This is my story. I am a professional woman and I dedicated my life to the study and practice of medicine. For 25 years I practiced general psychiatry. I gave birth late in life. I had two children; a son and a daughter. My son and firstborn died suddenly when he was only five years old from a tragic accident. My daughter was only two years old at the time. At that tender age, she experienced a significant difference in affect and behavior in both of her grieving parents, but especially in her mother, who had to return to work and had been her stay-at-home caregiving mother until that point.
So if I'm reading correctly, while your daughter was underage, you willfully kickstarted her off on this journey by allowing her to take hormone blockers and furthered the indoctrination by allowing her to see a "gender specialist?"
Then you solely relied on someone else to inform you of the medication they put your daughter on instead of doing your own research on what she was taking and the implications. Then you express disdain by the gyno wanting to wash her hands from any responsibility of your child while failing to admit where the sole responsibility really lies.
You facilitated, financed, and supported this entire ordeal, and now you're feeling a certain type of way at the results? And you managed to do all of this while being a doctor? Please forgive me, but I'm having difficulty understanding who and what you're really mad at.
Maybe you should take an L on whatever it is you're upset about and just be supportive and empathetic towards your daughter based on what couldn't've been done (particularly at her age) without your help.
Hi, There has been an over reliance on "experts" who one might be tempted to call quacks only it's much worse. The education, medical, and government establishments have all caved to the cult of Gender Ideology. It must be a form of mass hysteria (MPI/MSI). Perhaps as an MD she could denounce all of this now on a medical forum.
So much respect for you and your mother's strength in the face of such outrageous suffering, one mother to another. If there is anyway you think you could find some solace in helping other parents and children caught in this vile cult, using your unique skills and experiences to set up a gender-counselling clinic or even a podcast to provide a much needed alternative to the knee-jerk affirmation and medicalisation response, you could be a real saving grace in our cruel, corrupt and otherwise graceless times. All the very best wishes to you that your daughter comes back to you soon.
It works for them because they want to be "lesbians" in female spaces. They are aggressive straight men with a fetish. If only they'd leave the rest of us alone.
I did wonder about that, on second thoughts. I don't live in the States but I am well aware who is running the show there, here (NZ) and everywhere. I was wrong to suggest this.
Every time I hear stories like this -- and I hear them often -- it strikes me, the extent to which this madness is happening because every institution has simultaneously bought in to it. Every institution -- the schools, the health clinics, the mental health providers, the media, and of course the peer groups themselves. Often the families are the biggest cheerleaders of all, "celebrating" this health-destroying denial of biology.
We've lost the message "You can be whoever you are, as masculine or feminine as you wish, without changing your body in ways that compromise your health." Such a basic obvious message. But every institution is proclaiming this "alternative reality" instead, where it's considered healthy and normal --even "necessary" -- to take huge doses of hormones, sterilize yourself, and pretend to be a different sex.
With this madness culturally supported on all sides, and treated as if it's something "real" inside the kids, which requires these extreme "treatments," there is really no way for individual families to fight this with any success. Instead, the individual families, every time, are treated as the crazy outliers. Families who won't go along with it are considered the problem. Each family is thus isolated in this sea of cultural madness and (mostly) doomed to fail in their quest to save their kids from bad medical choices.
That's why if we fight this successfully at all, it needs to be on a higher level than at the family level (although in every heartbreaking situation like this one, you can't help but root for the family to resolve things happily). This needs to be addressed at the highest cultural level -- like the Satanic panic or the belief in multiple personality disorder, this needs to be understood to be a mass sociogenic illness or a culture-bound syndrome.
We need to spread the message that what we're seeing is not "real" in the sense of being "universal" -- teenage girls in every time and place throughout history did not consider themselves gay men and take hormones. That's just us. It's something our culture has created. And it's very maladaptive.
Sometimes I think our institutions won't be shaken out of their cozy cocoons of denial until the lawsuits come rolling in.
Also, Diana E.'s involvement in the Satanic Ritual craze must be publicized by someone who does not have an ROGD daughter. It seems like a no-brainer to get the word out on that one.
I've seen it mentioned a few times in the past -- it's not a secret -- but I don't understand why she has a job at all. It's like she's made of Teflon. How horribly wrong can you be, more than once, and still have a prestigious job caring for kids' mental health?
I agree that this needs to be fought at the highest level. Some of us mother's and fathers are fighting tooth and nail for our daughters (and in some cases sons) but we are treated like the pariahs and are undermined at every turn by "educators", etc.. This is indeed something our culture has created. And it's maladaptive in the extreme. I agree about lawsuits being what will take this down. We also need to fight it on the National and State government levels.
Progressive/liberal politicians seem to be all in with the cult. Conservative politicians seem to either mostly not care about the issue or else only want to make religious exemptions for it.
The parents are all over the board politically I think. Labeling it a "conservative" concern somehow writes it off as caveman like. "The RELIGIOUS" don't like the alphabet thing. This is ironic because Trans is a belief system/religious cult IMO. People who already have a religion might have some built in immunity to the Cult of the moment (which teaches no forgiveness).
Then, in the next breath feminists are TERFs if they don't buy into the ideology.
It does seem to affect families that are pretty educated/comfortably off - like anorexia did.
"Although sociogenic illnesses typically include physical symptoms—not just beliefs—some parallels with the current explosion in trans identification among teens and young adults are undeniable" My observation is that trans identification occurring in schools does include physical symptoms. My daughter started holding her face in the weirdest frozen sort of way which I think in some way mirrored her odd boyfriend at the time (she's straight and thought she was a gay male at the time) and she started holding her body in a gay male way. The girl down the street appeared to mimic straight men (though she must have been an anorexic 70 pound short thing). I thought my daughter's facial expressions where intentional but now as they have mostly melted away I don't think they were. They return from time to time but if you get her engaged in anything or just start talking about something they disappear.
I thought it was so silly but not even the biology teacher would laugh at the idea that my daughter might be a gay boy. They all affirmed which had a terrible impact on her not the least of which was to make her loving parents the bad guys.
That's what is so crazy making. The biology teacher probably (hopefully?) knew better, but everyone's afraid to speak to be "the bad guys" -- of course, if you're a loving parent, you have to risk being the bad guy because your child's well-being is more important than anything someone might think about you. At the same time, it's really hard when the entire culture has shifted to view basic biology as crazy and bigoted.
And, what is a poor girl to think at a time when she is separating out from parents - and teachers are respected? I think the problem starts with peers but the adults in the room are not adults.
It's a problem. It's not a surprise that the kids believe whatever their entire peer group, media, schools, doctors, mental health community is telling them...versus what a parent might be saying.
Right. And, it comes at the age when girls are differentiating from the mother. Before this she was soooooo close to me and even shared my mannerisms. People would remark on it. Then the bomb drops.
Yes, he's a very educated guy teaching at a private high school. It's very stressful for a parent to be hit with anti-reality on all fronts - especially if you had no idea the world had been turned upside down. I still don't think many people understand how far this has gone.
You know what bugs me? When this thing all goes bad, the cheerleaders, including the gynecologist and psychiatrist in this story, will wash their hands of the whole thing. We parents will be the ones nursing our wounded kids back to health.
I'm sorry if I sound like a broken record, but my message is DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT. When the time comes, confront the cheerleaders. Expose them. They are not your friends. They never were. They are the enemy. Treat them like a defeated enemy. Leave no doubt as to who the guilty party was. Careers need to end. Institutions need to close. Reputations need to be destroyed. Let justice reign.
Couldn’t agree more. Write letter after letter putting these people on notice. Document everything. No plausible deniability for any of them. When this house of cards falls apart, every single one of them should be left with nothing to their name but shame.
Yes, I am aware of girls on "T" who think they are in gay male relationships. They have no self-awareness because they are young and our society does not look out for the young. Also, they have been brought to that point through baby steps - each one nudging the girl along until she is in a crazy spot. It isn't presented all at once. This is in the nature of cults and grooming.
They don't know better. Many kids at that age don't. If they had some pushback, someone saying, many someones, looks like there are lots of reasons you could feel like this, and a medical profession not so eager to collude in their self-destruction (some likely Munchausen doctors as one great essay here noted)
they'd have a larger clearer way back ready to catch them. And more kids would be greeted with the appropriate amount of skepticism, that their interpretation of their feelings required this intervention. Oh and don't forget the social status of the enablers and the cold hard cash from the lifelong monthly hormones. Plus all the $$for treating the side effects, though the fact they seem likely to die young must be a disappointment to those milking their insurance companies for (not!) necessary care.
So if I'm reading correctly, while your daughter was underage, you willfully kickstarted her off on this journey by allowing her to take hormone blockers and furthered the indoctrination by allowing her to see a "gender specialist?"
Then you solely relied on someone else to inform you of the medication they put your daughter on instead of doing your own research on what she was taking and the implications. Then you express disdain by the gyno wanting to wash her hands from any responsibility of your child while failing to admit where the sole responsibility really lies.
You facilitated, financed, and supported this entire ordeal, and now you're feeling a certain type of way at the results? And you managed to do all of this while being a doctor? Please forgive me, but I'm having difficulty understanding who and what you're really mad at.
Maybe you should take an L on whatever it is you're upset about and just be supportive and empathetic towards your daughter based on what couldn't've been done (particularly at her age) without your help.
Hi, There has been an over reliance on "experts" who one might be tempted to call quacks only it's much worse. The education, medical, and government establishments have all caved to the cult of Gender Ideology. It must be a form of mass hysteria (MPI/MSI). Perhaps as an MD she could denounce all of this now on a medical forum.
So much respect for you and your mother's strength in the face of such outrageous suffering, one mother to another. If there is anyway you think you could find some solace in helping other parents and children caught in this vile cult, using your unique skills and experiences to set up a gender-counselling clinic or even a podcast to provide a much needed alternative to the knee-jerk affirmation and medicalisation response, you could be a real saving grace in our cruel, corrupt and otherwise graceless times. All the very best wishes to you that your daughter comes back to you soon.
Are there states where she would not be in trouble with the law for running such a clinic?
The 50 something male AGP activists would yell "conversion therapy" but they are the ones converting the children to a belief system.
It works for them because they want to be "lesbians" in female spaces. They are aggressive straight men with a fetish. If only they'd leave the rest of us alone.
I did wonder about that, on second thoughts. I don't live in the States but I am well aware who is running the show there, here (NZ) and everywhere. I was wrong to suggest this.
Oh, I don't think you were wrong. We need to get to a point where we can have such a clinic - with some sane laws.
Every time I hear stories like this -- and I hear them often -- it strikes me, the extent to which this madness is happening because every institution has simultaneously bought in to it. Every institution -- the schools, the health clinics, the mental health providers, the media, and of course the peer groups themselves. Often the families are the biggest cheerleaders of all, "celebrating" this health-destroying denial of biology.
We've lost the message "You can be whoever you are, as masculine or feminine as you wish, without changing your body in ways that compromise your health." Such a basic obvious message. But every institution is proclaiming this "alternative reality" instead, where it's considered healthy and normal --even "necessary" -- to take huge doses of hormones, sterilize yourself, and pretend to be a different sex.
With this madness culturally supported on all sides, and treated as if it's something "real" inside the kids, which requires these extreme "treatments," there is really no way for individual families to fight this with any success. Instead, the individual families, every time, are treated as the crazy outliers. Families who won't go along with it are considered the problem. Each family is thus isolated in this sea of cultural madness and (mostly) doomed to fail in their quest to save their kids from bad medical choices.
That's why if we fight this successfully at all, it needs to be on a higher level than at the family level (although in every heartbreaking situation like this one, you can't help but root for the family to resolve things happily). This needs to be addressed at the highest cultural level -- like the Satanic panic or the belief in multiple personality disorder, this needs to be understood to be a mass sociogenic illness or a culture-bound syndrome.
We need to spread the message that what we're seeing is not "real" in the sense of being "universal" -- teenage girls in every time and place throughout history did not consider themselves gay men and take hormones. That's just us. It's something our culture has created. And it's very maladaptive.
Sometimes I think our institutions won't be shaken out of their cozy cocoons of denial until the lawsuits come rolling in.
Also, Diana E.'s involvement in the Satanic Ritual craze must be publicized by someone who does not have an ROGD daughter. It seems like a no-brainer to get the word out on that one.
I've seen it mentioned a few times in the past -- it's not a secret -- but I don't understand why she has a job at all. It's like she's made of Teflon. How horribly wrong can you be, more than once, and still have a prestigious job caring for kids' mental health?
It gets mentioned in the circles we are reading but it's not all over a major newspaper. But then, none of this is.
I agree that this needs to be fought at the highest level. Some of us mother's and fathers are fighting tooth and nail for our daughters (and in some cases sons) but we are treated like the pariahs and are undermined at every turn by "educators", etc.. This is indeed something our culture has created. And it's maladaptive in the extreme. I agree about lawsuits being what will take this down. We also need to fight it on the National and State government levels.
I agree, and of course then it gets cast as a conservative thing, even though a lot of the parents are liberal or very liberal.
Progressive/liberal politicians seem to be all in with the cult. Conservative politicians seem to either mostly not care about the issue or else only want to make religious exemptions for it.
The parents are all over the board politically I think. Labeling it a "conservative" concern somehow writes it off as caveman like. "The RELIGIOUS" don't like the alphabet thing. This is ironic because Trans is a belief system/religious cult IMO. People who already have a religion might have some built in immunity to the Cult of the moment (which teaches no forgiveness).
Then, in the next breath feminists are TERFs if they don't buy into the ideology.
It does seem to affect families that are pretty educated/comfortably off - like anorexia did.
I looked at https://bprice.substack.com/p/tiktok-tics-and-mass-sociogenic-illness
"Although sociogenic illnesses typically include physical symptoms—not just beliefs—some parallels with the current explosion in trans identification among teens and young adults are undeniable" My observation is that trans identification occurring in schools does include physical symptoms. My daughter started holding her face in the weirdest frozen sort of way which I think in some way mirrored her odd boyfriend at the time (she's straight and thought she was a gay male at the time) and she started holding her body in a gay male way. The girl down the street appeared to mimic straight men (though she must have been an anorexic 70 pound short thing). I thought my daughter's facial expressions where intentional but now as they have mostly melted away I don't think they were. They return from time to time but if you get her engaged in anything or just start talking about something they disappear.
I'm not surprised to hear that some kids have physical and not just emotional manifestations of this.
I thought it was so silly but not even the biology teacher would laugh at the idea that my daughter might be a gay boy. They all affirmed which had a terrible impact on her not the least of which was to make her loving parents the bad guys.
That's what is so crazy making. The biology teacher probably (hopefully?) knew better, but everyone's afraid to speak to be "the bad guys" -- of course, if you're a loving parent, you have to risk being the bad guy because your child's well-being is more important than anything someone might think about you. At the same time, it's really hard when the entire culture has shifted to view basic biology as crazy and bigoted.
And, what is a poor girl to think at a time when she is separating out from parents - and teachers are respected? I think the problem starts with peers but the adults in the room are not adults.
It's a problem. It's not a surprise that the kids believe whatever their entire peer group, media, schools, doctors, mental health community is telling them...versus what a parent might be saying.
Right. And, it comes at the age when girls are differentiating from the mother. Before this she was soooooo close to me and even shared my mannerisms. People would remark on it. Then the bomb drops.
Yes, he's a very educated guy teaching at a private high school. It's very stressful for a parent to be hit with anti-reality on all fronts - especially if you had no idea the world had been turned upside down. I still don't think many people understand how far this has gone.
You know what bugs me? When this thing all goes bad, the cheerleaders, including the gynecologist and psychiatrist in this story, will wash their hands of the whole thing. We parents will be the ones nursing our wounded kids back to health.
I'm sorry if I sound like a broken record, but my message is DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT. When the time comes, confront the cheerleaders. Expose them. They are not your friends. They never were. They are the enemy. Treat them like a defeated enemy. Leave no doubt as to who the guilty party was. Careers need to end. Institutions need to close. Reputations need to be destroyed. Let justice reign.
Couldn’t agree more. Write letter after letter putting these people on notice. Document everything. No plausible deniability for any of them. When this house of cards falls apart, every single one of them should be left with nothing to their name but shame.
Yes, I am aware of girls on "T" who think they are in gay male relationships. They have no self-awareness because they are young and our society does not look out for the young. Also, they have been brought to that point through baby steps - each one nudging the girl along until she is in a crazy spot. It isn't presented all at once. This is in the nature of cults and grooming.
They don't know better. Many kids at that age don't. If they had some pushback, someone saying, many someones, looks like there are lots of reasons you could feel like this, and a medical profession not so eager to collude in their self-destruction (some likely Munchausen doctors as one great essay here noted)
they'd have a larger clearer way back ready to catch them. And more kids would be greeted with the appropriate amount of skepticism, that their interpretation of their feelings required this intervention. Oh and don't forget the social status of the enablers and the cold hard cash from the lifelong monthly hormones. Plus all the $$for treating the side effects, though the fact they seem likely to die young must be a disappointment to those milking their insurance companies for (not!) necessary care.
And, let's not forget all the grifter administrators and speakers hired by schools to push this stuff in the name of DIE.