporters, had to involve local police. Police investigated, found no crime. But of course the social damage at school was done.
The school said they have to regularly meet with kids to say “flirting is not sexual assault”. It’s such a bizarre world.
I know she's just a kid getting misled by bad actors, but I feel even worse for that boy
He seemed like such a nice kid, and we saw some texts from him how he loved her curly hair... I was so happy for her and felt like maybe she could have normalcy. We felt terrible for him at the time but now when I think of him I'm so relieved for him...
I too have had this, first it was a lesbian, then both girls announced they’re men and became a gay male couple?more recently she kissed a boy, the boy states he’s gay. In my eyes that’s heterosexual attraction, but no she’s doubling down with chest binding and can’t understand why he doesn’t want a relationship with her. It’s such a mess.
Ugh the binding!! We went through a period of that. Luckily (I guess) my daughter did develop costochondritis and that pain made her realize the harm she was causing. It took 3 months for the pain to subside. She just wears sports bras now. And I have been happy to see her just wearing tshirts at night. I think it’s a sign she’s becoming more comfortable with her female form.